Would you swap Messi for Ronnie?

Ecroyd · 13th May 2008, 23:24

wank away boys

Cal? · 14th May 2008, 00:13

WHere is Benzema?

Ecroyd · 14th May 2008, 00:29

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Originally Posted by Cal?

WHere is Benzema?

its hard to collect that group of players they arent cheap you know

Eyepopper · 14th May 2008, 00:34

would I swap Messi for Ronaldo..

KOV · 14th May 2008, 01:58

note a hope in hell

Cold_Boy · 14th May 2008, 05:11

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

Messi is by far the best dribbler in world football - it's not even close and i don't buy into this bollocks about him not being able to compete in this league. His control over a football is unbelievable and he also has an eye for a pass and has a great left foot. Smaller, slower and less gifted players have made a reputation for themselves in the Premiership. However, Ronaldo is obviously a more complete player in the way that he doesn't actually have a weakness.

Even though the purpose of this thread is too ignore Messi's injuries, i refuse to look past it as if it is a mere obstacle for him to overcome. On his day he's the best player in world football but injury is ruining a potential great.

For this reason, i wouldn't swap Ronaldo given his current form even though i think Messi is a player with more ability. If we had to lose Ronaldo, then Messi would be the only player out there capable of replacing him.

Spot on.

Brad · 14th May 2008, 06:07

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

Messi is by far the best dribbler in world football - it's not even close and i don't buy into this bollocks about him not being able to compete in this league. His control over a football is unbelievable and he also has an eye for a pass and has a great left foot. Smaller, slower and less gifted players have made a reputation for themselves in the Premiership. However, Ronaldo is obviously a more complete player in the way that he doesn't actually have a weakness.

Even though the purpose of this thread is too ignore Messi's injuries, i refuse to look past it as if it is a mere obstacle for him to overcome. On his day he's the best player in world football but injury is ruining a potential great.

For this reason, i wouldn't swap Ronaldo given his current form even though i think Messi is a player with more ability. If we had to lose Ronaldo, then Messi would be the only player out there capable of replacing him.

Thats probably the best summary on this particular subject I've seen actually, you've absolutely nailed it

B9 from YNWA · 14th May 2008, 06:58

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Originally Posted by McLovin

I wouldn't swap him for God himself.

that would be stupid. God would wipe the floor with anyone he came up against. You'd never lose.

Eto'odinho · 14th May 2008, 07:12

Messi is awesome, simply out of this world BUT then again so is Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi's style of play looks great on the eye, it glitters BUT is not all gold. Ronaldo of the old used to be quite eye catching with all of those fancy step-overs, flicks, desire to beat the same man twice, thrice and then some more. Somehow I am seeing similar traits in Messi the only difference being that when Ronaldo did it because of his style it was deemed as showboating and him dubbed a one trick pony.

Players have different playing styles BUT the stuff that matters is their effectiveness. Incidentally I don't think Ronaldo de Lima has ever scored 41 goals and counting in a single season in Europe.

For some the grass may be greener on the other side BUT for me I'll rather sit on it right here at home.

No chance of a swap, I'm sticking with our diving,overrated,one trick pony with no end product, ahem step forward Cristiano Ronaldo.

RedThaiDevils#7 · 14th May 2008, 07:31

Saying Messi can't handle the PL is like saying Ronaldo can't handle the La Liga

TR · 14th May 2008, 07:35

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

I would not....no one has a bigger heart than Rooney....

If we didn't have Ronaldo I'd consider swapping Rooney for Messi. You're right, no one has a bigger heart than Rooney... but Tevez has an equally big one and we've got him.

TR · 14th May 2008, 07:40

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Originally Posted by B9 from YNWA

that would be stupid. God would wipe the floor with anyone he came up against. You'd never lose.

But would he get a work permit?

Lizard King · 14th May 2008, 07:57

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Messi is awesome, simply out of this world BUT then again so is Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi's style of play looks great on the eye, it glitters BUT is not all gold. Ronaldo of the old used to be quite eye catching with all of those fancy step-overs, flicks, desire to beat the same man twice, thrice and then some more. Somehow I am seeing similar traits in Messi the only difference being that when Ronaldo did it because of his style it was deemed as showboating and him dubbed a one trick pony.

Players have different playing styles BUT the stuff that matters is their effectiveness. Incidentally I don't think Ronaldo de Lima has ever scored 41 goals and counting in a single season in Europe.

For some the grass may be greener on the other side BUT for me I'll rather sit on it right here at home.

No chance of a swap, I'm sticking with our diving,overrated,one trick pony with no end product, ahem step forward Cristiano Ronaldo.

The first paragraph is exactly what I wanted to write but sounded like a gimp whenever I tried.

Nicely done

Red For Ever · 14th May 2008, 08:20

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Originally Posted by francobaresi

Putting injuries aside, would you swap?

NO

Escobar · 14th May 2008, 08:30

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Messi is awesome, simply out of this world BUT then again so is Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi's style of play looks great on the eye, it glitters BUT is not all gold. Ronaldo of the old used to be quite eye catching with all of those fancy step-overs, flicks, desire to beat the same man twice, thrice and then some more. Somehow I am seeing similar traits in Messi the only difference being that when Ronaldo did it because of his style it was deemed as showboating and him dubbed a one trick pony.

