Terry Racism Trial | Pleads Not Guilty | Loses England captaincy | Fabio disagrees

Inigo Montoya · 24th October 2011, 12:48

First Evra-Suarez now we have Terry-Ferdinand as well.While over in Spain it's been reported that Fabregas and Kanoute have been involved in the same.

WTF is going on?

Brwned · 24th October 2011, 12:52

The media like creating a shit-storm. Kanoute doesn't want to do anything about it, there's likely nothing in the Terry story...neither were claimed by either player, were they? It was just spread by gossip and the media picked it up.

BaldwinLegend · 24th October 2011, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Brwned

The media like creating a shit-storm. Kanoute doesn't want to do anything about it, there's likely nothing in the Terry story...neither were claimed by either player, were they? It was just spread by gossip and the media picked it up.

Well if Terry's right, Anton did claim during the match he'd heard it.

Still don't think it's quite over as Anton and the QPR board are still to meet apparently to decide whether to take it further.

Randall Flagg · 24th October 2011, 12:56

This one is quite interesting. Because Tery and Rio are not meant to be mates at all.

But from the camera footage Ive seen you really cannot make it out.

Neo_Mufc · 24th October 2011, 12:59

The Terry ones iffy because you can see him call him a fuckin knobhead but the supposed racist comment just before that isn't quite clear as some say it is.

Mockney · 24th October 2011, 13:39

Fuckin knobhead is very offensive to people with knobs on their heads.

girish · 24th October 2011, 13:58

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Originally Posted by Mockney

Fuckin knobhead is very offensive to people with knobs on their heads.

you tweeting that eh?

Badunk · 24th October 2011, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Mockney

Fuckin knobhead is very offensive to people with knobs on their heads.

Summerbee is taking legal advice.

RK · 24th October 2011, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Neo_Mufc

The Terry ones iffy because you can see him call him a fuckin knobhead but the supposed racist comment just before that isn't quite clear as some say it is.

Terry's admitted to saying the racist terms, but claims he said it in the context of denying that he said them. Hmm

RonaldoVII · 24th October 2011, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Badunk

Summerbee is taking legal advice.

marchi-91 · 24th October 2011, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Mockney

Fuckin knobhead is very offensive to people with knobs on their heads.

Doesn't count when you are one. It's like when pop culture alludes to the situation where African Americans call each other the N word.

did I get out of that without being racist?

kouroux · 24th October 2011, 16:48

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Originally Posted by marchi-91

Doesn't count when you are one. It's like when pop culture alludes to the situation where African Americans call each other the N word.

did I get out of that without being racist?

I'm black myself and I think there is a huge amount of hypocrisy among us.Accepting to be called a "n*****" by people of the same color and not by others is really hypocritical to keep it polite.This is an another entirely different debate.

Mockney · 24th October 2011, 17:02

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Originally Posted by RK

Terry's admitted to saying the racist terms, but claims he said it in the context of denying that he said them. Hmm

What?.....Like "I didn't call you a black cunt you black cunt?"

Makki · 24th October 2011, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Mockney

What?.....Like "I didn't call you a black cunt you black cunt?"

"I didn't call you a black cunt... fucking knobhead!"

I'm expecting at least a two game ban for using abusive language.

7even · 24th October 2011, 17:08

John Terry! Is there more to say?

Kraftwerker · 25th October 2011, 00:02

Terry's a bit fucked I think.

He's admitted to using the term black cunt, but is trying to wriggle out of it with some lame excuse about context.

If he genuinely believed Anton thought he's called him that, why would he repeat it?

Why not just say 'I didn't call you that'.

Drifter · 25th October 2011, 09:11

Not the first time Terry as been accused of racism.No smoke without fire and all that.

Anton Ferdinand wants FA to probe John Terry racism claims - Premier League, Football - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Mockney · 25th October 2011, 15:37

The Daily Heil strikes again..

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So, Mr Evra and Mr Ferdinand, I know you feel insulted. But perhaps in this case you could just put up with it and get on with the game.

Crustanoid · 25th October 2011, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Not the first time Terry as been accused of racism.No smoke without fire and all that.

Anton Ferdinand wants FA to probe John Terry racism claims - Premier League, Football - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Surprised nobody remembers the Ledley King incident. Big Man called him a lippy black c*** and all the black players (Spurs and Chelsea) went mental. Terry got sent off and then had a mystery 'injury' for two months. Conspiracy theorists said he had had an 8 match ban which was kept quiet because he was England captain. Something similar will probably happen again

MacMUFC · 25th October 2011, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Mockney

The Daily Heil strikes again..

