Terry Racism Trial | Pleads Not Guilty | Loses England captaincy | Fabio disagrees

onesaf · 5th February 2012, 21:56

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Originally Posted by cj4_elmo

Some reporters on twitter saying Capello has decided he doesn't agree with the FA's decision to strip the captaincy from John Terry.

Fabio Capello disagrees 'absolutely' with FA decision on John Terry | Football | The Guardian

Fabio Capello has expressed disapproval of the FA's decision to strip John Terry of the England captaincy. He told Italy's state broadcaster RAI on Sunday that he "absolutely" does not agree with the FA chairman David Bernstein's decision.

"I spoke with the chairman and I told him that I don't think someone can be punished until it becomes official," Capello said, adding that it is "going to be civil justice, not sports justice, to decide if John Terry committed that crime.

"I thought it fair that John Terry keeps the captain's armband."

Terry was removed as captain on Friday. His racial abuse trial will be held after the European Championship. He denies the allegation of racial abuse

Brophs · 5th February 2012, 21:56

Cappello has said on Italian radio that he doesn't agree with the decision

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"I completely disagree with the FA about the John Terry decision, I have told that to the chairman"

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"I considered and still consider Terry the England captain. I think we first should wait for the trial conclusion"

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'I spoke with the (FA) chairman and I told him that I don't think someone can be punished until it becomes official'

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'And I thought it fair that John Terry keeps the captain's armband.'

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The court will decide. It's going to be civil justice, not sports justice, to decide if John Terry committed that crime."

Sean_RedDevil · 5th February 2012, 23:34

I've heard Capello's comments about Terry have been taken out of context and he has never said something like "Terry is still my captain".

7even · 5th February 2012, 23:57

Capello should shut up and accept the boards decision. These comments just make it worse. Idiot!!

Sylar · 6th February 2012, 04:00

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Originally Posted by 7even

Capello should shut up and accept the boards decision. These comments just make it worse. Idiot!!

Theories saying that Capello is hoping to get fired, get out of this mess, get the compensation (instead of walking), etc.

Others saying he didnt say this at all.

Neutral · 6th February 2012, 04:04

Why should anyone be surprised by the comments Capello has supposedly made? If he thought the decision was correct, he would have done it himself...it was obvious he was against this right from the start, which is why the FA went over his head and made the decision.

Suppose Terry will appreciate the vote of confidence and loyalty, not sure about the FA and some of the other players though...

adexkola · 6th February 2012, 04:06

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Originally Posted by onesaf

Fabio Capello disagrees 'absolutely' with FA decision on John Terry | Football | The Guardian

Fabio Capello has expressed disapproval of the FA's decision to strip John Terry of the England captaincy. He told Italy's state broadcaster RAI on Sunday that he "absolutely" does not agree with the FA chairman David Bernstein's decision.

"I spoke with the chairman and I told him that I don't think someone can be punished until it becomes official," Capello said, adding that it is "going to be civil justice, not sports justice, to decide if John Terry committed that crime.

"I thought it fair that John Terry keeps the captain's armband."

Terry was removed as captain on Friday. His racial abuse trial will be held after the European Championship. He denies the allegation of racial abuse

If he said that, he's fucking right.

sammsky1 · 6th February 2012, 04:45

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Originally Posted by Brophs

I'd be delighted if they were dropped for the right reasons. No one wants to have that as part of the game.

I dont. I don't really care whether he is innocent or guilt. The fact is the man is a complete Grade A ****** and its about time the teflon faded away and he was banished. Just get rid, on whatever grounds. I'd say the same if he was a United player.

Drifter · 6th February 2012, 08:15

Suppose it's best to get our excuses in early why we crashed out of the Euro 2012.

7even · 6th February 2012, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Neutral

Why should anyone be surprised by the comments Capello has supposedly made? If he thought the decision was correct, he would have done it himself...it was obvious he was against this right from the start, which is why the FA went over his head and made the decision.