Players have different playing styles BUT the stuff that matters is their effectiveness. Incidentally I don't think Ronaldo de Lima has ever scored 41 goals and counting in a single season in Europe.

For some the grass may be greener on the other side BUT for me I'll rather sit on it right here at home.

No chance of a swap, I'm sticking with our diving,overrated,one trick pony with no end product, ahem step forward Cristiano Ronaldo.

Well said. Messi is a very good footballer, but lots of things get overlooked because he's got so amazing skills. IMO Ronaldo is the much better player because he's so complete. Right now, you wont find a player who has all the attributes that Ronaldo has, there's nothing he can not do on the pitch. Dribbling and technique is extraordinary and no one is as good as Messi in that department, but that does not make him the best player, people often overrate just one or two attributes of a player and think he's the best. His decision making leaves also a lot to be desired, against us, he always drifted inside although the middle was more than congested and too often lost the ball as a result of that.
Therefore, I can not understand why anyone would even consider swapping Ronaldo for Messi

FranklyVulgar · 14th May 2008, 08:32

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Messi is awesome, simply out of this world BUT then again so is Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi's style of play looks great on the eye, it glitters BUT is not all gold. Ronaldo of the old used to be quite eye catching with all of those fancy step-overs, flicks, desire to beat the same man twice, thrice and then some more. Somehow I am seeing similar traits in Messi the only difference being that when Ronaldo did it because of his style it was deemed as showboating and him dubbed a one trick pony.

Players have different playing styles BUT the stuff that matters is their effectiveness. Incidentally I don't think Ronaldo de Lima has ever scored 41 goals and counting in a single season in Europe.

For some the grass may be greener on the other side BUT for me I'll rather sit on it right here at home.

No chance of a swap, I'm sticking with our diving,overrated,one trick pony with no end product, ahem step forward Cristiano Ronaldo.

Dont agree with that first paragraph, Messi is very direct and hardly ever does fancy flicks or tricks or stepovers. What looks great about his style is the way he ghosts past players, beats men like they are no there. No-one else in world football beats players in this style.

Ronaldo is much more the showman, i personally love it, but doing a fancy stepover heel flick pass on the half way line to a player 5 yards away looks great and adds a nice trick to a youtube video or something but a 5 yards square pass would do the same job.

Eto'odinho · 14th May 2008, 09:08

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Dont agree with that first paragraph, Messi is very direct and hardly ever does fancy flicks or tricks or stepovers. What looks great about his style is the way he ghosts past players, beats men like they are no there. No-one else in world football beats players in this style.

Showmanship depends on the style of play.Endless dribbling without step-overs can also be considered as showboating. Yes we know that you can dribble so well, but when there are other 9 outfield players.

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Ronaldo is much more the showman, i personally love it, but doing a fancy stepover heel flick pass on the half way line to a player 5 yards away looks great and adds a nice trick to a youtube video or something but a 5 yards square pass would do the same job.

I'll tell you what looks better and adds even more trick to a youtube video,.....

41 goals and counting, scored left,right,centre,groin,up in the air as well as down on the ground. Go suck on that, I dare any non out and out striker even Ronaldo himself to score 41 club goals again in a season playing in a top league in Europe.

Don't get blinded by the hype and "purists' " sense of things. 41 goals from a non out and out striker tells a massive story.

FranklyVulgar · 14th May 2008, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Showmanship depends on the style of play.Endless dribbling without step-overs can also be considered as showboating. Yes we know that you can dribble so well, but when there are other 9 outfield players.

I'll tell you what looks better and adds even more trick to a youtube video,.....

41 goals and counting, scored left,right,centre,groin,up in the air as well as down on the ground. Go suck on that, I dare any non out and out striker even Ronaldo himself to score 41 club goals again in a season playing in a top league in Europe.

Don't get blinded by the hype and "purists' " sense of things. 41 goals from a non out and out striker tells a massive story.

Not arguing with that and never have claimed that Ronaldo wasnt a brilliant player who has had a great season. 41 goals is a magnificent tally for a midfielder. He has been playing as a forward more than a midfielder since Ruud left and it is actually his responsibility to score goals now.

You can't argue with stats but stats don't tell the whole story. Ronaldo has been part of a magnificent side and he is first to thank his team mates. For me they carry him as much as he carrys them and i honestly don't think the standard of his football has been as good as last season but the stats tell you he has been better.

Eto'odinho · 14th May 2008, 09:28

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Not arguing with that and never have claimed that Ronaldo wasnt a brilliant player who has had a great season. 41 goals is a magnificent tally for a midfielder. He has been playing as a forward more than a midfielder since Ruud left and it is actually his responsibility to score goals now.

You can't argue with stats but stats don't tell the whole story. Ronaldo has been part of a magnificent side and he is first to thank his team mates. For me they carry him as much as he carrys them and i honestly don't think the standard of his football has been as good as last season but the stats tell you he has been better.

