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Old 1st February 2012, 08:33   #201 (permalink)
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They also have all the big games at home against the rivals for 4th. Chelsea, Arsenal and next up Spurs.
And with that kind of form Chelsea are in, Liverpool and Arsenal got a good chance now. Hope Spurs can keep it up to finish 3rd.
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Old 1st February 2012, 08:33   #202 (permalink)
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What started off so poorly for Liverpool has really been turned around. Four points below 4th, a Carling Cup Final, and a FA Cup 5th round meeting with Brighton. If Liverpool take 4th hope a few on this forum admit they where wrong about Dalglish. Not that they will
He´s a fucking cunt for how he dealt with with Evra. Fuck him no matter where Liverpool finish.
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Old 1st February 2012, 08:38   #203 (permalink)
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He´s a fucking cunt for how he dealt with with Evra. Fuck him no matter where Liverpool finish.
This is also a very good point.

He's a bitter, horrible cunt who isn't going to win them the league at any point and will end up having to slope off into the sunset with his dreams in tatters.
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Old 1st February 2012, 08:40   #204 (permalink)
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We may have had half our squad missing, but we had had 5 days rest to prepare for the game compared to Liverpool's 2 days. We couldn't have asked for a better time to play them, and still lost.

2 big games this weekend, if Liverpool beat Tottenham at home and we beat Chelsea away that would put Liverpool just 1 point off 4th. Of course the games are as likely to go the other way. We shall see at the end of the weekend I guess.

Newcastle and Arsenal could also both draw level with Chelsea if they win today and on Saturday.
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Old 1st February 2012, 08:40   #205 (permalink)
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He´s a fucking cunt for how he dealt with with Evra. Fuck him no matter where Liverpool finish.
True, but a null argument.
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Old 6th February 2012, 22:09   #206 (permalink)
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Liverpool's recent league form:

LDLWD

Hopefully we'll add another 'L' to that on Saturday. Not good enough to finish 4th.
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Old 11th March 2012, 10:19   #207 (permalink)
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Spurs run in
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Code:
17 March 2012	Bolton Wanderers	H	FA Cup
21 March 2012	Stoke City		H				
24 March 2012	Chelsea			A				
1 April 2012	Swansea City		H				
7 April 2012	Sunderland		A				
9 April 2012	Norwich City		H				
15 April 2012	Bolton Wanderers	A				
21 April 2012	Queens Park Rangers	A				
29 April 2012	Blackburn Rovers	H				
6 May 2012	Aston Villa		A				
13 May 2012	Fulham			H

Arsenal run in.
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Code:
12 March 2012 	H	 Newcastle United
21 March 2012 	A	 Everton 
24 March 2012	H	 Aston Villa	 
31 March 2012	A	 QPR 	 
08 April 2012	H	 Manchester City 
11 April 2012	A	 Wolverhampton W.	 
16 April 2012	H	 Wigan Athletic
21 April 2012	H	 Chelsea
28 April 2012	A	 Stoke City
05 May 2012	H	 Norwich	 
13 May 2012	A	 W.B.A.

Chelsea run in.
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Code:
14 March 2012 	Napoli			H	Champions League
18 March 2012 	Leicester City		H	FA Cup
21 March 2012 	Manchester City		A		
24 March 2012 	Tottenham Hotspur	H	
31 March 2012 	Aston Villa		A
7 April 2012	Wigan Athletic		H		
9 April 2012 	Fulham			A		
14 April 2012 	Newcastle United	H		
21 April 2012	Arsenal			A	
29 April 2012 	QPR			H
6 May 2012	Liverpool		A	
13 May 2012	Blackburn Rovers	H

Liverpool run in
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Code:
13 Mar 2012		Everton		H	
18 Mar 2012		Stoke City	H	FA Cup
21 Mar 2012		QPR		A	
24 Mar 2012		Wigan		H	
1 Apr 2012		Newcastle	A	
7 Apr 2012		Aston Villa	H		
10 Apr 2012		Blackburn	A	
14 Apr 2012		Fulham		H		
22 Apr 2012		West Brom	H			
28 Apr 2012		Norwich		A
6 May 2012		Chelsea		H
13 May 2012		Swansea		A

Newcastle United run in
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Code:
12 Mar 2012	A	Arsenal		
18 Mar 2012	H	Norwich City		
25 Mar 2012	A	WBA	
01 Apr 2012	H	Liverpool		
06 Apr 2012	A	Swansea City		
09 Apr 2012	H	Bolton		
14 Apr 2012	A	Chelsea		
21 Apr 2012	H	Stoke City		
28 Apr 2012	A	Wigan Athletic		
06 May 2012	H	Manchester City		
13 May 2012	A	Everton

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Old 11th March 2012, 10:21   #208 (permalink)
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Tottenham's run in are all winnable fixtures, Chelsea is the one outlier. Arsenal have a harder run in, Chelsea have hard and easy ones.

