What's happened to Kaka?

RedRover · 16th September 2010, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Devil_forever

You've decided that he's "lost it" after just 1 season at a new club, in a new league, having to get used to a new system, a system which isn't as well suited to him, as the one he played in Milan was?

It's quite a big change and as we've seen by Berbatov rediscovering his form after 2 seasons with us, that form is temporary and class is permanent. Mourinho has spoken about how he wanted Kaka at Chelsea and about how he's always wanted to work with him, I'd back him to get the best out of him too.

Is he not also suffering from the same (or very similar) recurring injuries?Seems he struggled in his last season at Milan as well.

Could be the fact that he's moved to a much better league than he was playing in before, to a team that's not built purely around his strenths? At Milan the team was built around getting the best out of him - wont ever get that at Madrid.

Like Ibrahimovic I can see him back in Italy in the not to distant. Another Serie A superstar doesn't make the grade. Another Shevchenko?

kouroux · 16th September 2010, 13:55

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Originally Posted by gambit28

Wish Pro evo would realise how he's a shadow of his former self.

And FIFA too as he's their cover boy

Rood · 16th September 2010, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Devil_forever

His wages maybe a stumbling block and I can't see Madrid selling to a major rival and not at a fee low enough to make him a worthwhile investment.

Remains to be seen if Kaka is an integral part of Jose's plans or not - he is not going to sit around on the bench and if he wants to leave then it will only be a major rival that can afford him (or City I suppose)

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

kaka will end up at chelsea IMO.

That is also a disinct possbility due to Ancelloti

Ish84045 · 16th September 2010, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Mick1991

So Kaka does the business at Old Trafford (and a lot of you are forgetting he was even better in the away leg) and because of the players he was playing against it doesn't really count?

Well that is a big crock of shit since we weren't playing the bloody Milan of the early nineties. We were playing a Milan on the slide. Then the Ronaldo comparison pops up, ineviatable really, I don't believe in comparing players but on the occasion Ronaldo got destroyed but because Kaka was against a weakened back four that doesn't really count either. But you fail to mention that in the home leg it was Wayne Rooney who performed for United not Ronaldo who in the away leg he was absolutely dominated by Gennaro Gattuso.

But of course Kaka didn't deserve the world player of the year Ronaldo did. Did it ever occur to you lads that maybe it was because Kaka performed truly brilliantly through out the whole champions league campaign? and the little fact that they won it?

Good post.

Albeit Kaka is not the same player he was 3-5 years ago, I cant believe how people are all of a sudden calling him overrated. Remember at the time, Ronaldo pretty much bottled it big time in most "big matches" (myth or not), but Kaka sure did show up that season...when it mattered most.

There is no disputing Ronaldo is the better player, but to all of a sudden say Kaka was ALWAYS overrating is a tad ridiculous IMO - especially as there was no other standout candidate in Europe that season who deserved it more. (let's face it, the UCL has a BIG sway in who gets the WPOTY award.)

Ramshock · 16th September 2010, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Boss

It's not an excuse for playing like shit, what's his excuse at Madrid with the great players they have?

The same excuse as the rest of the top class players at Madrid had. Bad management and no team ethos. Like I said in my post that probably will change under Mourinho!

Crustanoid · 16th September 2010, 14:28

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Originally Posted by Boss

Not really, he hadn't been on form for Milan for 2 seasons before he left, I think Milan knew what they were doing, he was no longer integral

Yep, you have to laugh. He cost at least 30 mil more than his current value. Stupid Real thickos

Gambit · 16th September 2010, 14:31

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Originally Posted by kouroux

And FIFA too as he's their cover boy

Pissed off with seeing him skin everyone ala messi and ronaldo.

Ekeke · 16th September 2010, 14:33

Lost pace/acceleration and never had the consistancy to be rated as highly as he was.

Ish84045 · 16th September 2010, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

Yep, you have to laugh. He cost at least 30 mil more than his current value. Stupid Real thickos

Yeah, if only they sold him to Shitty for 100M, wasn't it?

jojojo · 16th September 2010, 15:20

He was playing injured last season and really scarcely played at all after November. He's out now until January with a knee injury that also affected his WC.

