Terry Racism Trial | Pleads Not Guilty | Loses England captaincy | Fabio disagrees

Kraftwerker

Yea, what a coward not going to the media. Really, Anton should hand his head in shame over this whole incident.

Do you work for the Daily Mail by any chance?

Talking Vulture

The bottom line is this - Terry should never have said "I didn't call you a black cunt"

He';s a fucking disgusting cunt of a man. His whole family is rotten to the core.

Zarlak

Surely when denying something or saying the words 'I didn't' the impulsive thing to do is to shake your head? He seemed to be laughing in that video as he said it.

noodlehair

Or maybe he simply doesn't give a fuck about John Terry?

antihenry

Then apparently he's the only one.

BaldwinLegend

Isn't it kind of obvious what Anton thinks by the fact that after a day of talks with him, QPR asked the FA to investigate it?

Brophs

Yes. Clearly there's a conspiracy at work here. How many other players would be investigated if they were caught saying "You black cunt. Fucking knobhead" on camera and then admitting they'd said the words? Oh, that's right, all of them.

RedKaos

Is that picture on the left fecking real? It just looks like some poor photoshop of someone superimposing Big Man's face on some bint.

Talking Vulture

It's real. Pre-op tranny I believe.

antihenry

Maybe his thinking is affected by what his brother thinks. I'm sure Rio is still sore about losing the England captaincy.

duffer

I definately would.

noodlehair

Doubt it.

Terry's been caught making racist remarks by a television camera. People give a fuck about that because it's obviously something that needs addressing. I couldn't give a fuck about John Terry but if someone's caught making a racist comment I do give a fuck about it being looked into.

I'm not sure why the onus should fall on Anton Ferdinand to come out and publicly absolve Terry of any blame? He's perfectly entitled to keep his version of events known only to the people investigating the matter.

Even if he does want to speak out, it's likely there's a bunch of FA people working behind the scenes telling him to hold fire either way while they try and clean up Terry's image...again.

afrocentricity

Not sure if serious....

Pogue Mahone

Maybe it is.

Maybe that's why Anton is deliberately keeping a low profile? Because Rio doesn't want his brother coming out and in public and telling the world what a racist cunt his fellow English international is, seeing as they'll have to play in the same team at some point in the future?

See? We can all indulge in completely random speculation...

Talking Vulture

Reading the rest of antihenry's posts in this thread, I think he's deadly serious.

Commadus

You can't read anything into Anton silence.

The only facts we have is that Terry confirmed he made the racist comment.

We don't know whether Anton heard them.

We don't know whether Cole heard them.

dmode

If nowadays it has become "normal" for football players to fake or dive... I don't find it strange they're finding other ways of cheating to win... either there is a determination from the required authorities to stop it once and for all or we all just get along with it...

There is a difference between:

(1) being racists and not showing it, or
(2) intentionally saying racist words just to destabilise your opponent

What in 2011 does being racist really mean? There's diversity everywhere! It won't be and will never be clear cut for the authorities

antihenry

When did he do that?

Did it occur to you that perhaps the reason he said "I didn't say ...." is because it was brought to his attention that the accusations come from a certain tv clip where it may look like he says what his accusers say he does? It doesn't prove shit. Unless of course you're already convinced and you aren't interested in what really happened, but then again, it doesn't take much to start John Terry hate thread in this forum. Suddenly everyone is an expert in lip reading and a big anti-racism campaigner.

Maybe he did say it, maybe he didn't, I don't know. But I'm sure if it were a MU player, he'd be given a full support and a benefit of the doubt before the investigation is over.

Brophs

Anton Ferdinand to meet QPR chiefs following John Terry racism allegations - Telegraph

If you're defending your boy JT then you're defending him on the basis of his own position, which is that he said what he was seen to be saying but that the context wasn't shown by the video. As opposed to this silly "Infamy, infamy, they all have it in for me" line.

Pogue Mahone

A position which is ludicrously far-fetched.

"I didn't call him a black c*nt, I was asking him if he thought I'd called him a black c*nt".

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Could happen to anyone. I'm sure we've all been there. Really awkward when it happens at a dinner party, believe me.

Lance Uppercut

I believe he means Ferdinand said "did you call me a black cunt??"

To which Terry replied, "black cunt???? Fucking nobhead."

The inference being that he would never dream of calling anyone a black cunt.

Pogue Mahone

Of course it's no coincidence that this would be the only possible way you could defend yourself having been caught using those four words on camera.

Why would Anton Ferdinand suddenly say "did you call me a black c*nt?" out of the blue anyway?