Come on you North London Clubs!
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Old 11th March 2012, 10:35   #209 (permalink)
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It'd be amazing if Chelsea finished 5th after an investment of over £120m last year. In harmony with my prediction last year though when I had been saying for entire season that they weren't as amazingly wonderful as people on here thought.
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:07   #210 (permalink)
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Liverpool invested £100m and they look like coming 7th. I'd say that's amazing.
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:12   #211 (permalink)
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Out of interest

Does anyone know what the highest points total (and the lowest) has been for the 4th placed team over say the last 10 years?

ThaT should give us some idea what the target should be

My guess is 72 points should gain certain 4th spot
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:15   #212 (permalink)
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76, Liverpool 2008. In the early to mid 2000's 4th place was finishing with little over 60, very early 00 and late 90's, as well as the late 00's they where finishing with 70+

Liverpool where also lowest with 60 in 2004.
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:20   #213 (permalink)
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last 6 years 68,70,72,76,68,67,
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:25   #214 (permalink)
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Liverpool invested £100m and they look like coming 7th. I'd say that's amazing.
Yes but they pumped that money into a crap team and got a crap team out of it. Chelsea spent the money to improve a good side and what they got as a result is a disrupted, disorganized crap team.
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:26   #215 (permalink)
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76, Liverpool 2008. In the early to mid 2000's 4th place was finishing with little over 60, very early 00 and late 90's, as well as the late 00's they where finishing with 70+

Liverpool where also lowest with 60 in 2004.
2004 was a season when it looked at some point as if Charlton Athletic would finish 4th.

Charlton.
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:27   #216 (permalink)
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Charlton.
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Old 11th March 2012, 11:28   #217 (permalink)
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last 6 years 68,70,72,76,68,67,
Thanks for that

As the race is so close for 4th spot and given how many points have been dropped by the top sides, my guess is that 4th spot will not be as high as 76

My guess of 72 doesn't look far off

Do you think I will be as prophetic as Pete who hereafter should be referred to as Prophetic Pete ("a prophet in his own land" etc)
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Old 11th March 2012, 12:18   #218 (permalink)
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Yeah, but they never had that good a team. Parker was their best player that season probably, they had a winger whose name I forgot that was doing quite well and they had one prolific striker that I cannot recall either.
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Old 11th March 2012, 12:23   #219 (permalink)
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Yeah, but they never had that good a team. Parker was their best player that season probably, they had a winger whose name I forgot that was doing quite well and they had one prolific striker that I cannot recall either.
My football club used to take me to a few of their games, but I never really followed them. They had some good future or current players like Luke Young, Konchesky, Darren Bent, Danny Murphy, Paolo Di Canio (for one season), but the majority of their squad was probably players that looking back, where punching far above their weight.
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My football club used to take me to a few of their games, but I never really followed them. They had some good future or current players like Luke Young, Konchesky, Darren Bent, Danny Murphy, Paolo Di Canio (for one season), but the majority of their squad was probably players that looking back, where punching far above their weight.
Hermann Hreidarsson being one of them, the lad was relegated with too many sides to remember.
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Yeah, but they never had that good a team. Parker was their best player that season probably, they had a winger whose name I forgot that was doing quite well and they had one prolific striker that I cannot recall either.
Rommedhal was it? They did play some pretty sweet football with pacy him and some other random players, can't remember who though.
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Rommedhal was it? They did play some pretty sweet football with pacy him and some other random players, can't remember who though.
Yes, it was Rommedahl, a somewhat surprise buy from Ajax I think. I remember Matt Holland being quite good in midfield too.
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Old 11th March 2012, 13:53   #223 (permalink)
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Liverpool's recent league form:

LDLWD

Hopefully we'll add another 'L' to that on Saturday. Not good enough to finish 4th.
Well, ourselves, Arsenal AND Sunderland added another 3 losses to that amazing run they're on!