Will he ever get his form back? Difficult to do at Madrid - he'll be competing for playing time with people like Ozil and Canales, at a key time of year, so he'd have to be in top form instantly. The big question right now is will he ever get his fitness back to even be able to try.

Rowem · 16th September 2010, 15:22

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Originally Posted by Boss

Chelsea don't need him

They didn't need Deco either, but Scolari wanted him. Nor did they need Ballack, or Shevchenko, or Zhirkov.

I'm sure Ancelotti would love to sign Kaka.

jojojo · 18th September 2010, 10:54

Inter-Kakà, la trattativa entra nel vivo

claiming that Inter will try and get him in January and that Benitez has told Moratti that he wants him.

Poor lad.

Suedesi · 25th March 2011, 15:36

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Originally Posted by esmufc11

Used to be a fantastic player (Though always felt he was slightly overrated by the media) but since his move to Madrid he just seems to have lost it. I know he's had a lot of problems with injury and he's currently out at the minute but when he's fit again will he be able to get back into the side? If Mourinho can get him back to the player he once was though then Madrid really could be the team to beat this year.

He never had it. He is a very very good player, however his energy in a league with technical brilliance but no pace (Serie A) really flattered him.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo had an x-factor. Kaka' never did imo.

Mick1991 · 25th March 2011, 16:16

Injuries.

Ringo 07 · 25th March 2011, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

He never had it. He is a very very good player, however his energy in a league with technical brilliance but no pace (Serie A) really flattered him.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo had an x-factor. Kaka' never did imo.

Thats just not true. You dont win World player of the year award and Champions league in the same year if you are not a class act. Just cause he is not a messi type player who beats 3 players at a go doesnt mean he is nto still incredible. In 2007 he was phenomenal, scored many often long range screamers, had lightening pace and set up many goals. Kaka's best days are past him but I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a club next season where he can showcase his brilliance again.

B20 · 25th March 2011, 17:24

Kaka never really tore up the Serie A. He made his name in the CL and for Brazil.

MadDogg · 25th March 2011, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Ringo 07

Thats just not true. You dont win World player of the year award and Champions league in the same year if you are not a class act. Just cause he is not a messi type player who beats 3 players at a go doesnt mean he is nto still incredible. In 2007 he was phenomenal, scored many often long range screamers, had lightening pace and set up many goals. Kaka's best days are past him but I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a club next season where he can showcase his brilliance again.

Which was a joke. He won it simply because Milan beat us in the CL and he had played brilliantly well in the tie before he faced us (I think it was the previous tie anyway), leading everyone and everywhere to make out it was a straight Ronaldo vs Kaka battle in that tie to see who was the best player in the world. Never mind Ronaldo was playing with an injured ankle. Never mind we could barely put a backline together. Never mind he was, at best, the third best player for Milan over the two legs. Never mind Totti was easily the best player in the Serie A that season.

Kaka was obviously a great player. But he was at the level that Rooney was last season, (maybe slightly higher at most), but certainly not at the next level which Ronaldo started to reach that same season.

Suedesi · 25th March 2011, 17:30

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Originally Posted by B9

Kaka never really tore up the Serie A. He made his name in the CL and for Brazil.

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

Which was a joke. He won it simply because Milan beat us in the CL and he had played brilliantly well in the tie before he faced us (I think it was the previous tie anyway), leading everyone and everywhere to make out it was a straight Ronaldo vs Kaka battle in that tie to see who was the best player in the world. Never mind Ronaldo was playing with an injured ankle. Never mind we could barely put a backline together. Never mind he was, at best, the third best player for Milan over the two legs. Never mind Totti was easily the best player in the Serie A that season.

Kaka was obviously a great player. But he was at the level that Rooney was last season, (maybe slightly higher at most), but certainly not at the next level which Ronaldo started to reach that same season.

Both are right. Kaka's contribution to AC and in Serie A were over hyped.

RDCR07 · 25th March 2011, 17:33

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

Which was a joke. He won it simply because Milan beat us in the CL and he had played brilliantly well in the tie before he faced us (I think it was the previous tie anyway), leading everyone and everywhere to make out it was a straight Ronaldo vs Kaka battle in that tie to see who was the best player in the world. Never mind Ronaldo was playing with an injured ankle. Never mind we could barely put a backline together. Never mind he was, at best, the third best player for Milan over the two legs. Never mind Totti was easily the best player in the Serie A that season.

