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Old 13th May 2008, 18:15   #81 (permalink)
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For the record, I wouldn't swap, but I'd be tempted

I would however give my right testicle to see them in the same team
Same here.
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Old 13th May 2008, 18:17   #82 (permalink)
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no, Ronaldo's more complete and better than messi, hope this helps.
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Old 13th May 2008, 18:18   #83 (permalink)
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So, did any buffoon say yes?
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Old 13th May 2008, 18:20   #84 (permalink)
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So, did any buffoon say yes?
Would you swap Messi for Torres?

Considering they are both attacking players
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So, did any buffoon say yes?
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Only if he isn't injury-prone.
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Old 13th May 2008, 19:12   #87 (permalink)
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Ronaldo is the single most devastating attacking midfielder I have ever seen in my lifetime. Not even Maradona had two domestic years like that.
Which is proof that goals isn't everything. Let's be serious - Ronaldo is not in diego's league.
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Old 13th May 2008, 19:13   #88 (permalink)
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Would you swap Messi for Torres?

Considering they are both attacking players
I would.
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No, wouldn't even swap Rooney or Tevez for Messi.
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FranklyVulgar didn't see this thread yet.
I did, i said Ronaldo couldn't cut it in La Liga

Hypothetically i would of course do it, everyone knows i'm a big Messi fan and i have rated him higher than Ronaldo sinse i seen him play.

But the fact remains he is at Barca for life, he is their product, their main man and the fans favourite. Where Ronaldo has already stated he wants to play in spain or italy Messi has said he only wants to play for Barca.

Now Ronaldo has been wonderful but they are completely different characters both on and off the pitch and Messi will feel settled at Barca where as Ronaldo will one day go to a massive spanish or italian club whichever is the flavour at the time. Not for a few years yet though.

Still who knows what Ronaldo will be like in 2-4years or Messi. People saying Messi is more of a winger than Ronaldo are wrong, his future is in the middle behind a striker, basically a free role across the attacking midfield way.
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Old 13th May 2008, 19:16   #91 (permalink)
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No, wouldn't even swap Rooney or Tevez for Messi.
weird.
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Which is proof that goals isn't everything. Let's be serious - Ronaldo is not in diego's league.
What Maradona did in football is unique. To take Napoli and break the serie a big guns is an unbelievable achievment. Not to mention what he did for his country. If Ronaldo elevates and stars for Portugal and they win a major then he will take a massive step towards being a legend.
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weird.
Messi will spend about as much time in the treatment room as Saha, so I'd rather have the likes of Rooney & Tevez PLAYING...

As for Ronaldo, he's just a better player than Messi.
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Which is proof that goals isn't everything. Let's be serious - Ronaldo is not in diego's league.
yet... it could all change by 2010 if he wins the WC for Portugal...
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Not a chance in hell. Messi may be extremely talented and have a fancy southern name... but so does our Portuguese footballing god!
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Old 13th May 2008, 19:28   #97 (permalink)
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Not a chance in hell. Messi may be extremely talented and have a fancy southern name... but so does our Portuguese footballing god!
Ronaldo has two though. Both Cristiano and Ronaldo are fancy!
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Ronaldo has two though. Both Cristiano and Ronaldo are fancy!
Indeed, two southern names are clearly better than one!
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Old 13th May 2008, 19:32   #99 (permalink)
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Messi will spend about as much time in the treatment room as Saha, so I'd rather have the likes of Rooney & Tevez PLAYING...

As for Ronaldo, he's just a better player than Messi.
The thread states if injuries are kept aside.
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Old 13th May 2008, 19:49   #101 (permalink)
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Maradona did unbelivable things things that ronaldo will not to do or is unlikely to do. Maradona had a will to win which separates him from most players in history, he had fire in his belly. To take an ordinary argentina side to world cup glory and to take a quie ordinary napoli squad to seria a champions is hard to surpass.

He could influence how a whole team around him played although he could basically do everything himself. Its hard to see weather ronaldo or messi will get to his level. In my heart I am a ronaldo fan but I see messi having a better chance. The thing messi have over ronaldo is that eye for a pass, id say his general creativity is a bit better.
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The thread states if injuries are kept aside.
That's just silly, how could you compare an injury-free Messi to other players when that injury-free Messi simply doesn't exist?

