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Old 25th August 2010, 17:16   #41 (permalink)
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If he is dirty, he is definitely bad at it. I dont think I have ever heard a player getting a bad injury from his tackles.
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Old 25th August 2010, 17:19   #42 (permalink)
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His attack on Fletcher on the other hand didn't have a hint of truth to it, and the response he got from the refs was further proof as to their quality and intergrity.
Fletcher committed 9 fouls in 90 mins against us at OT last season without a card - including a nailed-on penalty not given, for which he might have got a red. Van Bommel who everybody was screaming 'dirty bastard' at in the world cup final made 5 fouls in 120 mins and got a yellow.
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Old 25th August 2010, 17:24   #43 (permalink)
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Fletcher committed 9 fouls in 90 mins against us at OT last season without a card - including a nailed-on penalty not given, for which he might have got a red. Van Bommel who everybody was screaming 'dirty bastard' at in the world cup final made 5 fouls in 120 mins and got a yellow.

The criticism Bommel received wasn't due to the final but all the previous matches where he managed to escape cards.Next to him Fletcher is an angel.
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Old 25th August 2010, 17:29   #44 (permalink)
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Fletcher committed 9 fouls in 90 mins against us at OT last season without a card - including a nailed-on penalty not given, for which he might have got a red. Van Bommel who everybody was screaming 'dirty bastard' at in the world cup final made 5 fouls in 120 mins and got a yellow.
You got official stats anywhere that show he had "9 fouls"?
Fletcher committed 37 fouls in 29 PL games last season. I find it very hard to believe 9 of those came in 90 minutes.

And yes I checked it out. Do get your facts right next time

He committed 6 fouls and suffered 2 vs Arsenal at OT and he commited ZERO and suffered one in the return game at Emirates.

Song also committed 6 fouls in the 2 games vs United
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Fletcher committed 9 fouls in 90 mins against us at OT last season without a card - including a nailed-on penalty not given, for which he might have got a red.
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Old 25th August 2010, 17:38   #46 (permalink)
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Fletcher committed 9 fouls in 90 mins against us at OT last season without a card - including a nailed-on penalty not given, for which he might have got a red. Van Bommel who everybody was screaming 'dirty bastard' at in the world cup final made 5 fouls in 120 mins and got a yellow.
You're not seriously comparing Fletcher and van Bommel, are you?
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Old 25th August 2010, 17:42   #47 (permalink)
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OmGz!!!! What a thug!!!!
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OmGz!!!! What a thug!!!!
6 called by Dean + the pen + 2 others he missed = 9 in 90. Extraordinary not to get a card as Song did for his first offence.
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Old 25th August 2010, 17:49   #49 (permalink)
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6 called by Dean + the pen + 2 others he missed = 9 in 90. Extraordinary not to get a card as Song did for his first offence.
Football is a contact sport. Just because your team is full of pussies doesnt mean the fans have to be too.

Fletcher was making honest tackles as he always does.
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You're not seriously comparing Fletcher and van Bommel, are you?
Harsh on vB based on that game, Fletcher fouled at over 2x the rate.
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Football is a contact sport. Just because your team is full of pussies doesnt mean the fans have to be too.

Fletcher was making honest tackles as he always does.
'Honest' tackles aren't fouls, they're dishonest tackles.
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:10   #52 (permalink)
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'Honest' tackles aren't fouls, they're dishonest tackles.
Exactly. He made honest tackles.
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:12   #53 (permalink)
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He fouled away you fuckwit.
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:19   #54 (permalink)
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Heh. Defeat still rankles.

Surprised pete hasn't had a pop at Pee Neville yet.
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:21   #55 (permalink)
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Just another everyday episode of rank Manc hypocrisy.
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:25   #56 (permalink)
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Just another everyday episode of rank Manc hypocrisy.
Surprising you mention hypocrisy after all the stats on the last page
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6 called by Dean + the pen + 2 others he missed = 9 in 90. Extraordinary not to get a card as Song did for his first offence.
Youre approaching a RAWKish level of fervour on this.

List of fouls that the ref never saw?
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:29   #58 (permalink)
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Youre approaching a RAWKish level of fervour on this.