Kaka was obviously a great player. But he was at the level that Rooney was last season, (maybe slightly higher at most), but certainly not at the next level which Ronaldo started to reach that same season.

Exactly! Who did we have in central defence? Was it Heinze and O'Shea? No wonder he tore us one. And everybody just says it didn't matter who was in central defense for us, he would have tore us a new one anyway.

Suedesi · 25th March 2011, 17:41

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

Exactly! Who did we have in central defence? Was it Heinze and O'Shea? No wonder he tore us one. And everybody just says it didn't matter who was in central defense for us, he would have tore us a new one anyway.

AC Milan: Dida, Oddo, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Gattuso (Cafu 84), Pirlo, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Kaka (Favalli 86), Inzaghi (Gilardino 66).
Subs Not Used: Kalac, Bonera, Serginho, Brocchi.

Booked: Ambrosini, Gattuso.

Goals: Kaka 11, Seedorf 30, Gilardino 78.

Man Utd: Van der Sar, O'Shea (Saha 77), Brown, Vidic, Heinze, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Rooney.
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Ferdinand, Smith, Solskjaer, Richardson, Eagles.

Booked: Ronaldo.

Att: 78,500

Ref: Frank De Bleeckere (Belgium).

This was Vidic' first game after a broken collarbone, he was clearly unfit. No Evra, no Rio and right after playing a gruelling PL mach while Milan rested all their players in Serie A. Fckers.

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Cristiano Ronaldo, who started on the left, was hardly in the game, Ryan Giggs was similarly anonymous, while Wayne Rooney's touch deserted him.

The England striker was guilty of giving the ball away on numerous occasions but at least his errors were nowhere near as catastrophic as Gabriel Heinze's moment of madness.

As United tried to play their way out of defence, the left-back inexplicably passed back to Vidic, who then compounded his team-mate's error by slipping as he scrambled to clear.

Milan regained possession and the ball eventually fell for Seedorf, who rode Vidic's challenge before finding the same corner as Kaka.

Amir · 25th March 2011, 20:09

Actually it's this: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Brown, Heinze, Evra, Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs.

As we're talking about the 3-2 win in which Kaka scored twice.

RedDevilCanuck · 25th March 2011, 21:47

Sign him.

Alex · 25th March 2011, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

AC Milan: Dida, Oddo, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Gattuso (Cafu 84), Pirlo, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Kaka (Favalli 86), Inzaghi (Gilardino 66).
Subs Not Used: Kalac, Bonera, Serginho, Brocchi.

Booked: Ambrosini, Gattuso.

Goals: Kaka 11, Seedorf 30, Gilardino 78.

Man Utd: Van der Sar, O'Shea (Saha 77), Brown, Vidic, Heinze, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Rooney.
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Ferdinand, Smith, Solskjaer, Richardson, Eagles.

Booked: Ronaldo.

Att: 78,500

Ref: Frank De Bleeckere (Belgium).

This was Vidic' first game after a broken collarbone, he was clearly unfit. No Evra, no Rio and right after playing a gruelling PL mach while Milan rested all their players in Serie A. Fckers.

I remember Seedorf's goal being very well taken in a torrential downpour

Mockney · 26th April 2012, 14:23

Couldn't see a bump. Absolutely fucking dire when he came on yesterday. I don't think he did one good thing the whole time he was on. Only just 30 too last leek. Late 20s should be the peak of a creative centre mid.

The Brazilian curse? Injury blighted? He's certainly not in the mould of the party lovers who stop giving a fuck. I can't really find adequate words for how bangerwrongingly ball cheese he looked last night.

rcoobc · 26th April 2012, 14:26

He's almost a completely different player from the one that destroyed us. Has been for a rather large number of years. It's a shame he didn't stay at Milan to be honest, he could have rode into his twilight an important but bit-part player like Giggs has done for us.

Mockney · 26th April 2012, 14:34

Say what you like about Fat Ronnie, but he was still banging them in as a fat arse even after all the injuries. He never 'lost it' until he completely stopped caring a couple years ago back in Brazil. Kaka seems to have done a Torres since he went to Madrid, injuries of course permitting.

