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Old 13th May 2008, 16:51   #41 (permalink)
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If I was manager and could sell ronaldo to Real for 100m and get messi for 50m, and messi sorts out his injuries, then fuck yes ill take messi.

This is only based on the condition that ronaldo will leave in a few years. If he doesn't leave, then fuck no.
That wouldn't exactly be swapping Ronaldo for Messi.

That would be swapping Ronaldo for Messi + £50m
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Ronaldo couldn't cut it in La Liga
Why's that? It's slower than La Liga and he would be given a lot of time on the ball. I believe that he would do wonders there.
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Old 13th May 2008, 16:52   #43 (permalink)
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Why's that? It's slower than La Liga and he would be given a lot of time on the ball. I believe that he would do wonders there.
Ronaldo would probably score 300 goals per season down in Spain...
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Old 13th May 2008, 16:53   #44 (permalink)
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Why's that? It's slower than La Liga and he would be given a lot of time on the ball. I believe that he would do wonders there.
We'll soon find out
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Ronaldo would probably score 300 goals per season down in Spain...
Absolutely, and that's without the freekicks...
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That wouldn't exactly be swapping Ronaldo for Messi.

That would be swapping Ronaldo for Messi + £50m
True, but,

I was basically stating what my conditions would be if we had to lose ronaldo for messi.
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We'll soon find out
So you'd like us to sell him to Real in order for us to be able to compare him to Methi?
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how many free kicks has Ronnie scored this season?
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Old 13th May 2008, 16:57   #49 (permalink)
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So you'd like us to sell him to Real in order for us to be able to compare him to Methi?
Where did I say Id like us to sell him?
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Where did I say Id like us to sell him?
It was just a logical conclusion and an attempt to sarcasm.
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:02   #51 (permalink)
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how many free kicks has Ronnie scored this season?
how many has Messi?
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:03   #52 (permalink)
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The logical conclusion is for us to sign Messi of course
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He's the only player in the world that could ease the pain of losing Ronaldo. If we ever felt we had to let Ronnie go, Fergie, or whoever the manager is, should not do it unless they can guarantee getting this kid.

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hell no.

Messi is a brilliant player, but i think Ronaldo is better, more complete and certainly better suited to our style of play and our league.

look at his goals this season: right foot, left foot and headers. his pace and physique. his athleticism. we can ping a high ball forward and count on him to make something of it. we can ping it into space and count on him to chase and win it. he suits us.

i can't see Messi doing this for us.
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The logical conclusion is for us to sign Messi of course
Where would Methi play?
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:05   #55 (permalink)
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He didn't handle us he just dribbled past Evra once and had a good chance in the 2nd leg. Also, we weren't in for reckless challenge's and were as cautious as we could possibly be.
He coped fine playing against us, and has coped fine playing against Chelsea. I'm sure that, if say Villa made the Champions League, he'd cope fine playing against them too.

He would cope fine in the premiership, assuming it is still football that we play here.
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:06   #56 (permalink)
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Where would Methi play?
Messi on the right, Ronnie on the left
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:14   #57 (permalink)
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Messi on the right, Ronnie on the left
4-4-2? Has he ever played there? Ronnie compared to him is a traditional winger, if you get what I say. He's more like a wide second striker, cutting in, combining with strikers and scoring a relatively small amount of goals. Relative to Ronnie's tally!
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:19   #58 (permalink)
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If I was using my head, then yes. As well as Messi being every bit as good as Ronaldo (if not slightly better), he is a few years younger.

If I was using my heart (which I rarely do), I would say no.
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:21   #59 (permalink)
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If I was using my head, then yes. As well as Messi being every bit as good as Ronaldo (if not slightly better), he is a few years younger.

If I was using my heart (which I rarely do), I would say no.
If you were using your head, you wouldn't have dismissed the 41 goals Ronaldo has scored this season and the fact that Messi has recurring injury (yeah I know what the OP said but you have to take that into account).
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:28   #60 (permalink)
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If you were using your head, you wouldn't have dismissed the 41 goals Ronaldo has scored this season and the fact that Messi has recurring injury (yeah I know what the OP said but you have to take that into account).
I wouldn't dismiss Ronaldo's 41 goals, I would weigh them up against the obvious attacking talent of Messi, and the way he can create chances out of nowhere. Messi's age would be the clincher.

Obviously I'm talking hypothetically here, ignoring all of the complications that would result in such a swap.
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:31   #61 (permalink)
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Ronaldo is the far superior player at the moment. Messi can't boast a goal tally anything like he has, and whilst Messi could be better than Ronnie in the future, Ronaldo IS the best in the world.
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How many of you would swap Rooney for Messi?
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:33   #63 (permalink)
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If I was using my head, then yes. As well as Messi being every bit as good as Ronaldo (if not slightly better), he is a few years younger.

If I was using my heart (which I rarely do), I would say no.
Messi is not 'every bit' as good as Ronaldo, his end product isnt even close to Ronaldo's nor is his consistency in shooting (not to mention the height and strength disadvantage)

At the end of the day, Messi still often suffers from the 'too much dribble, too less end product' syndrome. I'm not doubting for one second his talent or how good he is, but sometimes, because his style of play is so attractive and mesmerizing, people seem to overwank themselves when half of them probably don't even watch the premier division enough.
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Ronaldo is the single most devastating attacking midfielder I have ever seen in my lifetime. Not even Maradona had two domestic years like that. And the boy gets better and better. Why would I want to swap him for an injury prone albeit immensely talented player?
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I see Messi as more of a winger then Ronaldo is. He is a better dribbler (Ronaldo is magnificent on that but Messi is even better and more effective) and a better assist man then our Ronaldo.

Stating that, Ronaldo is a better goal machine then Messi. He is tougher, taller, better in air, he has more of an eye to goal and would slot in better positions to score then Messi.

To conclude Im always a bit pessimistic about world class players moving from one league to another. Veron failed in England, Gazza in Italy etc. For sure if Messi had to come to England he will have to modify his style and start releasing the ball earlier. I cant see the English defenders be happy of having midgets dribble past them and make them look like fools. Ronaldo learnt the lesson and he is much tougher then Messi.
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:36   #66 (permalink)
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Ronaldo is the single most devastating attacking midfielder I have ever seen in my lifetime. Not even Maradona had two domestic years like that. And the boy gets better and better. Why would I want to swap him for an injury prone albeit immensely talented player?
Are you telling me Ronaldo is better then Maradona?
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:37   #67 (permalink)
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Like Rooney, Messi is more than just his goals contribution. Others will score more because he plays

I think overall, Messi is the best player, when you consider both playing at their best. But I wouldn't swap for Ronaldo, you couldn't. Ronaldo has proven himself in the Premiership, he's been on fire for two years at this club now. And he's a United player, he's establishing himself as an all time club great

I want them both!
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:38   #68 (permalink)
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Messi is younger too.
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Are you telling me Ronaldo is better then Maradona?
I'm telling you that Maradona never scored 70 plus goals in two seasons.
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Old 13th May 2008, 17:40   #70 (permalink)
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Are you telling me Ronaldo is better then Maradona?
Maradona is a better dribbler because he has a lower centre of mass. Messi is the same. That's why they need to use their hands in order to score headers. That was just a small parenthesis so don't take it into account!
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