List of fouls that the ref never saw?
I don't think even you would suggest that clearly tripping Arshavin in the box wasn't a foul. Dean's crapness meant that he was encouraged to keep fouling.
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I know it's hard, but many folks in this thread could do with taking off their red tinted glasses once in a while. I don't see Wenger call Scholes a cunt in that article, and I'd take anything Custis writes with a grain of salt.
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:42   #60 (permalink)
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I know it's hard, but many folks in this thread could do with taking off their red tinted glasses once in a while. I don't see Wenger call Scholes a cunt in that article, and I'd take anything Custis writes with a grain of salt.
“It depends what you call clever and what you call dirty,” said Wenger, who was asked whether he felt Scholes tackled unfairly. “Unfairly, of course, unfairly,” he replied. “How many times have you watched Paul Scholes? Have you seen only fair tackles from Paul Scholes? I don’t want to come out on one specifically but I can remember a few. [They are] a bit in the past, yes, but look at him playing now. He still doesn’t hide. No, I don’t [think his approach is OK]. You ask me about the quality of the player – who wouldn’t like a Paul Scholes in his team? You ask me: ‘Was he a fair player?’ I say: ‘No, I’m sorry, for me he was not a fair player.’ I just think I respect him highly as a quality player. I did not like some things he did on the football pitch and I have the right to say that. It’s not because you are older, suddenly, that you are a saint.”

Wenger then attempted to praise our player but couldn’t do so without again questioning his character.

“Paul Scholes is still one of the greatest football players in England and his contribution to the success of Manchester United is absolutely huge,” he continued. “The regret I have personally is he was not always the fairest player. There’s a little bit of a darker side in him, sometimes, that I did not like.”

I don't get what Wenger's problem here is really. He's called him a player with a dark side, an unfair player. He mistimes his tackles, he gets more than his fair share of yellow cards. What more does "I did see ze incident" want from refs?
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Old 25th August 2010, 18:45   #61 (permalink)
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So how many in here watched the interview?
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So how many in here watched the interview?
But does anyone know what was the question he answered?
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Exactly. He made honest tackles.
Well said Ekeke
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Old 28th August 2010, 01:00   #64 (permalink)
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Typical media over exaggeration, Fergie defends Scholes.

Allardyce does have a few digs at him but he is a bit of a prat or that is the way he comes across anyway.
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Which Arsenal-player is Ferguson talking about ? When defending Scholes he says that there is one Arsenal-player he could mention ... who is he talking about you think ? Song or Diaby ?

I mean - 5-6 years ago there were 4-5 really´obnoxious Arsenal-players (and I would say I had a bigger problem with Keown and Ljungberg than with Vieira) but I am not sure who he talks about in that interview
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Old 28th August 2010, 11:34   #68 (permalink)
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Anyone see what Wenger said about Stoke? Pisser.
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The odd thing about that interview was that he talked about how he didn't run after the media, and thus perhaps not getting the recognition he might've had, and then going on to talk about his "darker side", as if he saw Scholesy's mediashyness as part of his dark side.

BBC Sport - Football - Paul Scholes has a 'darker side' - Arsene Wenger

I think he's just trying to repeat his job on Fletcher last season when he succeeded in making sure the refs went after him for quite a while. Wenger can see what everyone else can see, that Scholes is running the show for us, and if he can turn the refs against him that's surely a good thing for Arsenal. However, he has a better case now than the Fletcher-nonsense. Scholes has certainly got away with a lot of bookable tackles through the years. His attack on Fletcher on the other hand didn't have a hint of truth to it, and the response he got from the refs was further proof as to their quality and intergrity.
I think this hits the nail on the head. Wenger is nothing if not calculating (barring post match) when interacting with our media. He is probably quite uncomfortable with the current vogue in the press of deifying Scholsey and wants to put out the idea of intent in referees minds when they officiate our games. Judging intent is a subjective and tricky aspect of the refs job so, obviously, seeding the idea of a dark side to his game might pay dividends in terms of stacking up suspensions come crucial games later in the campaign.
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