Too knee jerk to say maybe he wasn't really ever 'that' good? BPITW good. Just pretty good with a couple of sublime seasons? (probably is, but fuck it, I'm putting it out there for debates sake)

Adam-Utd · 26th April 2012, 14:40

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Originally Posted by Mockney

Couldn't see a bump. Absolutely fucking dire when he came on yesterday. I don't think he did one good thing the whole time he was on. Only just 30 too last leek. Late 20s should be the peak of a creative centre mid.

The Brazilian curse? Injury blighted? He's certainly not in the mould of the party lovers who stop giving a fuck. I can't really find adequate words for how bangerwrongingly ball cheese he looked last night.

Thought he got down the outside of the bayern defence quite a few times, but never really had a target too pull the ball back too.

hes certainly gone a bit torres, but not half as bad as your making out.

B20 · 26th April 2012, 14:45

I always thought he was a tad overrated. Too easily marked out of games if you put a proper defensive midfielder on him and didn't really consistently set serie A alight. Zlatan outshined him in Italy, but Kaka delivered the goods for Brazil and in Europe and built a better reputation.

Was a bit shocked to see him play last night though. It's one thing that his physique can go, but how did he become so slow and uninspired of thought, how did his passing become so average? It's rare to see a player look so out of place in a team, nevermind a former world player of the year.

MikeUpNorth · 26th April 2012, 14:46

A combination of injuries, arrogance and complacency has done for him.

kietotheworld · 26th April 2012, 14:50

Probably a bit over-rated on the back of his performance against us in 2007, that's what won him the Ballon d'Or and our defence really wasn't up to much that season. Mascherano had his number in the Final until Benitez took him off for Crouch, 4 minutes later he put Inzaghi through for the killer goal.

Mockney · 26th April 2012, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Adam-Utd

he's certainly gone a bit torres, but not half as bad as your making out.

Probably fair. I only really remember one instance of him getting the better of his man though.. and then just hitting in hope. I'm sure he looked worse just by virtue of being Kaka tho.

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Originally Posted by B19

I always thought he was a tad overrated. Too easily marked out of games if you put a proper defensive midfielder on him and didn't really consistently set serie A alight. Zlatan outshined him in Italy, but Kaka delivered the goods for Brazil and in Europe and built a better reputation.

.... world player of the year.

I've always thought that WPOTY was the classic example of CL bias. As you say he wasn't amazing in Seria A. I think they finished 4th, and rested all their players before their big CL ties. Was he ever really the man for Brazil? I remember being a bit underwhelmed with him in World Cups. He could've been great in the Copa for all I know though.

Sarni · 26th April 2012, 14:53

He's done, he will probably be back in Brazil next year unless Real can find a club in Europe who will pay them good money for him - maybe Anzhi or something. Perhaps PSG could take him, Ancelotti enjoyed working with him.

davisjw · 26th April 2012, 14:55

Overrated? He was immense at his peak.

I think his problem is that he wasn't used to being benched (so lower confidence) and injuries. He needs to get out of there. The question is where will he go? AC have no room, they've moved on. Chelsea is still a bet. He could replace Lampard for a few years.

The problem with Kaka is he always came across as sensitive, talking about his family and father figures at AC. I think Real is just a cold, cold place without any support.

Fergie can cure him.

Mockney · 26th April 2012, 15:01

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Originally Posted by davisjw

Chelsea is still a bet. He could replace Lampard for a few years.

But could he do it on a cold windy night in Stoke?

Jimy_Hills_Chin · 26th April 2012, 15:04

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Originally Posted by B19

I always thought he was a tad overrated. Too easily marked out of games if you put a proper defensive midfielder on him and didn't really consistently set serie A alight. Zlatan outshined him in Italy, but Kaka delivered the goods for Brazil and in Europe and built a better reputation.

Was a bit shocked to see him play last night though. It's one thing that his physique can go, but how did he become so slow and uninspired of thought, how did his passing become so average? It's rare to see a player look so out of place in a team, nevermind a former world player of the year.

I always thought he was overrated. Classy player no doubt but it isn't a great surprise to me to see him declining like this.

That said, he has had a minor renaissance for Madrid these past couple of months and I actually thought he was more dangerous than any of the other Madrid midfielders last night.

