Would you swap Messi for Ronnie?

IhabX7 · 14th May 2008, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Gasolin

Nah, I don't think Messi will turn out to be a prolific scorer, but I think he will be a fantastic offensive player, providing a lot more assists than Ronaldo. Ronaldo can also improve or he can be forced if we buy a real striker to make more assists. Well...we ought to see, right ? I like both players, they show what's the best in football.

Last year Ronaldo had more than 20 assists.

You lot seem to forget what Ronaldo is capable of, thats why I'm making my video project. It will remind you of certain moments where Ronaldo did the things you are talking about in you last two posts. He's more than capable of moving the game forward from a static position, its just that he changed his style of play a lot more. If Messi sees an opportunity to dribble he will do it, Ronaldo is looking for the pass more often nowadays.

Now can a mod please answer my question? Where should I create the thread for my videos?

Gasolin · 14th May 2008, 12:12

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

Last year Ronaldo had more than 20 assists.

You lot seem to forget what Ronaldo is capable of, thats why I'm making my video project. It will remind you of certain moments where Ronaldo did the things you are talking about in you last two posts. He's more than capable of moving the game forward from a static position, its just that he changed his style of play a lot more. If Messi sees an opportunity to dribble he will do it, Ronaldo is looking for the pass more often nowadays.

Now can a mod please answer my question? Where should I create the thread for my videos?

Alright, maybe I can not recall every single game of Ronaldo, I watch a lot of games in a season, not only United games, and it happens that I forget. What I say is just what is often generally admitted for both players, but I'll be waiting for your video !

IhabX7 · 14th May 2008, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Gasolin

Alright, maybe I can not recall every single game of Ronaldo, I watch a lot of games in a season, not only United games, and it happens that I forget. What I say is just what is often generally admitted for both players, but I'll be waiting for your video !

Its about 10 videos actually. The first one Im releasing is 7 minutes long. The second, third and fourth parts will be released very soon after, as the videos only need finishing touches.

Ronaldo No.9 · 14th May 2008, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Messi is awesome, simply out of this world BUT then again so is Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi's style of play looks great on the eye, it glitters BUT is not all gold. Ronaldo of the old used to be quite eye catching with all of those fancy step-overs, flicks, desire to beat the same man twice, thrice and then some more. Somehow I am seeing similar traits in Messi the only difference being that when Ronaldo did it because of his style it was deemed as showboating and him dubbed a one trick pony.

Players have different playing styles BUT the stuff that matters is their effectiveness. Incidentally I don't think Ronaldo de Lima has ever scored 41 goals and counting in a single season in Europe.

For some the grass may be greener on the other side BUT for me I'll rather sit on it right here at home.

No chance of a swap, I'm sticking with our diving,overrated,one trick pony with no end product, ahem step forward Cristiano Ronaldo.

Good paragraph that except for that one mistake, Ronaldo scored 47 goals in 49 games in all competitions in his one season at Barcelona.

But considering that our Ronnie has played 90% of games on the wing, you can say that is a better feat.

B9 from YNWA · 14th May 2008, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Players have different playing styles BUT the stuff that matters is their effectiveness. Incidentally I don't think Ronaldo de Lima has ever scored 41 goals and counting in a single season in Europe.

The fat Ronaldo got 47 goals in 49 games for barca in one season.

edit: feck off, ronaldo no. 9.

Lizard King · 14th May 2008, 13:04

Ronaldo No.9 · 14th May 2008, 13:06

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Originally Posted by B9 from YNWA

The fat Ronaldo got 47 goals in 49 games for barca in one season.

edit: feck off, ronaldo no. 9.

Too slow cunto

Lizard King · 14th May 2008, 13:07

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Originally Posted by Lizard King

Gah they've removed it, it was the run against Boro where he beat 3 men by just jinking his body a bit. It shows that he doesn't just do fancy step-overs.

Best player in the world by a mile.

FranklyVulgar · 14th May 2008, 13:15

Best thing he ever done was make Cashley Cole fall on his ass.

Eto'odinho · 14th May 2008, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo No.9

Good paragraph that except for that one mistake, Ronaldo scored 47 goals in 49 games in all competitions in his one season at Barcelona.

But considering that our Ronnie has played 90% of games on the wing, you can say that is a better feat.

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Originally Posted by B9 from YNWA

The fat Ronaldo got 47 goals in 49 games for barca in one season.

edit: feck off, ronaldo no. 9.

Thanks for pointing that out.

IhabX7 · 14th May 2008, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Lizard King

Gah they've removed it, it was the run against Boro where he beat 3 men by just jinking his body a bit. It shows that he doesn't just do fancy step-overs.

Best player in the world by a mile.

Its in my video no worries

IhabX7's Ronaldo Video Project

AttackingFlair · 14th May 2008, 17:17

The one thing I thought Messi had on Ronaldo was long range passing...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y_pLW-FP5dg

Now check that at 50 seconds not bad?

jojojo · 14th May 2008, 20:58

Love Ron, don't love Messi - no swap possible. Loved Ron since his debut - thinks it's hilarious that he somehow became a player that I couldn't just compare to Best but one who could challenge "real" goalscorers like RvN and Henry at their own game - even I, a fan of stepover boy (who always had more end product that other people claimed), was surprised by that.

Adding context - Ron changed for us, he became the player we wanted - that he could do it without killing the player he already was makes him special to me.

Adding further context - trying to compare two of the top handful of players in the world is pointless. Some days I want strawberries, other days it's melons and I love raspberries - the world would be a lesser place without them. Messi wouldn't compensate for losing Ron - I'd still want Ron back. Being greedy I'd like them both.

