Worst referee - 2008/9

032Devil · 17th September 2008, 21:42

Man Utd vs Villarreal

Wolfgang Stark of Germany - Besides the usual questionable decision he denied us 2 clear penalties.

Even Andy Gray admitted that!

R.Nilsson7 · 17th September 2008, 21:45

His decision to give Tevez a yellow card was shocking as well.

Man-United · 17th September 2008, 21:45

Awful really. How can he not give yellows after the challenges on Tevez and Fletcher on the first half as well?
Omg..

RedThaiDevils#7 · 17th September 2008, 21:49

Referees get on my nerve. I don't watch many other full matches but I think Manutd have been denied the most PK in the whole world.

SiYuan · 17th September 2008, 22:07

Gers and Man Utd.

Never did go hand in hand did they. Revenge for 99 I suppose.

ecantona7 · 17th September 2008, 22:32

He was wrong in most of his decisions. He goes and gives Evra a freekick when he clearly slipped and then gives fuck all when park is fouled and no yellow on a studs up tackle on fletcher that was very late. He gave a freekick when he shouldn't have and no penalty when it was clearly a foul.

Skelter · 17th September 2008, 22:33

Alan Wiley's up there.

MUFCgal · 17th September 2008, 22:54

He was awful, just awful really. Two shocking challenges on Park and Fletcher went unpunished yet he books Tevez for something not nearly as bad, two blatant penalties turned down. Their players diving all over the pitch, that went unpunished too. It seemed anytime one of us so much as breathed near them, they went down.

Youngie · 17th September 2008, 23:06

Best one was where he blocked one of our attacks by not getting the fuck out of the way...he and both linesmen were shockingly inept... we are getting nothing at the moment but I'm hoping we get all the breaks we are due at the 'business' end of the season.

Nistelrooy10 · 17th September 2008, 23:13

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Originally Posted by ecantona7

He was wrong in most of his decisions. He goes and gives Evra a freekick when he clearly slipped and then gives fuck all when park is fouled and no yellow on a studs up tackle on fletcher that was very late. He gave a freekick when he shouldn't have and no penalty when it was clearly a foul.

Evra was fouled a split second earlier, he might have given the advantage, then changed his mind, as he should, once Evra lost his footing.

And the Park foul, so be fair, was never a pk, Park was running outside out of the box.

We have no one to blame but ourselves

reelworld · 17th September 2008, 23:19

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Originally Posted by Nistelrooy10

Evra was fouled a split second earlier, he might have given the advantage, then changed his mind, as he should, once Evra lost his footing.

And the Park foul, so be fair, was never a pk, Park was running outside out of the box.

We have no one to blame but ourselves

Park was fouled twice.
The first one even though he was running out of the box, his foot was still in the penalty area. Should've been a penalty
The second one was when he was quicker than the defender to push the ball forward, only get taken down in the box. Stonewall penalty.

Striker10 · 17th September 2008, 23:21

can we add the linesman in there too because I think they're a waste of money

SiYuan · 17th September 2008, 23:21

There was a very audible bone crunching and a korean "ahhhhhhh" that park went down.

We all know Asians dont dive.

Nistelrooy10 · 17th September 2008, 23:25

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Originally Posted by reelworld

Park was fouled twice.
The first one even though he was running out of the box, his foot was still in the penalty area. Should've been a penalty
The second one was when he was quicker than the defender to push the ball forward, only get taken down in the box. Stonewall penalty.

I forgot about that one, I was angry Nani didn't take a shot

olesmyhero · 17th September 2008, 23:25

The Villareal players spent a lot of time on the ground looking for calls.

noodlehair · 17th September 2008, 23:26

The ref in the Celtic game managed to send the wrong player off, then refused to change his mind after this had been pointed out to him.

That's going to take some topping

samabachan · 17th September 2008, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Youngie

Best one was where he blocked one of our attacks by not getting the fuck out of the way...he and both linesmen were shockingly inept... we are getting nothing at the moment but I'm hoping we get all the breaks we are due at the 'business' end of the season.

To be fair to him, on that occasion the we wouldn't have had the ball in the first place as he blocked a Villareal player's run first, who would probably have beaten (Fletch?) to the ball, meaning we wouldn't have had it in the first place.

Actually, tha just makes him even more of a cunt!

Danish Voice · 17th September 2008, 23:36

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Originally Posted by reelworld

Park was fouled twice.
The first one even though he was running out of the box, his foot was still in the penalty area. Should've been a penalty
The second one was when he was quicker than the defender to push the ball forward, only get taken down in the box. Stonewall penalty.

The first one was a certain penalty. I'm not so sure about the second one though.

holyland red · 17th September 2008, 23:38

He also missed Nani elbowing some Spanish geezer in the face, didn't he?

