Wenger on abuse by fans...verbal that is.

Inigo Montoya · 29th April 2012, 12:09

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger unhappy with Stoke abuse
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger wants more to be done to stop abuse from fans.

Wenger was speaking after taunts from some Stoke supporters during his side's 1-1 draw at the Britannia Stadium.

"I think one day football will have to tackle that," said Wenger. "It's easy to sit in the stand and insult people. It's the easiest sport in the world.

"I'm not responsible for the way people behave in the stands. If you want to stop that, it's easy to stop. You can isolate every single face."

Robin van Persie equalised for the Gunners after Peter Crouch put the home side ahead, but matters on the field were not the only things occupying Wenger's thoughts after the game.

He added: "I think sometimes when I go out on the pitch at the end of the game and people are angry or hateful, I would like a little picture to send home for them to show their son or daughter, and then come back next week and see if they will do it again, see if they are proud of you."

A feisty rivalry has developed between Arsenal and Stoke in recent years and there were also some jeers directed at Arsenal midfielder Aaron Ramsey.

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Ramsey broke his leg in a game at Stoke following a tackle by Potters defender Ryan Shawcross in February 2010, and the centre-back has since been the subject of abuse from some Arsenal fans.

"I don't think you can be especially proud to boo Aaron Ramsey, I don't see what he has done wrong," said Wenger.

"It's an old story where the fans of Stoke stand behind their player but it shouldn't go as far as booing Ramsey."

Stoke manager Pulis refused to criticise his club's supporters but accepted there is a problem regarding abuse from the stands.

"It is very difficult for us all," he said. "I go to grounds and get abused.

"It's not just Arsene. If you speak to Sir Alex [Ferguson], he gets absolutely slaughtered at some grounds. Is it acceptable? The powers-that-be have got to decide that."

On the boos aimed at Ramsey, he added: "I was more concerned about the Arsenal supporters booing Shawcross so I didn't hear the ones on Ramsey."

Has he got a point? Are Stoke fans just a bunch of knobends?

FortBoyard · 29th April 2012, 12:17

Yes he has a point.

Humorous chants are one thing those which have little digs 'your getting sacked in the morning' 'sit down, shut up' etc, but calling someone a 'fucking pedophile' is clearly not on, and I imagine he gets that shouted at the back of his head at least once at every away fixture.

It is harassment.

Badunk · 29th April 2012, 12:17

I thought the way they mocked Wenger was very funny. He reminds me of those giant inflatable stickmen that flap about outside car dealerships and the like

kps88 · 29th April 2012, 12:18

What were they singing? Sounded to me like the common "is a wanker" song.

Sewelly The Geordie · 29th April 2012, 12:20

I tend not be bothered by most chants at football but the paedophile stuff has never sat well with me.

Broyphs · 29th April 2012, 12:23

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Originally Posted by Sewelly The Geordie

I tend not be bothered by most chants at football but the paedophile stuff has never sat well with me.

Yeah, same. Stick is part and parcel but calling someone a paedo is inexcusable, IMO. Going to a game of football doesn't mean you can do or say things that wouldn't be remotely acceptable in normal life.

Inigo Montoya · 29th April 2012, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Sewelly The Geordie

I tend not be bothered by most chants at football but the paedophile stuff has never sat well with me.

Me neither, never sang it.There are better taunts for Arsenal

Cheesy · 29th April 2012, 12:25

I think it depends on what sort of abuse it is. The odd chant or two usually does no harm, and managers as well as players just have to take it on the chin.

What I don't like though is when they start to make it personal with managers, whether it be chanting about bad stuff that has happened to them, which wasn't really their fault if you know what I mean.

I don't condone chanting about football disasters either. It's just disgusting. Any of our fans who have ever done it at a game about Hillsborough are not really fans at all. Same with any other fans about Munich and anything like that.

Kaos · 29th April 2012, 12:33

To be fair Stoke fans are a vile, inbred bunch. I mean booing Ramsey for breaking his leg is up there with the dippers booing Evra for complaining of racist abuse from Suarez.

I long for the day they go back down to the lower leagues and take their tedious football and knobend fans with them.

Lastwolf · 29th April 2012, 12:43

It's actually worse, the dippers at least think Evra is lying, as misguided and delusional as that is, what's Stoke's excuse? they think he made up the whole broken limb thing.

Some abuse is always gonna happen, booing a player for getting hurt by one of your players seems a bit mental.

