Would you swap Messi for Ronnie?

francobaresi · 13th May 2008, 16:19

Putting injuries aside, would you swap?

samabachan · 13th May 2008, 16:20

No. How many goals has Messi scored this season when he's played?

Raven_Blade · 13th May 2008, 16:21

No. Ronaldo is a truly complete player, Messi does many things well but he is not complete.

KeyserSoze · 13th May 2008, 16:22

No chance. Ronaldo is clearly the more well rounded player.

Ronaldo No.9 · 13th May 2008, 16:23

I wouldnt swap Ronaldo for anyone.

Brad · 13th May 2008, 16:24

Like Rooney, Messi is more than just his goals contribution. Others will score more because he plays

I think overall, Messi is the best player, when you consider both playing at their best. But I wouldn't swap for Ronaldo, you couldn't. Ronaldo has proven himself in the Premiership, he's been on fire for two years at this club now. And he's a United player, he's establishing himself as an all time club great

I want them both!

Bape · 13th May 2008, 16:24

Why would you even ask this?

Nanison · 13th May 2008, 16:24

You don't swap a worldclass player with another worldclass player. What's the point? I would swap the likes of Park and Nani.

I believe Messi will easily score 20+ goals if he stays fit, he is often in a scoring position, he has the same instinct as our Ronnie

FlawlessThaw · 13th May 2008, 16:24

No, can't put injuries aside on this one.

Red Dreams · 13th May 2008, 16:24

No...for the simple reason....Ronaldo is going to be a lot better

20le_Solskjaer · 13th May 2008, 16:25

Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership

francobaresi · 13th May 2008, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Bape

Why would you even ask this?

You don't think this is a relevant question? Then you are blind

RedKaos · 13th May 2008, 16:25

If we ever sadly get rid of ronnie, then he'll be more than a competent replacement.

francobaresi · 13th May 2008, 16:29

Imagine if we signed him! Jesus christ!

francobaresi · 13th May 2008, 16:29

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Originally Posted by 20le_Solskjaer

Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership

bullshit

Kaiketsu_Zorro · 13th May 2008, 16:30

No, but if I were to choose one player I want, it would be Messi.

Striker10 · 13th May 2008, 16:32

no BUT messi at united would have the same wow factor

PJ · 13th May 2008, 16:32

good god no

francobaresi · 13th May 2008, 16:33

If you can't appreciate Messi, you have no soul

sonymobby · 13th May 2008, 16:33

Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership

francobaresi · 13th May 2008, 16:34

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Originally Posted by sonymobby

Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership

Complete toss

Red Dreams · 13th May 2008, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by francobaresi

If you can't appreciate Messi, you have no soul

appreciating Messi has nothing to do with wanting to swap him for Ronaldo....Ronaldo imo is just a more complete player...and he is going to get better.

Bape · 13th May 2008, 16:35

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Originally Posted by francobaresi

You don't think this is a relevant question? Then you are blind

Not on a Manchester united forum, no.
Not to manchester united fans, no.

This is just another Ronaldo vs Messi question, but only brainless fan would say they'll swap Ronaldo for Messi (despite whoever is the better player)

francobaresi · 13th May 2008, 16:36

I never said i would swap him, i merely asked the question

sonymobby · 13th May 2008, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Bape

Not on a Manchester united forum, no.
Not to manchester united fans, no.

This is just another Ronaldo vs Messi question, but only brainless fan would say they'll swap Ronaldo for Messi (despite whoever is the better player)

And of course it's all relative as they play in different leagues which ask for different things from the players. La liga is slower, less athletic while the Premiership is faster and stronger. So Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership.

FranklyVulgar · 13th May 2008, 16:41

For all those saying Ronaldo is going to get better do they not think Messi can improve also? being 20 and all?

Also how could Messi not handle the prem? He has performed against the two best defences in the prem and performed fairly well so i think lesser defenders than Chelsea and United have would somehow not cope aswell?

Zarate is about as small as Messi and done ok so far in the Prem? Honestly its about the worst arguement i've ever heard.

Ronaldo couldn't cut it in spain

AttackingFlair · 13th May 2008, 16:42

No, I wouldn't even think about swapping. Not many wingers are going to score you 41 goals a season. Ronaldo becoming extremely clinical is very very important to us on top of what else he offers. He can score with every part of his body he's invaluable.

On the flip side, it's understandable that Barca fans wouldn't swap their Messi for our Ronaldo either.

PJ · 13th May 2008, 16:42

even IF you were to concede that they were equally as good, ronnie has settled into the squad, why disturb that?

Brad · 13th May 2008, 16:42

Franco, you wouldn't seriously swap a player who has become one of the best in the world, if not the best, at your club. I think that's fair to say

The problem with these discussions is that people who probably don't even see Messi play that much come on and start spouting absolute garbage about how he goes missing, how he hasn't got A B and C to his game, how he lacks this and that, how he definately wouldn't make it in the Premiership etc. And you can't have a rational debate with these people. There are questions over Messi regarding his fitness, he has a reoccuring injury that led to him missing significant periods of the last few seasons. But his talent and his game are absolutely magnificent, I've seen teams put 3 men on him to try and negate his impact. And they still don't succeed. He's a phenomenon, and not overhyped. Hopefully he'll sort his injury problems out, and get a clean run like Ronaldo has for the last 2 years

FranklyVulgar · 13th May 2008, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Brad

Franco, you wouldn't seriously swap a player who has become one of the best in the world, if not the best, at your club. I think that's fair to say