Suppose Terry will appreciate the vote of confidence and loyalty, not sure about the FA and some of the other players though...

Capello and many posters seems to don't understand what this is about. They refer to the line "you are innocent until proven guilty", what's exactly what Terry is before his case is on trail. And rightly so.

But this issue regarding who's captain or not has nothing to do with legal right or wrong. To be leading your country's national team is a commission of trust, same as to be a politician, member of a board or a legal guardian. You normally get those commissions because you are well trusted and the society see you as a person who can take responsibility and show good leadership. Simple.

As soon as you have lost that trust you have to step down, temporary or forever.

There is no middle ground regarding trust, either you have it or not. People with these commissions often voluntarily steps down If they have done something deeply immoral or are facing a trail. John Terry and Fabio Capello seems to don't understand this. The manager think it's about his trust and the player seems to don't understand anything about normal behavior.

The FA did the only thing they could do in a situation like this. Facing a trail, with clear evidence that you have used racial slurs, is a situation when you have to first clear your name before you can get your trust back.

It's because of all these reasons I think Capello is an idiot and lack common knowledge of basic moral and ethical rules. When Terry lacks common sense it's up to Capello to act. When that's not happened the FA have to step in.

Ray Peterson · 6th February 2012, 10:16

I can't believe anybody is surprised by the FA's actions. This is the governing body that ditched Rio before his missed drugs test hearing and almost had Neville staging a mutiny.

Personally, I agree with the decision, Imagine the embarrassment in the unlikely event of England winning the tournament and having Terry's mug lifting the trophy being seen all around the world. Then, a few weeks later he gets found guilty in court and it tarnishes the whole thing as the world's media report it as European Championship winning Captain found guilty.

noodlehair · 6th February 2012, 10:37

I don't understand what the problem is. In high profile jobs where you have a degree of public responsibility, you're often suspended on full pay pending any investigation into your character.

Terry's not even been suspended, he's just had a poxy armband taken away from him, for a team he doesn't deserve to play for based on either performance level or past behaviour anyway.

Being England captain is about being an ambassador to English football, not about leading the team, which if you're any kind of professional you should be doing whether you have an armband or not. No one in England sees Terry as an ambassador to English football, no one in England wants Terry as an ambassador to English football. He's a complete embarassment. He's also no longer good enough at football to be playing for England, and hasn't been for over two years.

and Capello's been a clueless tit from the get go. Why do people never listen to me until it's too late?

Guy Incognito · 6th February 2012, 10:37

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Originally Posted by 7even

Capello should shut up and accept the boards decision. These comments just make it worse. Idiot!!

It's all a mess frankly. I guess Capello feels the bottom line isn't with him yet I don't understand his logic to agree to withdraw Terry as captain only to then reinstate him a few months later. He could have started afresh but chose not to.

Stanley Road · 6th February 2012, 11:59

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

Why do people never listen to me

Hmm, tough one that

africanspur · 6th February 2012, 12:23

SteveJ · 12th February 2012, 00:02

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PJ · 12th February 2012, 00:03

It's a real shame he didn't involve the police, but have to respect his wishes.

JazzG · 12th February 2012, 00:12

Capello's own fault for even reinstated Terry as captain, I don't remember exactly what happened but didn't he just one day decide to strip Rio of it and give it back to Terry without even discussing with Rio? I remember Rio reading about it in the press first. So serves him right really and suppose he now knows how it feels! Was disgraceful how he reinstated Terry in the first place so kind of poetic justice in a way that Terry gets stripped of it again and Capello loses his job!

I do think though the FA should really of consulted him but ultimately they are completely right to take the armband off him, especially after the Suarez/Evra thing they can't go into a major tournament with those allegations hanging over him.

prateik · 12th February 2012, 04:12

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Originally Posted by africanspur

Assaulting the little black man. England's brave JT

gooDevil · 26th April 2012, 10:50

Anton Ferdinand has come out and said he won't be shaking Terry's hand this weekend, probably deserves to have it all brought up again, after delaying the trial so he couldn't get suspended this season.

