Wenger: the man, the mystery

JayWalker · 28th August 2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Just to be clear, didn't Arsenal declare something like a 60m profit a year or too ago?

I know a lot of that came from property but where did it go?

That on top of making around 60 mil in player sales, 60 mil they could have made in June/July and utilized.

Lance Uppercut · 28th August 2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Team Brian GB

Perhaps but their always seems to be a group of people ready to jump down his throat everytime he posts, some of whom seem to follow him around waiting for something to latch onto.

And they don't have to wait long. He is posting utter garbage and expecting sympathy on a fucking United board. Beggars belief.

Spoony Kobayashi · 28th August 2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

He is asking for it, .

Yep, and his frustrations should be aimed at Arsenal's board and Wenger, not United fans on Redcafe. Although, it's sad seeing them in this predicament, because they're a proper club unlike Chelsea and City. We're going to find City a tough nut to crack, they've got a bottomless pit of cash.. but as someone said, he didn't exactly show any sympathy for Spurs getting slaughtered by the Berties, so he's clearly a hypocrite...one who should look closer to home.

Hectic · 28th August 2011, 19:34

He wanted us to have some regret about beating arsenal 8-2. That's epic stuff really.

Lance Uppercut · 28th August 2011, 19:35

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Just to be clear, didn't Arsenal declare something like a 60m profit a year or too ago?

I know a lot of that came from property but where did it go?

The Sunday Times today states that he has £80 million in the coffers.

alastair · 28th August 2011, 19:35

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Originally Posted by Jopub

Srry I just dont believe in the "no money".

I think its an invention by the PStoreys of this world to protect Wenger and his insane policy of throwing out experienced pros and throwing a few gifted youngsters into a side for years and years. We still had Henry Bergkamp Campbell Silva Cole Pires etc at the club when we reached the CL final in Paris in 2006.

That side was capable of getting far even though on the wane. Criminally Wenger thought lets get rid of them and replace them with 11 Theo Walcotts.

Just to be brief he did'nt consider Chelsea Utd and City would thrown gargantuan sheds of money to get what they wanted to keep ahead of the pack he believed Fabregas would take us onwards. Fine but he should have supported him with players of quality. Found a beaut in Flamini to compliment the young Cesc and promptly threw him to the lions for wanting a few grand a week more but kept the fantastic Eboue

Within months Hleb Silva Lunberg were out and our midfield got 'lighter' and lighter with Rosicky Denilson Diaby and Arshavin. He's never really planned this properly - arrogance in a bizarre belief that this youth would flourish against world class experienced talent at Utd Chelsea City Barca etc

It was never going to have the legs. That's without discussing the defensive and keeping deficiencies

It's obvious to me where we were going and where the final destination of this ludicrous experiment would end and now your'e looking right at it mate - eye of the storm

You know what - I want to disagree, I want to defend Wenger against that post, but I really can't. History is proving that the 04 side was dismantled far too quickly, and it's difficult to argue that the over 30s policy is ludicrous. The only thing I can take issue with is Flamini, which I don't think was anyone's fault really. I imagine Pete will embrace taking this post apart though.

Hectic · 28th August 2011, 19:36

Pete has probably taken himself apart already alastair.

Plan M · 28th August 2011, 19:36

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Team Brian GB · 28th August 2011, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Just to be clear, didn't Arsenal declare something like a 60m profit a year or too ago?

I know a lot of that came from property but where did it go?

£150 Million over three years, plus they report every September so the next figures will arrive shortly.

Irrespective of whether you believe the Wenger line or the board line, it will have gone to dividends. Whilst Arsenal charge absurd ticket prices.

alastair · 28th August 2011, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

And they don't have to wait long. He is posting utter garbage and expecting sympathy on a fucking United board. Beggars belief.

I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm saying that watching Arsenal become shite isn't great for football when the team that takes their place at the top table is Man City who are only there because they've spent £400m. Not really that controversial.

Ole's_toe_poke · 28th August 2011, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Hectic

He wanted us to have some regret about beating arsenal 8-2. That's epic stuff really.

TBH he's accomplished the opposite. I had a tinge of sympathy for the Arsenal kids and fans who must feel shattered.

After reading Alastair's ramblings though.....

Spoony Kobayashi · 28th August 2011, 19:38

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Originally Posted by alastair

I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm saying that watching Arsenal become shite isn't great for football when the team that takes their place at the top table is Man City who are only there because they've spent £400m. Not really that controversial.

But I'm sure you'd rather they win the league than United.

Moyespopper · 28th August 2011, 19:38

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Originally Posted by alastair

You know what - I want to disagree, I want to defend Wenger against that post, but I really can't. History is proving that the 04 side was dismantled far too quickly, and it's difficult to argue that the over 30s policy is ludicrous. The only thing I can take issue with is Flamini, which I don't think was anyone's fault really. I imagine Pete will embrace taking this post apart though.