Danish Voice · 17th September 2008, 23:38

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Originally Posted by noodlehair

The ref in the Celtic game managed to send the wrong player off, then refused to change his mind after this had been pointed out to him.

That's going to take some topping

He was a quality ref. The player who should have been sent off was in my fantasy team because some other bloke did not play. He scored me 6 points

kietotheworld · 17th September 2008, 23:47

The first one, fair enough, the linesman should have called it, the second one was inexplicable. How can it possibly be a Goal Kick with no Booking for diving?

The Hairdryer · 18th September 2008, 00:42

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Originally Posted by 032Devil

Man Utd vs Villarreal

Wolfgang Stark of Germany - Besides the usual questionable decision he denied us 2 clear penalties.

Even Andy Gray admitted that!

They weren't two clear penalties. The second one from where the ref was standing would have looked like the Villereal player got a touch on the ball. Impossible to call. The first one Park made the most of it. Ref probably thought he might have been attempting to win a penalty. So hard to fucking call these days when you have players trying to cheat every chance they get.

Yeah besides that, sure the ref made a couple of other mistakes but it's part of the game. The main thing was the game was played in the right spirit and he pulled all the stupid tackles up and didn't let it turn into a kicking fest while letting it flow for the most part. Can't ask for much more than that.

I don't know why people expect the refs to have flawles games. Name one player tonight that had a flawless game and didn't make one stupid decision or miscontrol a pass or mis hit a shot or easy pass? Why are refs held to higher standard than players and aren't expected to make a single mistake? Cristiano Ronaldo got paid a GBP130k this week. You know how much the ref gets paid for European duty? Probably about 600 euro.

Refs make mistakes too FFS. Part of the game. No point whingeing about it.

MrMarcello · 18th September 2008, 00:50

Not sure if this is clear cut or an interpretation, but when Ronaldo was offside but retreating while Fletcher was advancing (he was onside) and the ball was played to Ronaldo who gained possession onside, should play have been allowed to carry on? Ronaldo did not gain an advantage. He was onside and retreating when he gained possession.

The Hairdryer · 18th September 2008, 00:54

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

Not sure if this is clear cut or an interpretation, but when Ronaldo was offside but retreating while Fletcher was advancing (he was onside) and the ball was played to Ronaldo who gained possession onside, should play have been allowed to carry on? Ronaldo did not gain an advantage. He was onside and retreating when he gained possession.

Doesn't matter when you gain possesion. It was when the ball was played. When the ball was played Ronaldo was in an offside position.

Christofaux · 18th September 2008, 02:23

Walcott took a kicking all game against Kiev. It didnt seem to affect him though which is good for Arsenal and England.

Definately going to the ref in the celtic game who sent Beauchamp off isntead of some other bloke... infact all 3, referee and 2 linesmen for that one. Team never ref again.

olesmyhero · 18th September 2008, 02:23

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

Not sure if this is clear cut or an interpretation, but when Ronaldo was offside but retreating while Fletcher was advancing (he was onside) and the ball was played to Ronaldo who gained possession onside, should play have been allowed to carry on? Ronaldo did not gain an advantage. He was onside and retreating when he gained possession.

If Ronaldo hadn't touched it, and Fletcher did, play would have continued. Since Ronlado was offside he can't touch the ball until a new series of offside situation starts. I think.

Christofaux · 18th September 2008, 02:28

If the ball is played to you while you are offside and you gain possession onside your offside, you have gained an advantage from being offside, theres nothing confusing about it.

MrMarcello · 18th September 2008, 03:14

My view is Ronaldo was slightly offside as the ball was played, he was retreating, and when he gained possession he was well onside and going away from goal - no advantage gained by any means. In all actuality he interfered by gaining possession going away from goal and stopping Fletcher from getting a great through ball into the box.

The Hairdryer · 18th September 2008, 03:44

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

My view is Ronaldo was slightly offside as the ball was played, he was retreating, and when he gained possession he was well onside and going away from goal - no advantage gained by any means. In all actuality he interfered by gaining possession going away from goal and stopping Fletcher from getting a great through ball into the box.

Those decisions are given offside everytime. Bread and Butter for a linesman.

UnofficialDevil · 18th September 2008, 09:32

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Originally Posted by holyland red

He also missed Nani elbowing some Spanish geezer in the face, didn't he?

Yes it did look like that..

Spammy · 18th September 2008, 11:28

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Originally Posted by RedThaiDevils#7

Referees get on my nerve. I don't watch many other full matches but I think Manutd have been denied the most PK in the whole world.