Moonwalker · 29th April 2012, 12:45

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Originally Posted by Brophs

Yeah, same. Stick is part and parcel but calling someone a paedo is inexcusable, IMO. Going to a game of football doesn't mean you can do or say things that wouldn't be remotely acceptable in normal life.

I'm sure we all agree on that, but there's not a word on any pedo chants anywhere in that interview or any report.

If he's just complaining because of that brief crowd pantomime for his touchline theatrics, then he ought to grow a pair. I mean this Wenger we are talking about. It doesn't take a lot to make this man cry, let's not forget.

Inigo Montoya · 29th April 2012, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonwalker

I'm sure we all agree on that, but there's not a word on any pedo chants anywhere in that interview or any report.

If he's just complaining because of that brief crowd pantomime for his touchline theatrics, then he ought to grow a pair. I mean this Wenger we are talking about. It doesn't take a lot to make this man cry, let's not forget.

Harsh.

Agent Red · 29th April 2012, 12:53

Just seen the replay of the boos for Ramsay. Is pretty ridiculous to be honest. What's his crime? Getting his leg broken?

Twigginater · 29th April 2012, 12:56

Stoke fans think Shawcross' leg break was accidental, they don't like that Ramsey refused Shawcross' apology after the match of Wenger implying it was done on purpose.

Inigo Montoya · 29th April 2012, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twigginater

Stoke fans think Shawcross' leg break was accidental, they don't like that Ramsey refused Shawcross' apology after the match of Wenger implying it was done on purpose.

Shawcross is a fucking shite player and a thug on the pitch.Stoke and their fans are one set I'd love to see the back of.

kps88 · 29th April 2012, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Harsh.

Not really, he has a point. I watched the game and at no point did I make out Stoke fans to be singing the pedophile song. They sounded like they were singing the usual "is a wanker" and took great pleasure in his drama queen touchline antics after a few decisions didn't go his way.

As for Ramsey getting booed, it was disgraceful, but Stoke fans have their own (however deluded) reasons. He didn't accept an apology from Shawcross and Wenger made a right tit of himself after that with regards to Shawcross.

Agent Red · 29th April 2012, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twigginater

Stoke fans think Shawcross' leg break was accidental, they don't like that Ramsey refused Shawcross' apology after the match of Wenger implying it was done on purpose.

Ah I see, I didn't know he'd refused the apology.

Hectic · 29th April 2012, 13:28

Anyone who has ever watched transfer deadline day with coverage in Stoke knows that there's no saving the heavily, almost entirely inbred place.

kietotheworld · 29th April 2012, 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twigginater

Stoke fans think Shawcross' leg break was accidental, they don't like that Ramsey refused Shawcross' apology after the match of Wenger implying it was done on purpose.

He never implied it was done on purpose.

Damien · 29th April 2012, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hectic

Anyone who has ever watched transfer deadline day with coverage in Stoke knows that there's no saving the heavily, almost entirely inbred place.

Ah yes.

Transfer Deadline Day

As for the chants I'm of the same viewpoint as Cheesy.

fergieisold · 29th April 2012, 13:39

Couldn't care less, it's football, get on with it.

Trionz · 29th April 2012, 14:22

Chants from stoke fan for Wenger were not offensive.

Wenger is just responding to the question btw. not comlaining.

Persian-Fred · 29th April 2012, 14:49

Calling someone a paedophile is never acceptable, and I feel for Wenger having to hear it shouted at him constantly. It's not funny, it's offensive.

Football chanting is a bit of a laugh in general - having a whole stand chant 'Fuck off Di Canio' is hilarious. But when those chants get personal that it's out of order and needs to be stopped.

On the other hand, any light-hearted, harmless jibes at Wenger are encouraged by me. The fans imitating him at Stoke were hilarious.

Snow · 29th April 2012, 15:11

Wenger always moans about something or other when he doesn't win.

Of course he has a point but it's not a new point. It's a recycled point. People are idiots. When you have tens of thousands at one place and you're allowed to be vocal of course you're going to hear from the people that should shut up.

marjen · 29th April 2012, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien1990

Ah yes.

Transfer Deadline Day

As for the chants I'm of the same viewpoint as Cheesy.

Christ, it's worse than I remember it.

Like a modern, urban version of Deliverance FFS.

Moriarty · 29th April 2012, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by marjen

Christ, it's worse than I remember it.

Like a modern, urban version of Deliverance FFS.

The Sky reporter looks like the product of some brother and sister mating as well.