Genuine question but are the over 30s policy and the situation of Flamini and Nasri Wengers fault or are they decisions made by the board?

Moyespopper · 28th August 2011, 19:39

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Originally Posted by alastair

I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm saying that watching Arsenal become shite isn't great for football when the team that takes their place at the top table is Man City who are only there because they've spent £400m. Not really that controversial.

Yet watching the same City, who've spent that same 400million, battering Spurs is brilliant.

stubie1234 · 28th August 2011, 19:39

Congratulations to Arsenal for scoring more than 1 goal at OT in the Premier League era.

alastair · 28th August 2011, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Spoony Youngblood

But I'm sure you'd rather they win the league than United.

United every time for me. Two horse race between you and Chelsea - you lot for me. That only changed when you were up against Liverpool because they hadn't won it for ages and I quite liked Benitez. This season, I'm 'supporting' United for the title all the way.

Plan M · 28th August 2011, 19:41

Bollocks, you'll be supporting your true love; Liverpool!

MikeUpNorth · 28th August 2011, 19:41

The trouble is Arsenal are going to need to run to stand still. Van Persie will have a year left on his contract next summer and that'll be their last world class player on his way, like Nasri this year.

I'm not saying that they definitely won't make the top four this year, as there's a long way to go, but if they don't, I can't see them attracting the kinds of players needed to plug all these gaps.

Jopub · 28th August 2011, 19:41

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Originally Posted by alastair

You know what - I want to disagree, I want to defend Wenger against that post, but I really can't. History is proving that the 04 side was dismantled far too quickly, and it's difficult to argue that the over 30s policy is ludicrous. The only thing I can take issue with is Flamini, which I don't think was anyone's fault really. I imagine Pete will embrace taking this post apart though.

He can try, but it wont wash.

It's so fking obvious how wrong Wenger has been with all this - for years

alastair · 28th August 2011, 19:42

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Genuine question but are the over 30s policy and the situation of Flamini and Nasri Wengers fault or are they decisions made by the board?

The over 30s I think is Wenger. Flamini was no-one's fault - we actually tried to sell him before, then he had an excellent season, and left. I blame the board for Nasri given we redid about 15 contracts and managed to leave him out.

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Yet watching the same City, who've spent that same 400million, battering Spurs is brilliant.

Christ - brilliant at the time, depressing later on when you realise the bigger picture.

Redlambs · 28th August 2011, 19:42

Even Merson had more of a clue today than Wenger!

Spoony Kobayashi · 28th August 2011, 19:43

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Originally Posted by alastair

United every time for me. Two horse race between you and Chelsea - you lot for me. That only changed when you were up against Liverpool because they hadn't won it for ages and I quite liked Benitez. This season, I'm 'supporting' United for the title all the way.

Fair enough, Alastair...and for it's worth there's a lot you say that I agree with...but asking United fans not to be ecstatic after beating they're biggest on pitch rivals for the best of two decades isn't fair. As I said, your frustrations should be aimed at the board and Mr Wenger. No one else.

MikeUpNorth · 28th August 2011, 19:44

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Originally Posted by Spoony Youngblood

Fair enough, Alastair...and for it's worth there's a lot you say that I agree with...but asking United fans not to be ecstatic after beating they're biggest on pitch rivals for the best of two decades isn't fair. As I said, your frustrations should be aimed at the board and Mr Wenger. No one else.

Their.

JayWalker · 28th August 2011, 19:44

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Originally Posted by MikeUpNorth

The trouble is Arsenal are going to need to run to stand still. Van Persie will have a year left on his contract next summer and that'll be their last world class player on his way, like Nasri this year.

I'm not saying that they definitely won't make the top four this year, as there's a long way to go, but if they don't, I can't see them attracting the kinds of players needed to plug all these gaps.

Yes, the biggest problem being getting back into the Top 4 with the level of competition in the league. Teams will continue to strengthen.

Spoony Kobayashi · 28th August 2011, 19:44

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Originally Posted by MikeUpNorth

Their.

Racist.

AlwaysRedwood · 28th August 2011, 19:45

Is this the right place to congratulate the Arsenal ladies on winning the championship?

JayWalker · 28th August 2011, 19:45

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Originally Posted by MikeUpNorth

Their.

This.

Moyespopper · 28th August 2011, 19:45

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Originally Posted by alastair

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Christ - brilliant at the time, depressing later on when you realise the bigger picture.

it was 'at the time' when you were so surprised at Utd fans doing it, and at least it was our teams result.

If it's depressing in hindsight why wouldn't you have considered that in advance? Surely in a competition between a team with history like Spurs and money rich City you'd have been rooting for Spurs? It'd be better for football like.....

alastair · 28th August 2011, 19:45

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Originally Posted by Spoony Youngblood

Fair enough, Alastair...and for it's worth there's a lot you say that I agree with...but asking United fans not to be ecstatic after beating they're biggest on pitch rivals for the best of two decades isn't fair. As I said, your frustrations should be aimed at the board and Mr Wenger. No one else.

