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Old 24th January 2012, 11:59   #2081 (permalink)
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Employment law means City must either continue to pay their ex-captain – or sack him. A quick Google will show you that he is still being paid.

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Carlos Tevez fined £800k – but he’ll sue Mancini | The Sun |Sport|Football

Well, considering they have a right to fine him for gross-misconduct, I'd say they also have a right to carry on fining him for persistent gross-misconduct.

Reading Daily Mirror articles doesn't make you bright Lance.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:00   #2082 (permalink)
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And you don't think that might be a factor if Tevez tried to sue THEM?
No, if my employer overlooks a breach of contract and then 6 months down the line I sue them for their treatment of me, they cannot say "we only did that because you breached contract back in May".

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Old 24th January 2012, 12:01   #2083 (permalink)
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Carlos Tevez fined £800k – but he’ll sue Mancini | The Sun |Sport|Football

Well, considering they have a right to fine him for gross-misconduct, I'd say they also have a right to carry on fining him to persistent gross-misconduct.

Reading Daily Mirror articles doesn't make you bright Lance.
And reading Sun articles does? In that case:

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Old 24th January 2012, 12:01   #2084 (permalink)
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According to The Times, Shitty paid £47 million for him. £20 million is not what I would call a "good price."
£47m was always more than he's worth but I agree with how they're approaching it, I can understand that they want to make as much back from the wasted 200-300k a week he's on. Tevez has made his bed and he deserves to lie in it, no easy exits.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:02   #2085 (permalink)
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No, if my employer overlooks a breach of contract
They haven't "overlooked" it, you goon.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:03   #2086 (permalink)
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And reading Sun articles does? In that case:
Nope, my point exactly.

And I never denied that he's getting paid:

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No chance. He'll be getting fined his wages back each week.
I just believe he'll be getting fined most, if not all of that back, because City have a right to fine players for misconduct.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:03   #2087 (permalink)
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Tevez can only get fined if he refuses to train/play i.e. perform his duties as per his employment contract.

In that case, if I was City, I'd throw him in the reserves (full well knowing his ego will be too big to handle that).
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:05   #2088 (permalink)
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They haven't "overlooked" it, you goon.
So "goon", if they have't overlooked it then what are they doing?
  • Paying him his wages according to you.
  • Haven't fired him either.


If that isn't overlooking it, I don't know what is.


I think someone needs to check back in the fountain.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:05   #2089 (permalink)
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Tevez can only get fined if he refuses to train/play i.e. perform his duties as per his employment contract..

Correct!
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:07   #2090 (permalink)
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Nope, my point exactly.

And I never denied that he's getting paid:
You said he'll be getting fined his wages back each week. So how the fuck is he getting paid? You are also basing it on absolutely nothing, but that is par for the course with you.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:08   #2091 (permalink)
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So "goon", if they have't overlooked it then what are they doing?
  • Paying him his wages according to you.
  • Haven't fired him either.


If that isn't overlooking it, I don't know what is.


I think someone needs to check back in the fountain.
As I have said repeatedly, they will sue him when he leaves. Pay attention.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:17   #2092 (permalink)
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You said he'll be getting fined his wages back each week. So how the fuck is he getting paid? You are also basing it on absolutely nothing, but that is par for the course with you.
He's getting paid because employment law as you pointed out (via the Daily Mail), ensures this. But yeah, I'm pretty certain City will be fining him at present, or as you say above, will fine him/sue those wages back once he leaves.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:19   #2093 (permalink)
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He's getting paid because employment law as you pointed out (via the Daily Mail), ensures this. But yeah, I'm pretty certain City will be fining him at present, or as you say above, will fine him/sue those wages back once he leaves.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:20   #2094 (permalink)
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Eh?

I thought we went over this already.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:21   #2095 (permalink)
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Eh?

I thought we went over this already.
You said you are pretty certain that he is being fined at present. It certainly doesn't look like it.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:23   #2096 (permalink)
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Employment law means City must either continue to pay their ex-captain – or sack him. A quick Google will show you that he is still being paid.

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But he is refusing to come to manchester. Cannot they pay him and then say he is breach of contract?
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:28   #2097 (permalink)
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City are contractually obliged to pay Tevez £250k which they are doing.

But isn't Tevez obliged to provide his time in return? If he is not then isn't this a clear breach of contract?

I assume City do not want to sack tevez because they would have to give him his registraction and lose out on a transfer fee. But can't they fight a case in court and sue Tevez for loss of this transfer fee?
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:31   #2098 (permalink)
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Yep, they should be able to - unless of course Shekhk Mansour is a turd and they gave Tevez permission to fuck off until a suitable buyer is found for him.

i.e. they'd rather pay that poisoned chalice to stay away from the rest of the squad before he infects anyone else.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:32   #2099 (permalink)
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City are contractually obliged to pay Tevez £250k which they are doing.