Plan M · 29th April 2012, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien1990

Ah yes.

Grinner · 29th April 2012, 23:53

You can't blame Stoke fans for trying to entertain themselves when they are being played off the park. The highlight of every game for them is some bloke towelling off a ball and launching it at Crouch.

Wenger was just pissed off because we didn't get all three points. He hates dropping any points to Stoke.

RK · 30th April 2012, 00:05

Chants should be anything-goes apart from actively discriminating against the subject (racially, sexually etc).

I'm fine with the rest, they just make the people singing look like twats or they're taken too seriously by people who don't go to football grounds.

maniak · 30th April 2012, 00:32

Wenger and Stoke aside, it's amazing how for some people entering a football ground is like leaving reality. They'll say things and do things they wouldn't dream of doing in their daily life.

JazzG · 30th April 2012, 00:57

Chants are apart of the game but football clubs need to look at rectifying and coming down hard on fans who cross the line. Paedophile, Munich and Hillsborough chants imo cross that line. As do chants wishing a player would die or wishing their family member would die.

RK · 30th April 2012, 01:03

Nah, they just need to be ignored. It's a problem with society, not football.

Having said that, discrimination shouldn't be allowed (and it isn't).

29th April 2012, 12:09	#1 (permalink)
Inigo Montoya First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,618	Wenger on abuse by fans...verbal that is. Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger unhappy with Stoke abuse Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger wants more to be done to stop abuse from fans. Wenger was speaking after taunts from some Stoke supporters during his side's 1-1 draw at the Britannia Stadium. "I think one day football will have to tackle that," said Wenger. "It's easy to sit in the stand and insult people. It's the easiest sport in the world. "I'm not responsible for the way people behave in the stands. If you want to stop that, it's easy to stop. You can isolate every single face." Robin van Persie equalised for the Gunners after Peter Crouch put the home side ahead, but matters on the field were not the only things occupying Wenger's thoughts after the game. He added: "I think sometimes when I go out on the pitch at the end of the game and people are angry or hateful, I would like a little picture to send home for them to show their son or daughter, and then come back next week and see if they will do it again, see if they are proud of you." A feisty rivalry has developed between Arsenal and Stoke in recent years and there were also some jeers directed at Arsenal midfielder Aaron Ramsey. Use accessible player and disable flyout menusPulis salutes Stoke 'spirit' Ramsey broke his leg in a game at Stoke following a tackle by Potters defender Ryan Shawcross in February 2010, and the centre-back has since been the subject of abuse from some Arsenal fans. "I don't think you can be especially proud to boo Aaron Ramsey, I don't see what he has done wrong," said Wenger. "It's an old story where the fans of Stoke stand behind their player but it shouldn't go as far as booing Ramsey." Stoke manager Pulis refused to criticise his club's supporters but accepted there is a problem regarding abuse from the stands. "It is very difficult for us all," he said. "I go to grounds and get abused. "It's not just Arsene. If you speak to Sir Alex [Ferguson], he gets absolutely slaughtered at some grounds. Is it acceptable? The powers-that-be have got to decide that." On the boos aimed at Ramsey, he added: "I was more concerned about the Arsenal supporters booing Shawcross so I didn't hear the ones on Ramsey." Has he got a point? Are Stoke fans just a bunch of knobends?

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29th April 2012, 12:17	#2 (permalink)
FortBoyard First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Assuming that all things are equal, who'd want to be men of the people. When there's people like YOU. Posts: 5,611	Yes he has a point. Humorous chants are one thing those which have little digs 'your getting sacked in the morning' 'sit down, shut up' etc, but calling someone a 'fucking pedophile' is clearly not on, and I imagine he gets that shouted at the back of his head at least once at every away fixture. It is harassment.

29th April 2012, 12:17	#3 (permalink)
Badunk First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse Posts: 9,645	I thought the way they mocked Wenger was very funny. He reminds me of those giant inflatable stickmen that flap about outside car dealerships and the like

29th April 2012, 12:18	#4 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,176	What were they singing? Sounded to me like the common "is a wanker" song.

29th April 2012, 12:20	#5 (permalink)
Sewelly The Geordie Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The palm of Mike Ashley's hand Posts: 3,325	I tend not be bothered by most chants at football but the paedophile stuff has never sat well with me.