Thats shocking to be fair.

Interval Level · 25th October 2011, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Mockney

The Daily Heil strikes again..

Ugh! Thats terrible.

So what happens to the children watching their idol swear on race and all that now?

duffer · 25th October 2011, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

Surprised nobody remembers the Ledley King incident. Big Man called him a lippy black c*** and all the black players (Spurs and Chelsea) went mental. Terry got sent off and then had a mystery 'injury' for two months. Conspiracy theorists said he had had an 8 match ban which was kept quiet because he was England captain. Something similar will probably happen again

Nobody remembers it because it didn't happen. It was only speculation on a few websites. No players involved or newspapers reported that it actually happened.

If you think the newspapers, TV stations and players involved covered it up because he was England captain then you really need to get a looser tin hat.

Interval Level · 25th October 2011, 18:51

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Originally Posted by duffer

Nobody remembers it because it didn't happen. It was only speculation on a few websites. No players involved or newspapers reported that it actually happened.

If you think the newspapers, TV stations and players involved covered it up because he was England captain then you really need to get a looser tin hat.

Loser

ArmchairCritic · 25th October 2011, 18:54

How come JT hasn't come out and said what he said that was 'mistakenly' construed as racial abuse by Anton Ferdinand.

duffer · 25th October 2011, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Interval Level

Loser

SteveJ · 25th October 2011, 18:57

I think you're a looser if you think we need loser hats, lolz.

Mockney · 25th October 2011, 19:13

?

ArmchairCritic · 25th October 2011, 19:58

A complaint has been made to the FA by Anton Ferdinand and QPR.

QPR | News | Latest | Latest | CLUB STATEMENT

antihenry · 25th October 2011, 22:25

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

A complaint has been made to the FA by Anton Ferdinand and QPR.

QPR | News | Latest | Latest | CLUB STATEMENT

"The Club is aware of an alleged racist incident in Sunday's Barclays Premier League fixture between QPR and Chelsea at Loftus Road.

The Football Association are now expected to conduct enquiries into the alleged incident.

QPR Chairman, Tony Fernandes, commented: "Queens Park Rangers Football Club does not condone racism in any way, shape or form.

"As a Club, we will provide our players with our unequivocal support when alleged incidents like this occur.

"The Club has, and will continue to support Kick It Out's One Game, One Community initiative, football's equality and inclusion campaign.

"However, we are keen to draw a line under this alleged incident and focus on our forthcoming fixtures, starting with Sunday's London derby at Spurs."

The Club will be making no further comment at this stage"

Where's the complaint?

Rams · 25th October 2011, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

First Evra-Suarez now we have Terry-Ferdinand as well.While over in Spain it's been reported that Fabregas and Kanoute have been involved in the same.

WTF is going on?

Shuddup paella face.

BaldwinLegend · 25th October 2011, 22:31

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Where's the complaint?

They've asked the FA to investigate - in so doing, they've kind of implied that Ferdinand doesn't agree with Terry's version of events. If he did, he would surely have said something by now and put this all to rest.

Crustanoid · 25th October 2011, 23:43

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Cyberspace plays judge and jury as John Terry 'racism' case escalates
Anton Ferdinand's decision neither to exonerate nor accuse John Terry of racism opens up a moral maze for the FA and police

John Terry was not exonerated. Nor was he accused. All football knew for sure after a tense day of trying to untangle events at Loftus Road on Sunday was that two of the Premier League's most famous names are under a toxic cloud that has shifted attention away from racism in football grounds to the possibility of it on the pitch.

Liverpool's Luis Suárez has been accused by Patrice Evra of Manchester United of calling him a "nigger" several times in last week's north-west derby at Anfield: an allegation the Football Association is already investigating. The Terry-Anton Ferdinand case is another type. Ferdinand was offered the chance to agree with Terry's account of their verbal clash at the weekend and chose not to, neither accusing the England captain of racism nor supporting Chelsea's argument that it was all a "misunderstanding" and is now water under the (Stamford) Bridge.

By passing the case on to the FA, Queens Park Rangers kept this potentially incendiary incident very much alive. The impetus comes from them, not Ferdinand, who was claimed by some close to the case to have been oblivious to Terry's alleged remarks until the Chelsea captain approached him to discuss it in the tunnel after the match.

The suggestion here is that Ferdinand's concern developed only after he heard about it on the radio and saw the fuss on social media sites.

Anomalies jump out from both sides. Terry's defence is that he was telling Ferdinand he had not used a racist term against him. But if Ferdinand had not made that allegation in the first place (and only learned of it after the match), how could Terry have been responding to a charge that Ferdinand could not have verbalised?