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The Ferdinand camp have been determined not to do anything that could be deemed prejudicial to the trial, which is scheduled to begin on July 9, and there was concern that a handshake could potentially be used by Terry’s defence. Terry has consistently denied the allegation against him and, at a hearing at Westminster Magistrates Court in February, he entered a not guilty plea.

Ferdinand has informed QPR of his intention not to shake hands with Terry on Sunday and there will now be conversations between the rest of the squad, manager Mark Hughes and chief executive Phil Beard over how to handle the situation.

The pre-match handshake was cancelled completely when the two clubs met in the FA Cup in January.

The Premier League, however, intend to take a firm stance on the issue and remain adamant that the pre-match handshake should go ahead, even if Ferdinand does ignore Terry.

The Premier League are making it clear that they will not support any request for the customary pre-match handshake to be cancelled. It recognises that it is powerless to make individuals shake hands but believes that the initiative, which was introduced in 2007, should not be removed entirely.

The Premier League regard the pre-match handshake as a gesture of respect between players that relates simply to the ensuing 90 minutes of football. “It’s not a handshake that says everybody loves everybody else,” said Richard Scudamore, the Premier League chief executive. The danger, though, is that the pre-match handshake develops into some sort of farce if Terry is snubbed by other QPR players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ohn-Terry.html

SharkyMcShark · 26th April 2012, 11:02

Handshake Gate Mk IV

kps88 · 26th April 2012, 11:04

He's come out and said that he won't? Aww he's killed all the suspense. This also means Terry won't have that awkward "left hanging" moment.

iSparky · 26th April 2012, 11:31

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Originally Posted by africanspur

Pexbo · 26th April 2012, 12:11

It won't just be Anton, his team mates will support him 100% and snub Terry as well. I expect Terry will start himself on the bench in order to avoid the humiliation of having to walk past the whole team with his hand out and ignored. He'd have to at least offer his hand to them otherwise he'd be the one looking a twat.

antihenry · 26th April 2012, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Pexbo

It won't just be Anton, his team mates will support him 100% and snub Terry as well. I expect Terry will start himself on the bench in order to avoid the humiliation of having to walk past the whole team with his hand out and ignored. He'd have to at least offer his hand to them otherwise he'd be the one looking a twat.

Anton Ferdinand is a drama queen with an attention whore complex. Consulting with lawyers whether on not to shake Terry's hand, what a joke. Just be a man and act accordingly, stop acting like a victim.

I'm pretty confident Terry will start. Ivanovic is suspended, Luiz and Cahill are out injured. There's no chance in hell he would want to sit this one out, anyway.

Crustanoid · 26th April 2012, 12:47

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Originally Posted by antihenry

. Just be a man and act accordingly, stop acting like a victim.

Interesting take on a victim of racial abuse

crappycraperson · 26th April 2012, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

Interesting take on a victim of racial abuse

He has been taking lessons from Liverpool fans

gooDevil · 26th April 2012, 12:56

Well, just because the Telegraph say 'The Ferdinand camp' doesn't mean they have any idea what they're talking about. He's obviously consulted a lawyer being that he's bringing suit, the journo is likely as not just throwing that in about his reasoning because it sounds reasonable. If they knew they'd have a quote.

antihenry · 26th April 2012, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

Interesting take on a victim of racial abuse

It's not a fact that he was racially abused.

Wowi · 26th April 2012, 13:06

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Anton Ferdinand is a drama queen with an attention whore complex. Consulting with lawyers whether on not to shake Terry's hand, what a joke. Just be a man and act accordingly, stop acting like a victim.

Fucking hell

Crustanoid · 26th April 2012, 13:08

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Originally Posted by antihenry

It's not a fact that he was racially abused.

But the key thing is that he thinks he has.

If you'd thought you'd been abused racially would you welcome being told to 'be a man' and 'stop acting like a victim'?