29th April 2012, 12:25	#8 (permalink)
Cheesy Smells Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 9,096	I think it depends on what sort of abuse it is. The odd chant or two usually does no harm, and managers as well as players just have to take it on the chin. What I don't like though is when they start to make it personal with managers, whether it be chanting about bad stuff that has happened to them, which wasn't really their fault if you know what I mean. I don't condone chanting about football disasters either. It's just disgusting. Any of our fans who have ever done it at a game about Hillsborough are not really fans at all. Same with any other fans about Munich and anything like that.

29th April 2012, 12:33	#9 (permalink)
Kaos First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lost Posts: 14,506	To be fair Stoke fans are a vile, inbred bunch. I mean booing Ramsey for breaking his leg is up there with the dippers booing Evra for complaining of racist abuse from Suarez. I long for the day they go back down to the lower leagues and take their tedious football and knobend fans with them.

29th April 2012, 12:43	#10 (permalink)
Lastwolf First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Brick Sofa Posts: 5,625	It's actually worse, the dippers at least think Evra is lying, as misguided and delusional as that is, what's Stoke's excuse? they think he made up the whole broken limb thing. Some abuse is always gonna happen, booing a player for getting hurt by one of your players seems a bit mental.

29th April 2012, 12:53	#13 (permalink)
Agent Red First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 6,009	Just seen the replay of the boos for Ramsay. Is pretty ridiculous to be honest. What's his crime? Getting his leg broken?

29th April 2012, 12:56	#14 (permalink)
Twigginater WUM Alert! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Obertans #1 fan. Posts: 7,226	Stoke fans think Shawcross' leg break was accidental, they don't like that Ramsey refused Shawcross' apology after the match of Wenger implying it was done on purpose.

29th April 2012, 13:28	#18 (permalink)
Hectic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mike Phelan WILL kill you. Posts: 64,714	Anyone who has ever watched transfer deadline day with coverage in Stoke knows that there's no saving the heavily, almost entirely inbred place.

29th April 2012, 13:39	#21 (permalink)
fergieisold Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,592	Couldn't care less, it's football, get on with it.

29th April 2012, 14:22	#22 (permalink)
Trionz Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Jack of All Trades Posts: 8,588	Chants from stoke fan for Wenger were not offensive. Wenger is just responding to the question btw. not comlaining.

29th April 2012, 14:49	#23 (permalink)
Persian-Fred Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Chelsea. Come at me bitches! Posts: 7,248	Calling someone a paedophile is never acceptable, and I feel for Wenger having to hear it shouted at him constantly. It's not funny, it's offensive. Football chanting is a bit of a laugh in general - having a whole stand chant 'Fuck off Di Canio' is hilarious. But when those chants get personal that it's out of order and needs to be stopped. On the other hand, any light-hearted, harmless jibes at Wenger are encouraged by me. The fans imitating him at Stoke were hilarious.

29th April 2012, 15:11	#24 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 16,853	Wenger always moans about something or other when he doesn't win. Of course he has a point but it's not a new point. It's a recycled point. People are idiots. When you have tens of thousands at one place and you're allowed to be vocal of course you're going to hear from the people that should shut up.

29th April 2012, 23:53	#28 (permalink)
Grinner Fat gutted, hairy shouldered, stinky Arse. Join Date: May 2003 Location: I love free dirt and rocks! Posts: 34,817	You can't blame Stoke fans for trying to entertain themselves when they are being played off the park. The highlight of every game for them is some bloke towelling off a ball and launching it at Crouch. Wenger was just pissed off because we didn't get all three points. He hates dropping any points to Stoke.

30th April 2012, 00:05	#29 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 15,131	Chants should be anything-goes apart from actively discriminating against the subject (racially, sexually etc). I'm fine with the rest, they just make the people singing look like twats or they're taken too seriously by people who don't go to football grounds.

30th April 2012, 00:32	#30 (permalink)
maniak Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Arsenal Posts: 2,977	Wenger and Stoke aside, it's amazing how for some people entering a football ground is like leaving reality. They'll say things and do things they wouldn't dream of doing in their daily life.

30th April 2012, 00:57	#31 (permalink)
JazzG Resident Arse. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,153	Chants are apart of the game but football clubs need to look at rectifying and coming down hard on fans who cross the line. Paedophile, Munich and Hillsborough chants imo cross that line. As do chants wishing a player would die or wishing their family member would die.

30th April 2012, 01:03	#32 (permalink)
RK First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 15,131	Nah, they just need to be ignored. It's a problem with society, not football. Having said that, discrimination shouldn't be allowed (and it isn't).