Tiers of Greatness

adexkola · 16th March 2013, 20:18

I saw this list on another website. Personally I like this method of classification more than a numerical 1,2,3... ranking. Was wondering what the Caf thought about how they are/were ranked.

Brwned · 16th March 2013, 20:21

It's revolutionary.

Definitely a much preferable way to numerical rankings to avoid all the pedantic arguments.

Rowem · 16th March 2013, 20:21

Goat?

Eboue · 16th March 2013, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Rowem

Goat?

Greatest of all time

SER19 · 16th March 2013, 20:22

nicely presented but some laughable choices as always with these things.
giggs, the most succesful footballer in british football hstory,still performing incredibly at 39 is 4th tier behind litmanen, bergkamp, shevchenko and buffon to name just a few he shouldnt be behind.

rufus diabolus · 16th March 2013, 20:28

Wouldn't Best be in the top tier?

Brwned · 16th March 2013, 20:30

I suspect that was made by an Arsenal fan in fairness, no-one else would put Henry alongside Best/van Basten/Platini.

Zen86 · 16th March 2013, 20:33

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Originally Posted by rufus diabolus

Wouldn't Best be in the top tier?

He should be

sullydnl · 16th March 2013, 20:33

I'd move fat Ronaldo down a tier and Iniesta up one

nahealai · 16th March 2013, 20:33

Where's Bale?

More seriously though, Iniesta's categorising is the most glaring mistake in my view.

Eboue · 16th March 2013, 20:34

Where's Scott Dann?

Mockney · 16th March 2013, 20:36

Despite the inevitable subjectivity and nit picking, I'd say it's reasonably fair and accurate. Especially for these types of thing.

adexkola · 16th March 2013, 20:37

Lampard is two tiers too low.

Sewelly The Geordie · 16th March 2013, 20:40

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Originally Posted by adexkola

Lampard is two tiers too low.

Drugs are bad kids.

SER19 · 16th March 2013, 20:40

no else going to agree giggs should not be in the 4th fecking tier?! come on!

Brwned · 16th March 2013, 20:42

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Originally Posted by SER19

no else going to agree giggs should not be in the 4th fecking tier?! come on!

I agree. He's basically the modern version of Paco Gento and should be sat right alongside him there.

SER19 · 16th March 2013, 20:47

at least brwned. i think that some players,while undoubtedly brilliant players, have only been showcased to us at the top of their game. like year in year out we didnt see or hear of nedveds inconsistencies etc...because we see the likes of giggs every week we see him have bad games while foreign players have this enigma. kaka nedved raul pirlo eto'o, all players of the same era as giggs, he at the very least matches all of them.

Gio · 16th March 2013, 20:50

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Originally Posted by SER19

no else going to agree giggs should not be in the 4th fecking tier?! come on!

I think it would be fine if it wasn't heavily biased towards the last 20 years. As it is, then you've got a case.

Most contestable to me would be: Platini below Zidane - I'd probably have them the other way around, Rivaldo and Henry should be swapped, Carlos and Koeman are a bit high, the omission of Figueroa, and various others from the 40-60s.

rcoobc · 16th March 2013, 20:50

I've been thinking a lot about this recently, about players it feels completely wrong to criticize or it isn't socially acceptable to do so. Zidane, Maradonna, Pele, Messi...

I never thought Schmeical got that much recognition. Where is Van Der Sar?

Edit - I see

Badunk · 16th March 2013, 20:51

Best #1

The rest are tier 2

Magnus · 16th March 2013, 20:53

Denis Irwin

Theon · 16th March 2013, 20:55

Effenberg above Keano, fucking nutter.

Brwned · 16th March 2013, 20:58

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Originally Posted by SER19

at least brwned. i think that some players,while undoubtedly brilliant players, have only been showcased to us at the top of their game. like year in year out we didnt see or hear of nedveds inconsistencies etc...because we see the likes of giggs every week we see him have bad games while foreign players have this enigma. kaka nedved raul pirlo eto'o, all players of the same era as giggs, he at the very least matches all of them.

I think most of these lists are about peak form rather than longevity, that's why Giggs always seems to be lower than he should be and that's why the likes of Romario and Ronaldinho are in the second tier despite shining for a relatively short period.

Surprised no-one's mentioned Law in that last tier.

Ramshock · 16th March 2013, 20:58

That is complete wank to be brutally honest, theres so many players in the wrong tiers. Law was clearly a much better player than almost all of the tier above him and Best surely should be in the top tier. Who made this fucking thing?

Gio · 16th March 2013, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Theon

Effenberg above Keano, fucking nutter.

Yeah that's a strange one. He was good Effenberg, but never best-midfielder-in-the-world material, never mind Ballon D'Or-winning stature of the likes of Luis Suarez and Josef Masopust (missing from the list I think).

Theon · 16th March 2013, 21:00

Henry in the same tier as Best is mental

ArmchairCritic · 16th March 2013, 21:02

Scholes and Bergkamp a tier above Giggs? Not for me.