The problem with these discussions is that people who probably don't even see Messi play that much come on and start spouting absolute garbage about how he goes missing, how he hasn't got A B and C to his game, how he lacks this and that, how he definately wouldn't make it in the Premiership etc. And you can't have a rational debate with these people. There are questions over Messi regarding his fitness, he has a reoccuring injury that led to him missing significant periods of the last few seasons. But his talent and his game are absolutely magnificent, I've seen teams put 3 men on him to try and negate his impact. And they still don't succeed. He's a phenomenon, and not overhyped. Hopefully he'll sort his injury problems out, and get a clean run like Ronaldo has for the last 2 years

Ah Brad, how can someone have such a superb opinion on Messi yet have no time for Fletcher!

kanchelskis14 · 13th May 2008, 16:44

He's the only player in the world that could ease the pain of losing Ronaldo. If we ever felt we had to let Ronnie go, Fergie, or whoever the manager is, should not do it unless they can guarantee getting this kid.

kanchelskis14 · 13th May 2008, 16:45

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Originally Posted by sonymobby

And of course it's all relative as they play in different leagues which ask for different things from the players. La liga is slower, less athletic while the Premiership is faster and stronger. So Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership.

Right, so basically, Messi cannot handle the premiership, he can just handle premiership teams?

Brad · 13th May 2008, 16:45

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Ah Brad, how can someone have such a superb opinion on Messi yet have no time for Fletcher!

It's not no time for Fletcher Vulgar, it's just putting his qualities and contribution into context!

13th May 2008, 16:19	#1 (permalink)
francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,495	Would you swap Messi for Ronnie? Putting injuries aside, would you swap?

13th May 2008, 16:20	#2 (permalink)
samabachan Cockface McSticklebrick Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: He plays on the left, he plays on the riiiiiiiight, our boy Ronaldo made you look shite. Posts: 2,992	No. How many goals has Messi scored this season when he's played?

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ronaldo Thread. Posts: 13,847	No. Ronaldo is a truly complete player, Messi does many things well but he is not complete.

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KeyserSoze Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It, Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher. A Peerless, Psycho Butcher. Posts: 4,085	No chance. Ronaldo is clearly the more well rounded player.

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Ronaldo No.9 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: To be the man, you have to beat the man and I am the man Posts: 2,222	I wouldnt swap Ronaldo for anyone.

13th May 2008, 16:24	#6 (permalink)
Brad The Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 17,111	Like Rooney, Messi is more than just his goals contribution. Others will score more because he plays I think overall, Messi is the best player, when you consider both playing at their best. But I wouldn't swap for Ronaldo, you couldn't. Ronaldo has proven himself in the Premiership, he's been on fire for two years at this club now. And he's a United player, he's establishing himself as an all time club great I want them both!

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Bape Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,309	Why would you even ask this?

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Nanison Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,172	You don't swap a worldclass player with another worldclass player. What's the point? I would swap the likes of Park and Nani. I believe Messi will easily score 20+ goals if he stays fit, he is often in a scoring position, he has the same instinct as our Ronnie

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 8,313	No, can't put injuries aside on this one.

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Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 10,152	No...for the simple reason....Ronaldo is going to be a lot better

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20le_Solskjaer Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere...In the midst of our glory Posts: 1,223	Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership

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RedKaos Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tentacles in my mouthLOL Posts: 2,488	If we ever sadly get rid of ronnie, then he'll be more than a competent replacement.

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francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,495	Imagine if we signed him! Jesus christ!

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Kaiketsu_Zorro A follower of Manchunism Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Polska Posts: 1,236	No, but if I were to choose one player I want, it would be Messi.

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Striker10 First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,118	no BUT messi at united would have the same wow factor

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PJ Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: derry/belfast Posts: 858	good god no

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francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,495	If you can't appreciate Messi, you have no soul

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sonymobby spoilt whiner Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,669	Messi would not be able to handle the Premiership

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francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,495	I never said i would swap him, i merely asked the question

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FranklyVulgar Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In amoungst the pigs raising hell Posts: 1,627	For all those saying Ronaldo is going to get better do they not think Messi can improve also? being 20 and all? Also how could Messi not handle the prem? He has performed against the two best defences in the prem and performed fairly well so i think lesser defenders than Chelsea and United have would somehow not cope aswell? Zarate is about as small as Messi and done ok so far in the Prem? Honestly its about the worst arguement i've ever heard. Ronaldo couldn't cut it in spain

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 2,405	No, I wouldn't even think about swapping. Not many wingers are going to score you 41 goals a season. Ronaldo becoming extremely clinical is very very important to us on top of what else he offers. He can score with every part of his body he's invaluable. On the flip side, it's understandable that Barca fans wouldn't swap their Messi for our Ronaldo either.

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PJ Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: derry/belfast Posts: 858	even IF you were to concede that they were equally as good, ronnie has settled into the squad, why disturb that?

13th May 2008, 16:42	#29 (permalink)
Brad The Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 17,111	Franco, you wouldn't seriously swap a player who has become one of the best in the world, if not the best, at your club. I think that's fair to say The problem with these discussions is that people who probably don't even see Messi play that much come on and start spouting absolute garbage about how he goes missing, how he hasn't got A B and C to his game, how he lacks this and that, how he definately wouldn't make it in the Premiership etc. And you can't have a rational debate with these people. There are questions over Messi regarding his fitness, he has a reoccuring injury that led to him missing significant periods of the last few seasons. But his talent and his game are absolutely magnificent, I've seen teams put 3 men on him to try and negate his impact. And they still don't succeed. He's a phenomenon, and not overhyped. Hopefully he'll sort his injury problems out, and get a clean run like Ronaldo has for the last 2 years

13th May 2008, 16:44	#31 (permalink)
kanchelskis14 Transfer Enthusiast Join Date: May 2004 Location: The slums of Hackney Posts: 12,262	He's the only player in the world that could ease the pain of losing Ronaldo. If we ever felt we had to let Ronnie go, Fergie, or whoever the manager is, should not do it unless they can guarantee getting this kid.