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Old 8th February 2010, 09:25   #1 (permalink)
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Wenger "Euro trauma affected us against Man United"

‘Euro trauma affected us against Man United’ | News Archive | News | Arsenal.com

Wenger is blaming this on poor form this season?! He must the world's worst motivator!

He said that Arsenal were "mentally stronger" at the beginning of this season. I'd really be worried if I was a Gooner right now, Arsenal are going backwards so quickly that it's scary.
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Obviously Wenger is not content that Benitez looks a bigger idiot than him at a press conference.
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Old 8th February 2010, 09:42   #3 (permalink)
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Obviously Wenger is not content that Benitez looks a bigger idiot than him at a press conference.
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Old 8th February 2010, 09:44   #4 (permalink)
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Sometimes the man should just shut up. The other day when he stated that the Carling cup should mean nothing just compounds on this fact.
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“I believe we will respond on Sunday, I have no doubt about that,” declared the Frenchman.
They lost 3-0 at home and only 2-0 at away. Well done.
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Old 8th February 2010, 09:47   #6 (permalink)
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If you read it it's not really that bad.

He is basically saying that perhaps the players thought of Euro exit when we took the lead last week.

It was the same sort of game to be honest, so it isn't that far off.


Getting them mentally done with some things, and ready for new tasks is his job though.
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Old 8th February 2010, 10:08   #7 (permalink)
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so they've implode once again.
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Old 8th February 2010, 10:28   #8 (permalink)
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Wenger is blaming this on poor form this season?! He must the world's worst motivator!

He said that Arsenal were "mentally stronger" at the beginning of this season. I'd really be worried if I was a Gooner right now, Arsenal are going backwards so quickly that it's scary.
Isnt that what happens every season ? So why should they be worried - next august they will come back convinced this could be their season - and the players who never were good enough surely have learned their lesson

What really would have annoyed me if I were a Gunners-fan - they had created the almost perfect mix of players 6-7 years ago - and somewhere along the line it was like Wenger said - "ok, that worked - now let's see if I can do it using technical players only - bye bye Campbell, bye bye Vieira. "
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Old 8th February 2010, 10:41   #9 (permalink)
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Old 8th February 2010, 11:01   #10 (permalink)
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Sol Campbell would have offered a far better assessment of the situation facing Arsenal
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Have Arsenal start to fit into the Scouse boom-bust cycle?
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Old 8th February 2010, 11:23   #13 (permalink)
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Why did it take so long for Wenger to play Bendtner not that he changed the game but maybe he should have introduced him earlier.Leaving Arshavin against 2 giants ( for the second time in a row) was ridiculous
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I'd have given Clichy some Eurotrauma by dropping him after the Villa game.
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Old 8th February 2010, 11:37   #15 (permalink)
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Eurotrauma
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Old 8th February 2010, 11:39   #16 (permalink)
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- Too many similar players; Nasri, Arshavin, Rosicky, and even Fabregas.
- Lack of half decent goalie
- Lack of strikers
- Refusal to understand that you can't pass yourself to victory in games against the top teams

Those are the issues Arsenal have.
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Old 8th February 2010, 11:54   #17 (permalink)
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The main issue seems to be how appallingly easy it is for decent sides to play through them, despite usually having far less of the ball.
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- Too many similar players; Nasri, Arshavin, Rosicky, and even Fabregas.
- Lack of half decent goalie
- Lack of strikers
- Refusal to understand that you can't pass yourself to victory in games against the top teams

Those are the issues Arsenal have.
Nasri is a player that has always confused me in that he doesn't actually bring much to the side, Rosicky should be ahead of him imo when fit. That and Arshavin has been trying to do everything on his own and failing miserably for the past couple of matches.

The main problem is definitely Arsenal's organization at the back though which is terrible especially on the counter. Vermalaen might get a few goals but he ventures forward too often and forgets his job is to defend. Both him and Gallas like to get forward and usually have a couple of chances a match each, but that's not a good idea against big sides especially when the fullbacks have a tendency to go AWOL.
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They are too cavalier as well. It was embarrassing watching them yesterday, all streaming forward, waiting to be picked off. They didn't learn a thing from our match.

Playing only fannies up front didn't help either.
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The main issue seems to be how appallingly easy it is for decent sides to play through them, despite usually having far less of the ball.
That's what happens when you try to pass yourself to death against a decent side. They only need to break you down on the break once and you're one down, despite having 78.49% possession.
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They are too cavalier as well. It was embarrassing watching them yesterday, all streaming forward, waiting to be picked off. They didn't learn a thing from our match..
That was largely because of that match since we'd put ourselves in the position of having to win at Chelsea. Still too gung ho mind you.
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Apart from the silly goals conceded, the lack of a striker is what has really cost Arsenal dear in the last two games.

Wenger is getting a lot of stick but, to be fair, he's got three strikers absent at the same time. The equivalent of United missing Rooney, Berbatov and Owen. Which would be a really big blow.