He spends months out every season.
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Old 13th May 2008, 20:13   #103 (permalink)
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That's just silly, how could you compare an injury-free Messi to other players when that injury-free Messi simply doesn't exist?

He spends months out every season.
It is a shame that he has such problems and i hope he gets them sorted out. But any player can be unlucky with injuries even the iron men Terry and Lampard have been suffering alot Recently.

All it takes is one bad tackle and any player can end up out for months. Hopefully Messi can stay injury free in the future and show why many consider him the best more often.
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It is a shame that he has such problems and i hope he gets them sorted out. But any player can be unlucky with injuries even the iron men Terry and Lampard have been suffering alot Recently.

All it takes is one bad tackle and any player can end up out for months. Hopefully Messi can stay injury free in the future and show why many consider him the best more often.
Unfortunately I don't think that's the case with Messi. It's true that it only takes a bad tackle or an awkard fall to injure a player, but those tends to be bone or ligament injuries.

With Messi, it seems he gets muscle injuries regularly which means it's unlikely to clear up any time soon.
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Old 13th May 2008, 20:24   #105 (permalink)
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For all those saying Ronaldo is going to get better do they not think Messi can improve also? being 20 and all?

Also how could Messi not handle the prem? He has performed against the two best defences in the prem and performed fairly well so i think lesser defenders than Chelsea and United have would somehow not cope aswell?

Zarate is about as small as Messi and done ok so far in the Prem? Honestly its about the worst arguement i've ever heard.

Ronaldo couldn't cut it in spain


Messi is an incredible player but his strengths have little room for improvement and he has far more weaknesses

close control Messi > Ronnie
acceleration Messi > Ronnie

Ronnie > messi

Top Speed
Shooting - left and right foot both good and still improving
Heading - good and still improving
Physical presence
Stamina
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Old 13th May 2008, 20:31   #106 (permalink)
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Messi is an incredible player but his strengths have little room for improvement and he has far more weaknesses

close control Messi > Ronnie
acceleration Messi > Ronnie

Ronnie > messi

Top Speed
Shooting - left and right foot both good and still improving
Heading - good and still improving
Physical presence
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You say Messi is only better with control and dribbling and acceleration. I would say Messi is a better passer of the ball and more creative than Ronaldo. He is simpler in what he does and actually more deleberate. Messi also has a wand of a left foot.

It is his footballing ability that makes him a better footballer not specific attributes because no-one has more "attributes" than Ronaldo. He is a prototype footballer. Messi is just natural tallent.

Also it is rather rare for a player to peak at 20years old. Messi can improve of course he can and he will, look at the progress Ronaldo has made sinse he was 20, i dont expect Messi to take as many leaps in development as Ronaldo because he is more of a natural in terms of team play and so on.
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Old 13th May 2008, 20:39   #107 (permalink)
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Putting injuries aside, would you swap?
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Old 13th May 2008, 20:45   #108 (permalink)
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Why would we want to swap TBPITW? Madness.
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Old 13th May 2008, 20:45   #109 (permalink)
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I wouldn't, and i'm sure if you asked a barca fan they would say the same.
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QUOTE=FranklyVulgar;4617272]You say Messi is only better with control and dribbling and acceleration. I would say Messi is a better passer of the ball and more creative than Ronaldo. He is simpler in what he does and actually more deleberate. Messi also has a wand of a left foot.

personally I thought Ronnie has improved that side of his game and I would say he is equal to Messi on that side of the game

It is his footballing ability that makes him a better footballer not specific attributes because no-one has more "attributes" than Ronaldo. He is a prototype footballer. Messi is just natural tallent.



That makes no sense to me in fact it is rubbish; Ronaldo's attributes are part of his football ability and what make him the better player and he is just as natural as Messi.

Also it is rather rare for a player to peak at 20years old. Messi can improve of course he can and he will, look at the progress Ronaldo has made sinse he was 20, i dont expect Messi to take as many leaps in development as Ronaldo because he is more of a natural in terms of team play and so on.[/quote]


Messi's great strengths are acceleration....that will not improve and close control ... can't see how that will improve.
Experience will make him more aware but that applies to Ronnie as well