Zen · 26th April 2012, 15:04

Lampard is still capable of a 15 goal 10 assist season without actually playing his usual 60 every single minute played games....I don't think Kaka is actually capable of replacing him at all. He's struggling to get anywhere near those numbers in a team that scores like 3 times as many as Chelsea and where he's given more space.

I think he's more capable of replacing Giggs....but at the price he'd come for, it's not worth it anyway.

LoveInTheAsylum · 26th April 2012, 15:19

He was maybe overrated as a footballer (never sure how the hell to write that, but in terms of interacting with teammates), but was still one of the world's best players while at Milan. Madrid badly overrated him in terms of the transfer as there were already injury concerns. He has always been, like Torres, a direct player who relies a lot on physical traits. All his play in the final third was with the goal in mind, so that when he lost that explosivity his whole game went to pot.

Brwned · 26th April 2012, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Mockney

I've always thought that WPOTY was the classic example of CL bias. As you say he wasn't amazing in Seria A. I think they finished 4th, and rested all their players before their big CL ties. Was he ever really the man for Brazil? I remember being a bit underwhelmed with him in World Cups. He could've been great in the Copa for all I know though.

I think he was good in the Confederations Cup back when Adriano was good, and he was maybe the best of the 4 (Adriano, Ronaldinho, Kaka and Ronaldo) in 2006 but yeah I don't think he ever brought his best form to any international tournaments. He was excellent in the qualifiers for the 2010 World Cup and then largely invisible once they got there.

Agree about the 06/07 award, but he was clearly the best player in that Champions League. Top scorer in it yet not even in the top 25 in the Serie A and didn't even hit double figures, and I remember him drifting in and out of games regularly and for a big game player he really didn't step up in the big league games I saw.

Zen · 26th April 2012, 16:10

Mascherano did a right number on him in the Final too. Probably one of Rafa's worst choices to randomly take him off......if i remember correctly, it took Kaka like 20 seconds after that sub to create a chance that Inzaghi should of scored...and then a few minutes later did actually score from a Kaka pass.

mboRa ndomHer0723 · 26th April 2012, 17:28

How serious were his knee injuries (or was it 1 injury)? That injury has definitely robbed him of his pace which definitely helped him get past defenders. I heard the other week that his knee is basically bone on bone now which must make it be painful to play and recover from.

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16th September 2010, 14:33	#48 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,459	Lost pace/acceleration and never had the consistancy to be rated as highly as he was.

16th September 2010, 15:20	#50 (permalink)
jojojo First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Engaged in a Valencian standoff with some Barca fans - Viva United Posts: 9,863	He was playing injured last season and really scarcely played at all after November. He's out now until January with a knee injury that also affected his WC. Will he ever get his form back? Difficult to do at Madrid - he'll be competing for playing time with people like Ozil and Canales, at a key time of year, so he'd have to be in top form instantly. The big question right now is will he ever get his fitness back to even be able to try.

18th September 2010, 10:54	#52 (permalink)
jojojo First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Engaged in a Valencian standoff with some Barca fans - Viva United Posts: 9,863	Inter-Kakà, la trattativa entra nel vivo claiming that Inter will try and get him in January and that Benitez has told Moratti that he wants him. Poor lad.

25th March 2011, 16:16	#54 (permalink)
Mick1991 First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 6,208	Injuries.

25th March 2011, 17:24	#56 (permalink)
B20 From YNWA Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The name is B19 Posts: 13,723	Kaka never really tore up the Serie A. He made his name in the CL and for Brazil.

25th March 2011, 20:09	#61 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 17,343	Actually it's this: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Brown, Heinze, Evra, Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs. As we're talking about the 3-2 win in which Kaka scored twice.

25th March 2011, 21:47	#62 (permalink)
RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The GTA Posts: 4,125	Sign him.

26th April 2012, 14:23	#64 (permalink)
Mockney Not the only poster to be named Poster of the Year twice Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangerang Posts: 29,040	Couldn't see a bump. Absolutely fucking dire when he came on yesterday. I don't think he did one good thing the whole time he was on. Only just 30 too last leek. Late 20s should be the peak of a creative centre mid. The Brazilian curse? Injury blighted? He's certainly not in the mould of the party lovers who stop giving a fuck. I can't really find adequate words for how bangerwrongingly ball cheese he looked last night.