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Looks like Newcastle may have just been knocked out of contention for 4th. 8 pts in 10 games is a lot to ask.
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Old 12th March 2012, 22:19   #225 (permalink)
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Saw this on Twitter, made me laugh:

Also, funny as fuck arsenal and spurs so excited about finishing 3rd! To nick a Danny Baker phrase, like 2 bald men fighting over a comb
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Saw this on Twitter, made me laugh:

Also, funny as fuck arsenal and spurs so excited about finishing 3rd! To nick a Danny Baker phrase, like 2 bald men fighting over a comb
A comb that is worth a lot of money.
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Old 12th March 2012, 22:39   #227 (permalink)
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Looks like Newcastle may have just been knocked out of contention for 4th. 8 pts in 10 games is a lot to ask.
Yep, I don't see them contending for it now. Looks like they're in their own mini battle for 6th place with Liverpool now, unless someone like Sunderland or Everton can get into the mix late on and make it a 3-horse race.
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After Chelsea, Spurs have some winnable fixtures. So that should be enough for them to get third spot, especially if Arsenal struggle at Everton and at Stoke. Think they can get something at home against Manchester City, mind.
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I think the Bummers will reign in the Spuds and take 3rd place ( hopefully beating City in the process....) - as for Tottingham , they need to turn things around quickly as Chelski could nick the 4th spot.

I know the Spuds fixture list looks easier after the 'Bridge, but they've always shown themselves capable of dropping points to the so called "poor" teams at home....

Squeeky Bum time for Spuds defo.

As for Toon, I'm sure they'll be delighted with a European place, they have had a good season compared to their expectations, but they need to start winning again soon.
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Delighted (and amazed) at Wenger's ability to inspire a renaissance at Le Arse after such a terrible start to the season. Amazing that they are now just one point behind Spurs and more importantly, have the upward momentum fully in their dressing room. Can see them finishing 3rd and with ease. Just goes to demonstrate Wenger's class, having lost the Carling Cup last year and then 2 star players in Fabregas and Nasri in the summer.

Who knows when SAF will leave, but if the timings worked out, I'd love to have him at Old Trafford as a short term stop gap transitioning SAF leaving and a new chap coming in .... though hopefully that is still a few years away.

Spurs in alot of trouble. Harry;s head is all over the place and that uncertainty has clearly filtered itself into his dressing room, reflected by their recent results. They really need to sort their shit out very quickly .... as expected, the mercenaries at Chavski have had 'the bump factor' having managed to get yet another manager sacked.

I dont know why Roman just does not get on with it and make Terry Player Manager - he is anyway!) .... but Chavski have the experience to stage a late surge and sneak into 4th, leaving Spurs high and dry (good for us and we can have another go at getting Modric!).

I just pray Chavski fail to make the top 4 because it will make me laugh ALOT!
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If Arsenal can hang on then they're into 3rd ahead of Tottenham, if Spurs don't turn it around against Stoke.
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So, Spurs being Spurs again.
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QPR winning. That's Liverpool out of fourth place contention.
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Draw was bad for Spurs. They have Chelsea at the weekend now. They were shit today but still can't see them losing to Spurs at home. So that could be at least another 2 points dropped at least. Arsenal are going to sew up the third pretty soon
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Big win for Arsenal. First league cleansheet at Everton since 2002 where they started a 14 match winning streak.
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Old 21st March 2012, 21:57   #237 (permalink)
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Old 21st March 2012, 21:59   #238 (permalink)
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Thankyou City. Thankyou Stoke.

Don't worry United, we will do the business against City.
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Old 21st March 2012, 23:10   #239 (permalink)
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A win for Chelsea against Tottenham and it's wide open, anything else and Spurs have a big advantage. But not one so big you can't see them screwing it up without trying very hard.
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Yep, I don't see them contending for it now. Looks like they're in their own mini battle for 6th place with Liverpool now, unless someone like Sunderland or Everton can get into the mix late on and make it a 3-horse race.
It does look unlikely now and we'd need a miraculous collapse from spurs/chels + a great run of our own. A toon and chelsea win this weekend makes it 4 points between 4th and 6th (spurs 54, chelsea 52, toon 50) which would make for a fantastic battle for that last spot over the final 8. I haven't looked at all the runins yet so I don't know who has the best chances at it. (( I don't really expect to overtake either of them. ))

Will still be over the moon if we get into Europa, mind. Definitely wasn't a pre-season expectation so to still be strong contenders there right now is great. We've really benefited from having that monster start during our leaner winter months and need to finish strong.
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