All seems very implausible.

R_Kelly

If someone accused you of using a racial slur towards them, would you really repeat the slur in your response? I mean, seriously?

"don't call me a black cnut"
"I didn't call you a black cnut"

Seems much more likely you'd just say "I didn't, you dick*" .

*dick can be replaced with a non racist insult of your choice

Commadus

As far as what's been reported Anton did not know of the comments until after the match so how could Terry respond to a question that he was never asked during the match.

Also if as you are suggesting that Anton asked Terry then you assume Terry said it in the first place. Or you are saying Anton misheard what Terry said but then wouldn't he then be unsure of what was said and thus ask what did you just say?

SteveJ

What's the betting that, if any of the recent claims are proven, UEFA and/or FIFA suddenly take an interest in 'English racism', after doing pitifully little about sporting racism in other countries? Much like they've suddenly taken an interest in the 'fairness' of football financing at a time when the top level of the British game is awash with money...

Lance Uppercut

Ask Terry. He says “I thought Anton was accusing me of using a racist slur against him."

Commadus

Also if as you are suggesting that Anton asked Terry then you assume Terry said it in the first place. Or you are saying Anton misheard what Terry said but then wouldn't he then be unsure of what was said and thus ask what did you just say? Rather than repeat the racist term.

Lance Uppercut

I didn't suggest anything.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Pogue Mahone

Terry could have called Paddy Kenny a "fat cnut", which Ferdinand misheard and said "did you call me a black cnut?"

All very unlikely and whoever is investigating it just needs to ask Ferdinand whether or not he did ask that specific question.

Brophs

Of all the things being said in here, that's the most likely, to be fair.

acrebo

With the general impression being that there was an altercation in the tunnel afterwards, there seems to be a general assumption that Ferdinand was only made aware of the alleged comments at this point. Why, then, Terry would be clarifying his statement on the pitch is anyone's guess.

Moreover, why exactly would Ferdinand be in Chelsea's dressing room if it were only to say "everything's fine"? In my opinion, if Terry were trying to make amends sharpish, he would approach Ferdinand in QPR's dressing room. The fact that Ferdinand was in Chelsea's means that he was either invited there, which seems very odd if it were to only say "I didn't call you that...", or he went there by his own steam to challenge Terry.

Even so. After the event I can quite easily imagine Ferdinand, when surrounded by Chelsea staff, to just say "yeah, whatever, don't worry about it". However, when it's then noticed publicly, he can't simply say "yeah, I think he called me it but I said it was okay...". What message would THAT send out to the rest of the black players in English football!?!.....

"ENGLAND CAPTAIN RACIALLY ABUSED ME, BUT I FORGIVE HMI AS I'M STILL HOPEFUL FOR A PLACE IN CAPELLO'S SQUAD"

Judge Red

I don't believe John Terry is racist in the classic sense and am in no doubt that some of his best friends are black, but I'm even more certain that he's the kind of person who would use that kind of ignorant language in the heat of the moment because that was the environment he was brought up in.

As someone who grew up in a similar 80s environment thinking that 'wogbox' was a perfectly acceptable nickname for a portable stereo system, I almost feel sorry for him being unable to grow up.

Commadus

Well Pogue and others do. Its straight forward. In your defence of JT if Anton asked for clarification would he have used the racist term? I very much doubt it.

Commadus

Jt Talks about contexr so what happened in the game just before his comments? Lets say he called Anton a Blind Cunt would the actions prior to this justify this comment?

MacMUFC

Not travelled to Goodison apparently, amid the allegations. Either cause of that, or because Louis Saha almost always tears him a new one. Strange how thats never highlighted by the media, but one good game against Vidic by Fernando Torres and all of a sudden he's Nemanja's 'tormentor in chief' ...but thats an entirely different matter.

Lance Uppercut

My "defence" of JT?

Were you dropped on your head?

RK

One things for certain, there's not enough time when Cole's in the way of the camera for Terry to be saying "I did not call you a …"

Commadus

You are the one with the comprehension problems so it's probably you. I'm just saying this doesn't look good for JT as it doesn't add up what he is saying but despicable as he is, he still deserves the presumption of innocent until proven guilty.

Hectic

It doesn't look like it, nor does the manner in which he's saying it even seem to fit in with the 'I did not call you a..' bit anyway. Of course it can't be proved, but it does look very much like he's just saying exactly what is being thought of, and his facial expression does look dodgy.

Lance Uppercut

Of course it doesn't add up. He is very likely lying through his teeth.