17th September 2008, 21:42	#1 (permalink)
032Devil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13,508	Worst referee - 2008/9 Man Utd vs Villarreal Wolfgang Stark of Germany - Besides the usual questionable decision he denied us 2 clear penalties. Even Andy Gray admitted that!

17th September 2008, 21:45	#2 (permalink)
R.Nilsson7 First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dimitar Berbatov's balcony Posts: 6,072	His decision to give Tevez a yellow card was shocking as well.

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Man-United Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,387	Awful really. How can he not give yellows after the challenges on Tevez and Fletcher on the first half as well? Omg..

17th September 2008, 21:49	#4 (permalink)
RedThaiDevils#7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: THAILAND Posts: 903	Referees get on my nerve. I don't watch many other full matches but I think Manutd have been denied the most PK in the whole world.

17th September 2008, 22:07	#5 (permalink)
SiYuan Cafe Grandmaster 2008 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Where Crouch is a Midget. Posts: 6,873	Gers and Man Utd. Never did go hand in hand did they. Revenge for 99 I suppose.

17th September 2008, 22:32	#6 (permalink)
ecantona7 unlucky bet winner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Whatever happens, there are always things you could have done better. You score two goals and you usually feel you could have done better.You score two goals and you usually feel you could have scored a third. That's what makes you progress in life. Posts: 7,611	He was wrong in most of his decisions. He goes and gives Evra a freekick when he clearly slipped and then gives fuck all when park is fouled and no yellow on a studs up tackle on fletcher that was very late. He gave a freekick when he shouldn't have and no penalty when it was clearly a foul.

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Skelter Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,880	Alan Wiley's up there.

17th September 2008, 22:54	#8 (permalink)
MUFCgal Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belfast,Northern Ireland Posts: 4,070	He was awful, just awful really. Two shocking challenges on Park and Fletcher went unpunished yet he books Tevez for something not nearly as bad, two blatant penalties turned down. Their players diving all over the pitch, that went unpunished too. It seemed anytime one of us so much as breathed near them, they went down.

17th September 2008, 23:06	#9 (permalink)
Youngie Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: "Ach..away and print yer Shite!" Posts: 2,863	Best one was where he blocked one of our attacks by not getting the fuck out of the way...he and both linesmen were shockingly inept... we are getting nothing at the moment but I'm hoping we get all the breaks we are due at the 'business' end of the season.

17th September 2008, 23:21	#12 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,729	can we add the linesman in there too because I think they're a waste of money

17th September 2008, 23:21	#13 (permalink)
SiYuan Cafe Grandmaster 2008 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Where Crouch is a Midget. Posts: 6,873	There was a very audible bone crunching and a korean "ahhhhhhh" that park went down. We all know Asians dont dive.

17th September 2008, 23:25	#15 (permalink)
olesmyhero has a lazy eye...japs eye Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 4000+ miles west of old trafford Posts: 12,013	The Villareal players spent a lot of time on the ground looking for calls.

17th September 2008, 23:26	#16 (permalink)
noodlehair Sacked Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 31,843	The ref in the Celtic game managed to send the wrong player off, then refused to change his mind after this had been pointed out to him. That's going to take some topping

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holyland red First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 9,407	He also missed Nani elbowing some Spanish geezer in the face, didn't he?

17th September 2008, 23:47	#21 (permalink)
kietotheworld Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Airstrip One..... Useful Posts: 4 Posts: 4,012	The first one, fair enough, the linesman should have called it, the second one was inexplicable. How can it possibly be a Goal Kick with no Booking for diving?

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MrMarcello First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Saha's hospital room Posts: 19,121	Not sure if this is clear cut or an interpretation, but when Ronaldo was offside but retreating while Fletcher was advancing (he was onside) and the ball was played to Ronaldo who gained possession onside, should play have been allowed to carry on? Ronaldo did not gain an advantage. He was onside and retreating when he gained possession.

18th September 2008, 02:23	#25 (permalink)
Christofaux Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,757	Walcott took a kicking all game against Kiev. It didnt seem to affect him though which is good for Arsenal and England. Definately going to the ref in the celtic game who sent Beauchamp off isntead of some other bloke... infact all 3, referee and 2 linesmen for that one. Team never ref again.

18th September 2008, 02:28	#27 (permalink)
Christofaux Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,757	If the ball is played to you while you are offside and you gain possession onside your offside, you have gained an advantage from being offside, theres nothing confusing about it.

18th September 2008, 03:14	#28 (permalink)
MrMarcello First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Saha's hospital room Posts: 19,121	My view is Ronaldo was slightly offside as the ball was played, he was retreating, and when he gained possession he was well onside and going away from goal - no advantage gained by any means. In all actuality he interfered by gaining possession going away from goal and stopping Fletcher from getting a great through ball into the box.