Skorenzy · 16th March 2013, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Brwned

I think most of these lists are about peak form rather than longevity, that's why Giggs always seems to be lower than he should be and that's why the likes of Romario and Ronaldinho are in the second tier despite shining for a relatively short period.

Surprised no-one's mentioned Law in that last tier.

On the other hand, longevity often blurs reality about players... I don't think I'm wrong in saying that if most football fans nowadays are to be believed the likes of Maldini, Zanetti or Giggs never suffered a bad game in their careers, nevermind whole seasons where they were poor/underperformed.

Zen86 · 16th March 2013, 21:10

Batistuta looks like Poe from Con Air

jakec · 16th March 2013, 21:12

Keanes too low

jojojo · 16th March 2013, 21:14

Better than most such lists, despite the flaws - like Giggs and Best - I like the approach.

ArmchairCritic · 16th March 2013, 21:16

What's Law doing so low? A tier below Shearer, ok.

Theon · 16th March 2013, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Gio

Yeah that's a strange one. He was good Effenberg, but never best-midfielder-in-the-world material, never mind Ballon D'Or-winning stature of the likes of Luis Suarez and Josef Masopust (missing from the list I think).

Suarez is there mate, same tier as Effenberg. There is a few from the all time thread that are missing. Pleased my man Passarella got in but Figueroa is an ommission and anto's favourite Facchetti.

Gio · 16th March 2013, 21:26

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

I never thought Schmeical got that much recognition. Where is Van Der Sar?

Edit - I see

Surprised Van Der Sar's in there to be honest. Does that make him one of the six/seven best keepers of all time? Top six of his generation yes, but there's many more who are more worthy of a place in the pantheon. Hard to comment on those from previous eras as properly judging a keeper takes time, but from the last quarter of century or so Dasayev, Kahn, Filol, Pfaff and Preud'homme would surely be ahead.

ricardinho · 16th March 2013, 21:26

Deco in and no Rui Costa cmon now.

Brwned · 16th March 2013, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Skorenzy

On the other hand, longevity often blurs reality about players... I don't think I'm wrong in saying that if most football fans nowadays are to be believed the likes of Maldini, Zanetti or Giggs never suffered a bad game in their careers, nevermind whole seasons where they were poor/underperformed.

That's also true. Though I think that's just the mystique of greatness anyway, the way Baresi's spoken about you'd think he never put a foot wrong. They never saw him up against Vieri I take it...

I tried my top 4 tiers from the 50s onwards but it's pretty much impossible to do.

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Pelé, Di Stéfano, Maradona, Messi, Best.

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Ronaldo, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Eusébio, Platini, Baresi.

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van Basten, Puskás, Figueroa, Passarella, Laudrup, Muller, Charlton, Xavi, Neeskens, Garrincha, Zico, Buffon, Schmeichel, Yashin, Matthaus, Rijkaard, Scirea, Maldini, Charlton, Didi, Falcão, Facchetti, N. Santos.

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Zidane, Rivaldo, C. Ronaldo, Gento, Giggs, Scholes, Law, Pirlo, Dalglish, Tostão, Iniesta, Suárez, Redondo, Keane, Tardelli, Coluna, Czibor, Kubala, Masopust, Charles, Moore, Krol, Ronaldinho, Romario, Stoichkov, Mazzola, Rivera, Kopa, Rivelino, Netzer, Figo, Burgnich, Bergomi, Picchi, Vogts, Kocsis, Johnstone, D. Santos, Jairzinho, Zoff, C. Alberto, Nesta, Gullit, Batistuta, Raúl, Fontaine, Boniek, Overath, Koeman.

sullydnl · 16th March 2013, 21:27

Would have Zidane a tier lower, though he'd be one of the best in that tier.

Edit: Actually there are a few players in the second tier I'd guess were better than him. Definitely second tier.

ArmchairCritic · 16th March 2013, 21:30

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Originally Posted by ricardinho

Deco in and no Rui Costa cmon now.

Look again mate, Rui's under the 'Great Tier'.

Fergus' son · 16th March 2013, 21:30

Best and Zidane should swap places.

Fachetti should be alongside Maldini IMO, and no Figueroa at all is bananas.

Giggs should be higher, him and Scholes can't be separated IMO and Bergkamp and Henry should be lower.

Zanetti being two tiers below R.Carlos is very strange too.

ricardinho · 16th March 2013, 21:32

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Look again mate, Rui's under the 'Great Tier'.

indeed he is mate, good to see him there well deserved.

16th March 2013, 20:18	#1 (permalink)
adexkola American Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, Connecticut. "Football Was Alright As Long as We Were Winning Everything And Everybody Knew Their Place" Posts: 13,155	Tiers of Greatness I saw this list on another website. Personally I like this method of classification more than a numerical 1,2,3... ranking. Was wondering what the Caf thought about how they are/were ranked.

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16th March 2013, 20:21	#2 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,397	It's revolutionary. Definitely a much preferable way to numerical rankings to avoid all the pedantic arguments.