The thing is, if this happened to us we could play Macheda and/or Diouf. Do Arsenal really not have any specialist strikers in their reserves who could have helped them out?
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They are too cavalier as well. It was embarrassing watching them yesterday, all streaming forward, waiting to be picked off. They didn't learn a thing from our match.
It was embarassing enough in our match. They do the same thing in every game, and the better sides always pick them off. Look at their results against decent opponents this season. Speaks for itself.

The other thing is, when teams get caught on the break, they usually flood back in an attempt to get numbers behind the ball again. Arsenal don't. Apart from their defenders and maybe one of the midfielders, everyone just seems to stand there waiting for the ball to come back again. It's some pretty basic fecking stuff really.

Guess that's what happens when the closest thing you have to a captian/organiser is Cesc Fabregas
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Apart from the silly goals conceded, the lack of a striker is what has really cost Arsenal dear in the last two games.

Wenger is getting a lot of stick but, to be fair, he's got three strikers absent at the same time. The equivalent of United missing Rooney, Berbatov and Owen. Which would be a really big blow.

The thing is, if this happened to us we could play Macheda and/or Diouf. Do Arsenal really not have any specialist strikers in their reserves who could have helped them out?
Sanchez Watt is too raw, Jay Simpson is on loan and Rhys Murphy is injured. I don't see why he didn't start with Bendtner though.
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Vermaelen's defending for the second goal was scandalous. He was covering Drogba before at the last minute leaving him to cover the centre and pointed for Clichy to go there. Clichy had no chance of getting to Drogba and Vermaelen left him on his own. Schoolboy stuff.
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They are too cavalier as well. It was embarrassing watching them yesterday, all streaming forward, waiting to be picked off. They didn't learn a thing from our match.

Playing only fannies up front didn't help either.
which we played in May. they lost 3 vital games in the exact same manner.
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Sanchez Watt is too raw, Jay Simpson is on loan and Rhys Murphy is injured. I don't see why he didn't start with Bendtner though.
Didn't he say he wasn't fully fit?

He looked rusty as hell when he did get on, that's for sure.

Who was the young striker who scored in the Carling Cup? Was that Rhys Murphy?
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That was largely because of that match since we'd put ourselves in the position of having to win at Chelsea. Still too gung ho mind you.
Mindless. That wasn't the way to win.
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They lost 3-0 at home and only 2-0 at home. Well done.
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Didn't he say he wasn't fully fit?

He looked rusty as hell when he did get on, that's for sure.

Who was the young striker who scored in the Carling Cup? Was that Rhys Murphy?
An unfit Bendtner did much better than Midgetshaving in the time he was given. Bendtner should have started even if only to win headers.
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Didn't he say he wasn't fully fit?

He looked rusty as hell when he did get on, that's for sure.

Who was the young striker who scored in the Carling Cup? Was that Rhys Murphy?
He was obviously fit enough to start and give us better balance even if he had to come off after 50/60 mins. Watt scored against WBA, he's a talent but nowhere near ready. There's also Vela, who has been disappointing this year.
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If Wengers blaming the Euro trauma as a component for the United defeat then it highlights the lack of mental strength amongst his side. There are no leaders or anyone with captain material at Arsenal.
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Should have played Song and Diaby in front of the back four and told them to behave, then played s-thing like Ramsey--Fabregas--Arshavin behind Bendtner. Would have given you a shout. As it was, the whole midfield poured forward, they muscled you out or sat back waiting to get the ball, and they just picked you off.
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Fabregas played too high and tried too hard. We should have dropped Clichy along with Denilson, played 433 as we have all season and started with Nick to give us some focus and make for less of the frottage,
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An unfit Bendtner did much better than Midgetshaving in the time he was given. Bendtner should have started even if only to win headers.
Or at the very least he should have been introduced at half time.
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That's the first time I've heard a manager raise PTSD as an excuse for his team.
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Wenger is an excellent spotter of football youngsters, may be a good or very good tactician and a shit leader. He can't do anything related to the social or psychological aspects.
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We've played Arsenal two more times at OT since knocking them out of Europe, his theory is stupid.
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We've played Arsenal two more times at OT since knocking them out of Europe, his theory is stupid.
And Chelsea have played them four times since around them, scoring 11 and conceding 2.
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Then we started to doubt a little bit and that is where we were insecure because maybe the Man United trauma of the Champions League is what I questioned after the game. Is what happened to us last year in the Champions League still in our mind?

“I believe Man United is maybe a bit in our heads.
Anther amazing thing for Wenger to say. Second time in a week where he's said something to the media that can have no possible effect on his team except a negative one.

Now that he's come out and said that, it's guaranteed that the media will jump on it next time we play, increasing the pressure on his players to beat us. And if we win, it'll grow and then be done even larger the following time, etc.

Basically, he's created something that will get in his own players minds, crushing their confidence and belief when they come up against us.
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