26th April 2012, 14:26	#65 (permalink)
rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The treble gone Posts: 23,010	He's almost a completely different player from the one that destroyed us. Has been for a rather large number of years. It's a shame he didn't stay at Milan to be honest, he could have rode into his twilight an important but bit-part player like Giggs has done for us.

26th April 2012, 14:34	#66 (permalink)
Mockney Not the only poster to be named Poster of the Year twice Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bangerang Posts: 29,040	Say what you like about Fat Ronnie, but he was still banging them in as a fat arse even after all the injuries. He never 'lost it' until he completely stopped caring a couple years ago back in Brazil. Kaka seems to have done a Torres since he went to Madrid, injuries of course permitting. Too knee jerk to say maybe he wasn't really ever 'that' good? BPITW good. Just pretty good with a couple of sublime seasons? (probably is, but fuck it, I'm putting it out there for debates sake)

26th April 2012, 14:45	#68 (permalink)
B20 From YNWA Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The name is B19 Posts: 13,723	I always thought he was a tad overrated. Too easily marked out of games if you put a proper defensive midfielder on him and didn't really consistently set serie A alight. Zlatan outshined him in Italy, but Kaka delivered the goods for Brazil and in Europe and built a better reputation. Was a bit shocked to see him play last night though. It's one thing that his physique can go, but how did he become so slow and uninspired of thought, how did his passing become so average? It's rare to see a player look so out of place in a team, nevermind a former world player of the year.

26th April 2012, 14:46	#69 (permalink)
MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 14,254	A combination of injuries, arrogance and complacency has done for him.

26th April 2012, 14:50	#70 (permalink)
kietotheworld Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12,656	Probably a bit over-rated on the back of his performance against us in 2007, that's what won him the Ballon d'Or and our defence really wasn't up to much that season. Mascherano had his number in the Final until Benitez took him off for Crouch, 4 minutes later he put Inzaghi through for the killer goal.

26th April 2012, 14:53	#72 (permalink)
Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan. Thinks hes intelligent though. Nutter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Krakow Posts: 25,701	He's done, he will probably be back in Brazil next year unless Real can find a club in Europe who will pay them good money for him - maybe Anzhi or something. Perhaps PSG could take him, Ancelotti enjoyed working with him.

26th April 2012, 14:55	#73 (permalink)
davisjw First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,263	Overrated? He was immense at his peak. I think his problem is that he wasn't used to being benched (so lower confidence) and injuries. He needs to get out of there. The question is where will he go? AC have no room, they've moved on. Chelsea is still a bet. He could replace Lampard for a few years. The problem with Kaka is he always came across as sensitive, talking about his family and father figures at AC. I think Real is just a cold, cold place without any support. Fergie can cure him.

26th April 2012, 15:04	#76 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,281	Lampard is still capable of a 15 goal 10 assist season without actually playing his usual 60 every single minute played games....I don't think Kaka is actually capable of replacing him at all. He's struggling to get anywhere near those numbers in a team that scores like 3 times as many as Chelsea and where he's given more space. I think he's more capable of replacing Giggs....but at the price he'd come for, it's not worth it anyway.

26th April 2012, 15:19	#77 (permalink)
LoveInTheAsylum Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tucson to Tucumcari Posts: 997	He was maybe overrated as a footballer (never sure how the hell to write that, but in terms of interacting with teammates), but was still one of the world's best players while at Milan. Madrid badly overrated him in terms of the transfer as there were already injury concerns. He has always been, like Torres, a direct player who relies a lot on physical traits. All his play in the final third was with the goal in mind, so that when he lost that explosivity his whole game went to pot.

26th April 2012, 16:10	#79 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,281	Mascherano did a right number on him in the Final too. Probably one of Rafa's worst choices to randomly take him off......if i remember correctly, it took Kaka like 20 seconds after that sub to create a chance that Inzaghi should of scored...and then a few minutes later did actually score from a Kaka pass.

26th April 2012, 17:28	#80 (permalink)
mboRa ndomHer0723 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 10,563	How serious were his knee injuries (or was it 1 injury)? That injury has definitely robbed him of his pace which definitely helped him get past defenders. I heard the other week that his knee is basically bone on bone now which must make it be painful to play and recover from.