But isn't Tevez obliged to provide his time in return? If he is not then isn't this a clear breach of contract?

I assume City do not want to sack tevez because they would have to give him his registraction and lose out on a transfer fee. But can't they fight a case in court and sue Tevez for loss of this transfer fee?
Probably. They would also win. That's when the problems start, though. Chelski did just that when they sacked Mutu. They won the case some years back, but still haven't received a penny, as far as I know.
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From what I can see it's pretty straightforward. City don't want to do anything that will prolong their relationship with Tevez, particularly if he decides to sue them. They'll still have the right to sue him for the money when he leaves, though I imagine they won't want to do that.
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You said you are pretty certain that he is being fined at present. It certainly doesn't look like it.
I'm pretty certain Tevez will pay those wages back, simples. Whether or not that is happening right now, or will happen, it really is a moot point.

And it "doesn't look like" anything, a line quoted from the Guardian mean nish push.

One thing I'm also sure of is that City don't want that cancer back.
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Old 24th January 2012, 12:36   #2102 (permalink)
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I'm pretty certain Tevez will pay those wages back, simples. Whether or not that is happening right now, or will happen, it really is a moot point.

And it "doesn't look like" anything, a line quoted from the Guardian mean nish pish.
It means considerably more than anything you have come out with so far.
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It means considerably more than anything you have come out with so far.
No it doesn't, because I've already said about 3 or 4 times now, that I think he's getting paid. The Guardian back that.
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Probably. They would also win. That's when the problems start, though. Chelski did just that when they sacked Mutu. They won the case some years back, but still haven't received a penny, as far as I know.
So it would be a "moral victory" but getting not much back.

Has Tevez put in a transfer request? If not then will he receive a loyalty bonus?

If anything comes out of this saga it shows just how powerless clubs have become when they deal with big players.
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No it doesn't, because I've already said about 3 or 4 times now, that I think he's getting paid. The Guardian back that.
Yes, except Shitty are taking it all back in fines. What was your source on that one, by the way?
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So it would be a "moral victory" but getting not much back.

Has Tevez put in a transfer request? If not then will he receive a loyalty bonus?

If anything comes out of this saga it shows just how powerless clubs have become when they deal with big players.
He has put in a couple during his time there, I think.
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Yes, except Shitty are taking it all back in fines. What was your source on that one, by the way?
No source, just good business.
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He has put in a couple during his time there, I think.
He has definitely put at least 1 in.
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No shit. I am thinking about suing you for wasting the last 90 minutes of my life.
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No shit. I am thinking about suing you for wasting the last 90 minutes of my life.
I taught you some good business practices, you should be thankful.
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I taught you some good business practices, you should be thankful.
The only thing you taught me is to ignore you in future. You are eating into my lunchtime here. And I'm hungry.
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He has put in a couple during his time there, I think.
But if he has wothdrawn them then he still gets his bonus?

Ie he puts in 5 requests and they are either turned down or withdrawn and then the club sells him when no request is valiud - he still gets his bonus?

Also can a player be fined indefintely? Or is it likely the club will sue him after he leaves? I assume the former is more agreeable than the latter where there are added costs and uncertain outcome?
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The only thing you taught me is to ignore you in future. You are eating into my lunchtime here. And I'm hungry.
We all know that's not going to happen, it'd be one less person to abuse on the internet.
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Fair play to newb Lankyred for this one, should interest you Lance:

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Clear your pm's Lance, I want your reply.
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I can't access The Times website. And also, it means "nish push", remember?
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I can't access The Times website. And also, it means "nish push", remember?
Correct, glad you finally agree. That 90 mins was now worth it.

I'll now accept your apology for the below.

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No chance. He'll be getting fined his wages back each week.

You don't really think City are that stupid.
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Employment law means City must either continue to pay their ex-captain – or sack him. A quick Google will show you that he is still being paid.

You aren't the brightest penny in the fountain.
As I said, reading the Daily Fail doesn't make you bright. Another valuable lesson for today.
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Old 24th January 2012, 15:09   #2118 (permalink)
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I don't agree. With anything you have to say out of general principle.
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Old 24th January 2012, 16:10   #2119 (permalink)
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I cant access the times report but it would seem the sensible thing to do - pay him and then fine him. Now are the fines outstanding or are they deducted at source?
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This Tevez saga is the most tedious in the world.
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