Rio Ferdinand's younger brother declined to take the lead after Tuesday's inquest at the QPR training ground. To the outsider this suggests either that he is unsure of his ground or that he did not want to associate himself directly with such a serious accusation against Rio Ferdinand's partner in the centre of England's defence. With Anton's agreement, presumably, the affair was passed to a second higher authority. The Metropolitan police had already become involved when a member of the public filed a complaint, based, probably, on recordings of the incident freely available on websites.

With this visual material flying around cyberspace, the blogosphere and Twitter, Terry's defence was that Ashley Cole walking across the camera shot had obscured the first part of his remark to Ferdinand: the bit, Terry says, in which he shouts "I did not call you a …" at the QPR man. The footage is chilling, because the offending words are apparently so clear, but also disembodied, because Cole stops us seeing what Terry said before he used a profoundly nasty and potentially illegal phrase.

Where the Suárez and Terry cases converge is that witnesses would be needed for the allegations to have traction. In neither case could presumptions be made until the facts are known, assuming they can be.

Confronted by this horrible storm Chelsea went on the offensive. André Villas-Boas, their manager, said: "He [Terry] said to me the incident was a big misunderstanding. That's why he put his statement out straight away. I find it strange when people don't trust the words of a representative from your country.

"Anton was present in our dressing room. For us, it was end of story and it still is. It's just a misunderstanding and something blown out of all proportion. People who represent this country should have better and fuller support."

This last contention is perverse. The idea that an England captain should be absolved by right on the basis of his role in the national side as well as a complicated denial would not carry much weight in court. It is for the FA, and the police, not Villas-Boas, to decide if it was a misunderstanding.

Mention of Terry's role with England confirms the acute sensitivity of this episode. The captain's affair with the ex-partner of Wayne Bridge caused a diplomatic hoo-ha in the England camp and caused Terry to lose the armband. This is far more grave. Rio Ferdinand will take a keen interest in proceedings, as will England's other black players. In this context Terry is doubtless especially grateful for the support of Cole.

Another of Terry's problems is that Anton Ferdinand's position does not offer clarity. Chelsea could not make the charge evaporate, however hard Villas-Boas tried. Terry needed Ferdinand to announce that a racial epithet had not been used by England's leader, or at least that he accepted the intricate explanation offered by Terry.

Either he felt unable to do this, or was advised not to by QPR, which means that two of the top names in the Premier League (Suárez and Terry) are pursued by the gravest allegations, while the new media act immediately as judge and jury.

This is a template for how allegations will be played out from now on. Lawyers and the police trail in the wake of a new form of scrutiny that looks unstoppable as Terry mobilises to save his England career.

Although it's very much up in the air I can't see why Terry would jump in and say that unless he was hastily trying to cover it up. Moreover the video footage seems to indicate he's definitely saying 'black c***'

Drainy · 25th October 2011, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

Although it's very much up in the air I can't see why Terry would jump in and say that unless he was hastily trying to cover it up. Moreover the video footage seems to indicate he's definitely saying 'black c***'

If the FA report into the Evra Chelsea groundsman incident is anything to go by, the fact Cole is there and didn't report him is evidence that he's innocent since Cole hasn't said he's guilty.

gooDevil · 26th October 2011, 03:06

If I'm trying to convince someone I didn't use a racial slur, I'm not going to use the slur when claiming my defense. "I didn't say that!" would have been the thing to say.

Strangely, now we have Terry admitting that what was caught on camera was him saying a slur. It's basically been proven, so does he have to now 'prove' that he prefaced the term with 'I didn't call you a..." to get off?

antihenry · 26th October 2011, 04:08

Better question is: why Anton Ferdinand keeps his mouth shut? If Terry did say what many here already assumed he did, why not come forward and plead his case? If not, and it was a misunderstanding, come out and deny the implications. He neither accuses Terry nor defends him while the media is having a field day.

Kind of a cowardly behavior, if you ask me.

Drainy · 26th October 2011, 04:18

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Better question is: why Anton Ferdinand keeps his mouth shut? If Terry did say what many here already assumed he did, why not come forward and plead his case? If not, and it was a misunderstanding, come out and deny the implications. He neither accuses Terry nor defends him while the media is having a field day.

Kind of a cowardly behavior, if you ask me.

Perhaps he didn't hear him say the words, but the situation surrounding the event weren't what John Terry said. ie he never accused John Terry of saying something racist during the game.