Brophs · 26th April 2012, 13:18

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Anton Ferdinand is a drama queen with an attention whore complex. Consulting with lawyers whether on not to shake Terry's hand, what a joke. Just be a man and act accordingly, stop acting like a victim.

Well there you have it.

WR · 26th April 2012, 13:40

SSN breaking news, "Hughes to announce meeting about QPR players handshake with Terry"

How the feck is that breaking news? And where is the need to call a meeting over it and furthermore why would you publicly announce a meeting?

antihenry · 26th April 2012, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

But the key thing is that he thinks he has.

If you'd thought you'd been abused racially would you welcome being told to 'be a man' and 'stop acting like a victim'?

By all accounts, he didn't know what Terry said and the whole thing was squashed after the game when they talked it over.

Then some "member of the public" took upon himself to complain to the police about what he believed to be a racial incident, it turned into a media circus and Anton suddenly decided he's been wronged.

gooDevil · 26th April 2012, 13:44

Yep, that's just what happened.

kietotheworld · 26th April 2012, 13:54

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Originally Posted by WR

SSN breaking news, "Hughes to announce meeting about QPR players handshake with Terry"

How the feck is that breaking news? And where is the need to call a meeting over it and furthermore why would you publicly announce a meeting?

It's not been publicly announced, it's the famous "Sky Sources".

adexkola · 26th April 2012, 14:12

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Anton Ferdinand is a drama queen with an attention whore complex. Consulting with lawyers whether on not to shake Terry's hand, what a joke. Just be a man and act accordingly, stop acting like a victim.

I'm pretty confident Terry will start. Ivanovic is suspended, Luiz and Cahill are out injured. There's no chance in hell he would want to sit this one out, anyway.

Agree.

gooDevil · 26th April 2012, 14:14

Me too, Ivanovic is definitely suspended.

Mr Anderson · 26th April 2012, 14:17

Can they just not broadcast the fecking handshake? Sky acting the bollocks and zooming right in and replaying it over and over just adds fuel to the fire. Shreeves will also probably jump onto the pitch then I suppose with his trusty microphone......

adexkola · 26th April 2012, 14:22

Why is Anton making this an issue? Pursue your case through the proper legal channels, and get on with your fucking job, being a professional on the football pitch, not a media whore.

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5th February 2012, 23:34	#923 (permalink)
Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham + Londinium Posts: 9,977	I've heard Capello's comments about Terry have been taken out of context and he has never said something like "Terry is still my captain".

5th February 2012, 23:57	#924 (permalink)
7even Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Where I belong Posts: 1,941	Capello should shut up and accept the boards decision. These comments just make it worse. Idiot!!

6th February 2012, 04:04	#926 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 6,447	Why should anyone be surprised by the comments Capello has supposedly made? If he thought the decision was correct, he would have done it himself...it was obvious he was against this right from the start, which is why the FA went over his head and made the decision. Suppose Terry will appreciate the vote of confidence and loyalty, not sure about the FA and some of the other players though...

6th February 2012, 08:15	#929 (permalink)
Drifter No Lifer Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,935	Suppose it's best to get our excuses in early why we crashed out of the Euro 2012.

6th February 2012, 10:16	#931 (permalink)
Ray Peterson Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: meh Posts: 2,488	I can't believe anybody is surprised by the FA's actions. This is the governing body that ditched Rio before his missed drugs test hearing and almost had Neville staging a mutiny. Personally, I agree with the decision, Imagine the embarrassment in the unlikely event of England winning the tournament and having Terry's mug lifting the trophy being seen all around the world. Then, a few weeks later he gets found guilty in court and it tarnishes the whole thing as the world's media report it as European Championship winning Captain found guilty.