The majority of the above is true BUT United as a team has not played better than the first half of last season when we had everyone (including King Louis) fit. We have given "professional" results based and intended performances more times this season than last. As wingers go, Ronaldo's performances have not been all that BUT as forwards and ensuring the team's success, they have been richly memorable.

A football team puts out 11 players on the pitch and as such it expected that they will help each out and I for one find it admirable when Ronaldo acknowledges and praises the team's collective effort.It shows great maturity on his part and an understanding of his role as a footballer or an employee.

ERICSAGOD · 14th May 2008, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo No.9

I wouldnt swap Ronaldo for anyone.

Agreed.

End of discussion.

redmanc · 14th May 2008, 09:31

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Originally Posted by francobaresi

Putting injuries aside, would you swap?

There would have been a whole lot more lol in there if the forum would allow it!

FranklyVulgar · 14th May 2008, 09:35

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

The majority of the above is true BUT United as a team has not played better than the first half of last season when we had everyone (including King Louis) fit. We have given "professional" results based and intended performances more times this season than last. As wingers go, Ronaldo's performances have not been all that BUT as forwards and ensuring the team's success, they have been richly memorable.

A football team puts out 11 players on the pitch and as such it expected that they will help each out and I for one find it admirable when Ronaldo acknowledges and praises the team's collective effort.It shows great maturity on his part and an understanding of his role as a footballer or an employee.

Yeah thats what makes United a great team and sets them appart from most others, its Fergusons way basically.

I look forward to seeing the stats from caf voters when it comes to MOTM awards and points for the season. I obviously wouldn't be surprised if Ronaldo came out as the cream of the crop however this season he has been all about goals. How many times have i read in the player ratings that Ronaldo was ok but scored? Not brilliant but scored so you cant ignore it.

Ronaldo flitters in and out of games still, yeah he is more disaplined and will help out his team mates but i don't think he has that constant menace that a player like Messi has.

Eto'odinho · 14th May 2008, 09:59

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Ronaldo flitters in and out of games still, yeah he is more disaplined and will help out his team mates but i don't think he has that constant menace that a player like Messi has.

Thats what wingers do, time and time again, even the likes of Best,Gento and Garrincha used to do it. The difference between Ronaldo and Messi is that, Ronaldo doesn't need to dominate you for 90 minutes to kill you, you blink, you're dead. He has evolved into a hitman of some sort.

I vaguely recall reading somewhere that over the course of the two legs against Barcelona, Ronaldo received the ball 22 times and out of these, forced a penalty, should've had another penalty, played someone in twice, and in general had 4 shots. On the other hand Messi received the ball 87 times, played someone in 3 times and had 5 shots in total.

FranklyVulgar · 14th May 2008, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Thats what wingers do, time and time again, even the likes of Best,Gento and Garrincha used to do it. The difference between Ronaldo and Messi is that, Ronaldo doesn't need to dominate you for 90 minutes to kill you, you blink, you're dead. He has evolved into a hitman of some sort.

I vaguely recall reading somewhere that over the course of the two legs against Barcelona, Ronaldo received the ball 22 times and out of these, forced a penalty, should've had another penalty, played someone in twice, and in general had 4 shots. On the other hand Messi received the ball 87 times, played someone in 3 times and had 5 shots in total.

Messi is an intelligent footballer, he will keep possession and look for openings. Based on those two legs Messi was the better player. You can talk about product or end product or whatever but if you watched the games it was plain to see.

Cal? · 14th May 2008, 10:07

Messi?

Maradona 20 years ago and I might start thinking about it...

Knowing the way he's going to blow out, probably not even that.

Escobar · 14th May 2008, 10:11

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Messi is an intelligent footballer, he will keep possession and look for openings. Based on those two legs Messi was the better player. You can talk about product or end product or whatever but if you watched the games it was plain to see.

I think you get blinded by his runs and dribblings. Because he did create hardly anything, we had him under control more or less and he was a bit isolated. Yes he beated our players from time to time, but there came nothing creative afterwards.

FranklyVulgar · 14th May 2008, 10:30

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Eto'odinho Retard magnet Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cirith Ungol Posts: 8,820	Messi is awesome, simply out of this world BUT then again so is Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi's style of play looks great on the eye, it glitters BUT is not all gold. Ronaldo of the old used to be quite eye catching with all of those fancy step-overs, flicks, desire to beat the same man twice, thrice and then some more. Somehow I am seeing similar traits in Messi the only difference being that when Ronaldo did it because of his style it was deemed as showboating and him dubbed a one trick pony. Players have different playing styles BUT the stuff that matters is their effectiveness. Incidentally I don't think Ronaldo de Lima has ever scored 41 goals and counting in a single season in Europe. For some the grass may be greener on the other side BUT for me I'll rather sit on it right here at home. No chance of a swap, I'm sticking with our diving,overrated,one trick pony with no end product, ahem step forward Cristiano Ronaldo.

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Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: We want our own TV deal... Posts: 11,649	Messi? Maradona 20 years ago and I might start thinking about it... Knowing the way he's going to blow out, probably not even that.