Fair enough. And my frustration is aimed entirely at the board and Wenger - it increases daily because I don't know who deserves the blame more.

Jopub · 28th August 2011, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Genuine question but are the over 30s policy and the situation of Flamini and Nasri Wengers fault or are they decisions made by the board?

Excuse my interference pops

Flamini was on £25,000 a week and wanted double as Cesc got a raise to 80+
Not unreasonable considering the season he had just had. Milan and Juve put £90,000 on te table and left him to think about it. Wenger knew this and left it and by the time talking came Flams decided to fk off

We saved that £25,000 a week - which of course made it easier to pay the much better Eboue his £40,000

!

Jesus fking wept

alastair · 28th August 2011, 19:48

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

it was 'at the time' when you were so surprised at Utd fans doing it, and at least it was our teams result.

If it's depressing in hindsight why wouldn't you have considered that in advance? Surely in a competition between a team with history like Spurs and money rich City you'd have been rooting for Spurs? It'd be better for football like.....

Arsenal weren't involved in the game - I laughed because Spurs were getting battered on their own patch, but we had nothing to do with it. If we'd have been the ones doing it, I'd have been salivating over how wonderful we were. Given we weren't involved, my focus was on Spurs.

And in answer to your second paragraph, it's difficult to think straight when you're watching a game, as I'm sure you're aware. FWIW, let's say Arsenal finished second this year, and Spurs won the league. I'd prefer that to Arsenal finishing second and City winning the league. Strange, but true.

Red Dreams · 28th August 2011, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Jopub

Excuse my interference pops

Flamini was on £25,000 a week and wanted double as Cesc got a raise to 80+
Not unreasonable considering the season he had just had. Milan and Juve put £90,000 on te table and left him to think about it. Wenger knew this and left it and by the time talking came Flams decided to fk off

We saved that £25,000 a week - which of course made it easier to pay the much better Eboue his £40,000

!

Jesus fking wept

bloody ell.

no wonder you hate him.

just irresponsible.

MikeUpNorth · 28th August 2011, 19:49

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Originally Posted by alastair

FWIW, let's say Arsenal finished second this year, and Spurs won the league. I'd prefer that to Arsenal finishing second and City winning the league. Strange, but true.

Why weren't you supporting Spurs today then? Oh that's right, because you're talking complete bollocks.

JayWalker · 28th August 2011, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Jopub

Excuse my interference pops

Flamini was on £25,000 a week and wanted double as Cesc got a raise to 80+
Not unreasonable considering the season he had just had. Milan and Juve put £90,000 on te table and left him to think about it. Wenger knew this and left it and by the time talking came Flams decided to fk off

We saved that £25,000 a week - which of course made it easier to pay the much better Eboue his £40,000

!

Jesus fking wept

Seriously? Flamini was on 25K a week? Christ.

mjs020294 · 28th August 2011, 19:50

Piers Morgan was on FOX Soccer after the game in the US..he absolutely ripped Wenger. Basically said he needs firing ASAP.

alastair · 28th August 2011, 19:50

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Originally Posted by MikeUpNorth

Why weren't you supporting Spurs today then? Oh that's right, because you're talking complete bollocks.

Because you can't bring yourself to support Spurs in a one-off game, because it's human nature not to. It's like how a lot of United fans would never support Liverpool in any match, but wouldn't want them to go down, because they love the rivalry. You might not get that being from London.

Red Dreams · 28th August 2011, 19:51

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Originally Posted by mjs020294

Piers Morgan was on FOX Soccer after the game in the US..he absolutely ripped Wenger. Basically said he needs firing ASAP.

at least he was honest.

Lance Uppercut · 28th August 2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by mjs020294

Piers Morgan was on FOX Soccer after the game in the US..he absolutely ripped Wenger. Basically said he needs firing ASAP.

Not the first time he has said that. Of course, after the first time, he then followed up with a cringeworthy apology some time later.

Good thing nobody gives a fuck what he thinks.

africanspur · 28th August 2011, 19:52

Come on alastair mate. If you'd won at Old Trafford and the score at whl was still the same, you'd still be laughing at us now.

It seems to have only become less of a laughing matter once you'd been trounced just as badly by the other Manchester team.

Ish84045 · 28th August 2011, 19:52

Football365 summed it up well, the biggest damnation for Wenger today wasn't the 8-2 scoreline, or the shambolically disorganised team he sent out today, but SAF's sympathy in admitting he just wanted us to stop scoring.

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africanspur Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,030	Come on alastair mate. If you'd won at Old Trafford and the score at whl was still the same, you'd still be laughing at us now. It seems to have only become less of a laughing matter once you'd been trounced just as badly by the other Manchester team.

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