It would be difficult to accuse someone of racism and then say you didnt hear it yourself, far easier to get the FA to investigate and put on record what the events leading up to the incident were, independent of a personal complaint. Especially since Terry has admitted using the words pretty much, its the context that would fuck him.

dicko · 26th October 2011, 05:19

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Better question is: why Anton Ferdinand keeps his mouth shut? If Terry did say what many here already assumed he did, why not come forward and plead his case? If not, and it was a misunderstanding, come out and deny the implications. He neither accuses Terry nor defends him while the media is having a field day.

Kind of a cowardly behavior, if you ask me.

Perhaps Anton Ferdinand is leaving his comments to the investigating authorities rather than trial by media?

CantonasWife · 26th October 2011, 08:24

If there was ever any doubt, here's a very telling video of the incident.

What John Terry said to Anton Ferdinand - video | Football | guardian.co.uk

Drifter · 26th October 2011, 08:36

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Originally Posted by CantonasWife

If there was ever any doubt, here's a very telling video of the incident.

What John Terry said to Anton Ferdinand - video | Football | guardian.co.uk

Why does that even need an investigation.It is so obvious what he's saying.

Wonder Pigeon · 26th October 2011, 09:18

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Originally Posted by Mockney

The Daily Heil strikes again..

ffs. They could start a whole counter to the Kick It Out campagn, called Get On With It You ***** *****.

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24th October 2011, 12:52	#2 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 32,796	The media like creating a shit-storm. Kanoute doesn't want to do anything about it, there's likely nothing in the Terry story...neither were claimed by either player, were they? It was just spread by gossip and the media picked it up.

24th October 2011, 12:56	#4 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,562	This one is quite interesting. Because Tery and Rio are not meant to be mates at all. But from the camera footage Ive seen you really cannot make it out.

24th October 2011, 12:59	#5 (permalink)
Neo_Mufc Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Matrix Posts: 4,811	The Terry ones iffy because you can see him call him a fuckin knobhead but the supposed racist comment just before that isn't quite clear as some say it is.

24th October 2011, 13:39	#6 (permalink)
Mockney Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangerang.net Posts: 23,807	Fuckin knobhead is very offensive to people with knobs on their heads.

24th October 2011, 17:08	#15 (permalink)
7even Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Where I belong Posts: 1,855	John Terry! Is there more to say?

25th October 2011, 00:02	#16 (permalink)
Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict Join Date: May 2008 Location: We can't stop here. This is bat country. Posts: 8,855	Terry's a bit fucked I think. He's admitted to using the term black cunt, but is trying to wriggle out of it with some lame excuse about context. If he genuinely believed Anton thought he's called him that, why would he repeat it? Why not just say 'I didn't call you that'.

25th October 2011, 09:11	#17 (permalink)
Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 29,372	Not the first time Terry as been accused of racism.No smoke without fire and all that. Anton Ferdinand wants FA to probe John Terry racism claims - Premier League, Football - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

25th October 2011, 18:54	#24 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 4,685	How come JT hasn't come out and said what he said that was 'mistakenly' construed as racial abuse by Anton Ferdinand.

25th October 2011, 18:57	#26 (permalink)
SteveJ Nicest fella on the Caf and Newbie of the Year 2011 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Occupation: Spacegoat Posts: 11,042	I think you're a looser if you think we need loser hats, lolz.

25th October 2011, 19:13	#27 (permalink)
Mockney Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangerang.net Posts: 23,807	?

25th October 2011, 19:58	#28 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 4,685	A complaint has been made to the FA by Anton Ferdinand and QPR. QPR \| News \| Latest \| Latest \| CLUB STATEMENT

26th October 2011, 03:06	#34 (permalink)
gooDevil First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future, Evra is Forevra. Posts: 7,803	If I'm trying to convince someone I didn't use a racial slur, I'm not going to use the slur when claiming my defense. "I didn't say that!" would have been the thing to say. Strangely, now we have Terry admitting that what was caught on camera was him saying a slur. It's basically been proven, so does he have to now 'prove' that he prefaced the term with 'I didn't call you a..." to get off?

26th October 2011, 04:08	#35 (permalink)
antihenry Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Blue Heaven Posts: 3,676	Better question is: why Anton Ferdinand keeps his mouth shut? If Terry did say what many here already assumed he did, why not come forward and plead his case? If not, and it was a misunderstanding, come out and deny the implications. He neither accuses Terry nor defends him while the media is having a field day. Kind of a cowardly behavior, if you ask me.

26th October 2011, 08:24	#38 (permalink)
CantonasWife Queen B Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: What? Fucking what!? Posts: 3,809	If there was ever any doubt, here's a very telling video of the incident. What John Terry said to Anton Ferdinand - video \| Football \| guardian.co.uk