16th March 2013, 20:21	#3 (permalink)
Rowem First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 10,035	Goat?

16th March 2013, 20:22	#5 (permalink)
SER19 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,265	nicely presented but some laughable choices as always with these things. giggs, the most succesful footballer in british football hstory,still performing incredibly at 39 is 4th tier behind litmanen, bergkamp, shevchenko and buffon to name just a few he shouldnt be behind.

16th March 2013, 20:28	#6 (permalink)
rufus diabolus Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lazy genius Posts: 4,800	Wouldn't Best be in the top tier?

16th March 2013, 20:30	#7 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,397	I suspect that was made by an Arsenal fan in fairness, no-one else would put Henry alongside Best/van Basten/Platini.

16th March 2013, 20:33	#9 (permalink)
sullydnl Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,114	I'd move fat Ronaldo down a tier and Iniesta up one

16th March 2013, 20:33	#10 (permalink)
nahealai Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Republik of Mancunia Posts: 4,144	Where's Bale? More seriously though, Iniesta's categorising is the most glaring mistake in my view.

16th March 2013, 20:34	#11 (permalink)
Eboue Likes his bacon crispy Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Follow me @_JakeCullen_ Posts: 10,241	Where's Scott Dann?

16th March 2013, 20:36	#12 (permalink)
Mockney Not the only poster to be named Poster of the Year twice Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangerang Posts: 29,105	Despite the inevitable subjectivity and nit picking, I'd say it's reasonably fair and accurate. Especially for these types of thing.

16th March 2013, 20:37	#13 (permalink)
adexkola American Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, Connecticut. "Football Was Alright As Long as We Were Winning Everything And Everybody Knew Their Place" Posts: 13,155	Lampard is two tiers too low.

16th March 2013, 20:53	#21 (permalink)
Magnus Another mad swede Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Balcony BB and after that W3106 Posts: 2,653	Denis Irwin

16th March 2013, 20:40	#15 (permalink)
SER19 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,265	no else going to agree giggs should not be in the 4th fecking tier?! come on!

16th March 2013, 20:47	#17 (permalink)
SER19 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,265	at least brwned. i think that some players,while undoubtedly brilliant players, have only been showcased to us at the top of their game. like year in year out we didnt see or hear of nedveds inconsistencies etc...because we see the likes of giggs every week we see him have bad games while foreign players have this enigma. kaka nedved raul pirlo eto'o, all players of the same era as giggs, he at the very least matches all of them.

16th March 2013, 20:50	#19 (permalink)
rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The treble gone Posts: 23,107	I've been thinking a lot about this recently, about players it feels completely wrong to criticize or it isn't socially acceptable to do so. Zidane, Maradonna, Pele, Messi... I never thought Schmeical got that much recognition. Where is Van Der Sar? Edit - I see

16th March 2013, 20:51	#20 (permalink)
Badunk First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse Posts: 9,659	Best #1 The rest are tier 2

16th March 2013, 20:55	#22 (permalink)
Theon First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 5,420	Effenberg above Keano, fucking nutter.

16th March 2013, 20:58	#24 (permalink)
Ramshock poster of nonsense Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Four Green Fields Posts: 13,086	That is complete wank to be brutally honest, theres so many players in the wrong tiers. Law was clearly a much better player than almost all of the tier above him and Best surely should be in the top tier. Who made this fucking thing?

16th March 2013, 21:00	#26 (permalink)
Theon First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 5,420	Henry in the same tier as Best is mental

16th March 2013, 21:02	#27 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic No Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 9,875	Scholes and Bergkamp a tier above Giggs? Not for me.

16th March 2013, 21:10	#29 (permalink)
Zen86 First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: its a nice day for a.. white wedding Posts: 6,556	Batistuta looks like Poe from Con Air

16th March 2013, 21:12	#30 (permalink)
jakec I'm a fecking politics student for Gods sake Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Follow me @_JakeCullen_ Posts: 21,108	Keanes too low

16th March 2013, 21:14	#31 (permalink)
jojojo First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Engaged in a Valencian standoff with some Barca fans - Viva United Posts: 9,896	Better than most such lists, despite the flaws - like Giggs and Best - I like the approach.

16th March 2013, 21:16	#32 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic No Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 9,875	What's Law doing so low? A tier below Shearer, ok.

16th March 2013, 21:26	#35 (permalink)
ricardinho Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,530	Deco in and no Rui Costa cmon now.

16th March 2013, 21:27	#37 (permalink)
sullydnl Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,114	Would have Zidane a tier lower, though he'd be one of the best in that tier. Edit: Actually there are a few players in the second tier I'd guess were better than him. Definitely second tier.

16th March 2013, 21:30	#39 (permalink)
Fergus' son Gets very easily confused Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,986	Best and Zidane should swap places. Fachetti should be alongside Maldini IMO, and no Figueroa at all is bananas. Giggs should be higher, him and Scholes can't be separated IMO and Bergkamp and Henry should be lower. Zanetti being two tiers below R.Carlos is very strange too.