6th February 2012, 10:37	#932 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 2,100	I don't understand what the problem is. In high profile jobs where you have a degree of public responsibility, you're often suspended on full pay pending any investigation into your character. Terry's not even been suspended, he's just had a poxy armband taken away from him, for a team he doesn't deserve to play for based on either performance level or past behaviour anyway. Being England captain is about being an ambassador to English football, not about leading the team, which if you're any kind of professional you should be doing whether you have an armband or not. No one in England sees Terry as an ambassador to English football, no one in England wants Terry as an ambassador to English football. He's a complete embarassment. He's also no longer good enough at football to be playing for England, and hasn't been for over two years. and Capello's been a clueless tit from the get go. Why do people never listen to me until it's too late?

6th February 2012, 12:23	#935 (permalink)
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12th February 2012, 00:02	#936 (permalink)
SteveJ Nicest fella on the Caf and Newbie of the Year 2011 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Divided Kingdom Posts: 11,927	Micah Richards quits Twitter after three months of sustained racist abuse \| The Observer

12th February 2012, 00:03	#937 (permalink)
PJ Mrs Robinson's bit on the side Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Playing guess who with Samuel L Jackson Posts: 15,110	It's a real shame he didn't involve the police, but have to respect his wishes.

12th February 2012, 00:12	#938 (permalink)
JazzG Resident Arse. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 799	Capello's own fault for even reinstated Terry as captain, I don't remember exactly what happened but didn't he just one day decide to strip Rio of it and give it back to Terry without even discussing with Rio? I remember Rio reading about it in the press first. So serves him right really and suppose he now knows how it feels! Was disgraceful how he reinstated Terry in the first place so kind of poetic justice in a way that Terry gets stripped of it again and Capello loses his job! I do think though the FA should really of consulted him but ultimately they are completely right to take the armband off him, especially after the Suarez/Evra thing they can't go into a major tournament with those allegations hanging over him.

26th April 2012, 11:02	#941 (permalink)
SharkyMcShark First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 18,589	Handshake Gate Mk IV

26th April 2012, 11:04	#942 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Coventry (SM) Posts: 8,722	He's come out and said that he won't? Aww he's killed all the suspense. This also means Terry won't have that awkward "left hanging" moment.

26th April 2012, 12:11	#944 (permalink)
Pexbo He'll have your eye out and listed on Amazon before you can say "ow!" Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: T'Internet Posts: 8,279	It won't just be Anton, his team mates will support him 100% and snub Terry as well. I expect Terry will start himself on the bench in order to avoid the humiliation of having to walk past the whole team with his hand out and ignored. He'd have to at least offer his hand to them otherwise he'd be the one looking a twat.

26th April 2012, 12:56	#948 (permalink)
gooDevil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future ✹ Posts: 10,754	Well, just because the Telegraph say 'The Ferdinand camp' doesn't mean they have any idea what they're talking about. He's obviously consulted a lawyer being that he's bringing suit, the journo is likely as not just throwing that in about his reasoning because it sounds reasonable. If they knew they'd have a quote.

26th April 2012, 13:40	#953 (permalink)
WR Formerly Wayne_Rooney Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SM: Milwall Posts: 8,825	SSN breaking news, "Hughes to announce meeting about QPR players handshake with Terry" How the feck is that breaking news? And where is the need to call a meeting over it and furthermore why would you publicly announce a meeting?

26th April 2012, 13:44	#955 (permalink)
gooDevil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future ✹ Posts: 10,754	Yep, that's just what happened.

26th April 2012, 14:14	#958 (permalink)
gooDevil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future ✹ Posts: 10,754	Me too, Ivanovic is definitely suspended.

26th April 2012, 14:17	#959 (permalink)
Mr Anderson First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: (Ireland), Newcastle United: SM Caf League Posts: 7,194	Can they just not broadcast the fecking handshake? Sky acting the bollocks and zooming right in and replaying it over and over just adds fuel to the fire. Shreeves will also probably jump onto the pitch then I suppose with his trusty microphone......

26th April 2012, 14:22	#960 (permalink)
adexkola First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, Connecticut. Onwards and upwards. "Take me home, United Road." Posts: 9,810	Why is Anton making this an issue? Pursue your case through the proper legal channels, and get on with your fucking job, being a professional on the football pitch, not a media whore.