Rooney1987 · 14th May 2008, 23:52

Messi better than Ronaldo - Joe Cole

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ea/7401762.stm

Count Duckula · 14th May 2008, 23:57

I don't see why people keep saying how well Messi played over the two legs against Barcelona. I honestly don't see it -- I think he was rather subdued and Ronaldo was at least his equal in terms of attacking venture. In fact, in the first leg, Ronaldo was the only United player that did anything of note in the Barcelona half.

Sam#1 · 14th May 2008, 23:58

Fuck off.

francobaresi · 15th May 2008, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Fuck off.

Is that directed at me?

ALX8725 · 15th May 2008, 00:04

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Originally Posted by Rooney1987

Messi better than Ronaldo - Joe Cole

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ea/7401762.stm

the day Joe Cole's opinion matters.... well.... that day will never come.

Sam#1 · 15th May 2008, 00:06

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Originally Posted by francobaresi

Is that directed at me?

No, it's just my response to the question.

Q:Would you swap Messi for Ronnie?
A: Fuck off..

It's not me trying to be rude, it's just showing how strongly I feel that Ronaldo is the best in the world, and that I wouldn't swap him for anyone. I probably should have just said no, but I didn't feel this was strong enough.

Ronaldo No.9 · 15th May 2008, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Rooney1987

Messi better than Ronaldo - Joe Cole

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ea/7401762.stm

'''Messi showed Ronaldo who is the top man''

What a load of bollocks! Messi showed Ronaldo who is the top man how exactly?

Did he assist? NO!

Did he score? NO!

Is he going to Moscow? FUCK NO!!!

I also love it how he says he'd love to play along side Messi

He'd keep you out the side you daft bastard.

krazyrobus · 15th May 2008, 00:18

The mechanics of Messi's game lends him to be a better big game player than Ronaldo. In fact i'd say Messi is far more comparable to Best than Ronaldo. He is also the better dribbler no doubt. When it comes to all round game though even though Messi does score a lot of goals for his age and position i'd take Ronaldo because all round he is more dangerous. When you factor in injuries then Ronaldo wins all the time. Messi needs to get a cushion of fat around him to make him pudgy like Maradonna was 1986(not to be confused with Maradona 2006!)

AttackingFlair · 15th May 2008, 00:24

Judging by Cole's logic anyone who plays better Ronaldo in a single match is better than him.

I know Messi played well but all the reaction we've heard, I just wonder what it'd be like if he scored against us like Kaka... it'd be fucking crazy.

krazyrobus · 15th May 2008, 00:26

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Originally Posted by AttackingFlair

Judging by Cole's logic anyone who plays better Ronaldo in a single match is better than him.

I know Messi played well but all the reaction we've heard, I just wonder what it'd be like if he scored against us like Kaka... it'd be fucking crazy.

Kaka has cunt and O'shea in front of him in central defence. I could score in that scenario.

Everyone took that performance at Ot out of context. The 2nd leg too.

KingEric7 · 15th May 2008, 00:36

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Originally Posted by Count Duckula

I don't see why people keep saying how well Messi played over the two legs against Barcelona. I honestly don't see it -- I think he was rather subdued and Ronaldo was at least his equal in terms of attacking venture. In fact, in the first leg, Ronaldo was the only United player that did anything of note in the Barcelona half.

Messi was at his most dangerous when he cut inside and stopped running at Evra. He has that gift that only the most special players have of running at 3 players and keeping the ball.

Again, you've got to hand it to Evra when you consider that over two legs, he got skinned just once by the best dribbler on the planet.

mustaine · 15th May 2008, 00:37

Injuries aside... NO.

NO!

RedDevilCanuck · 15th May 2008, 01:07

It would be a fuckin stupid swap. Ronny is a proven super star in the PL and has established himself as the best player in the world playing in England. Messi is a midget and lightweight and injury prone. Nobody knows if he could adapt to the physical nature of the PL. Ronaldo's physique is perfect for the PL. His body can handle all the big defenders and the rough play. Messi probably would excel in the PL but he would probably get injured even more than he does now and that is way too fuckin much.

FranklyVulgar · 15th May 2008, 09:08

Arguments been settled once and for all, Joe Cole says Messi is the better man so the debate closes. Get over it people.

Escobar · 15th May 2008, 09:34

I have nothing against mongs or retarded people, but Joe Cole pisses me off and is a wanker

FranklyVulgar · 15th May 2008, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Escobar

I have nothing against mongs or retarded people, but Joe Cole pisses me off and is a wanker

i actually hate Joe Cole. My reason being his tongue is too big for his mouth.

Still, i think this is more bull ahead of the final, expect alot of trash from Chelsea, they are a trashy outfit after all.

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FranklyVulgar Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In amoungst the pigs raising hell Posts: 1,862	Best thing he ever done was make Cashley Cole fall on his ass.

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 2,582	The one thing I thought Messi had on Ronaldo was long range passing... http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y_pLW-FP5dg Now check that at 50 seconds not bad?

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jojojo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: wondering if I'll ever get chance to sing Viva Ronaldo again Posts: 1,354	Love Ron, don't love Messi - no swap possible. Loved Ron since his debut - thinks it's hilarious that he somehow became a player that I couldn't just compare to Best but one who could challenge "real" goalscorers like RvN and Henry at their own game - even I, a fan of stepover boy (who always had more end product that other people claimed), was surprised by that. Adding context - Ron changed for us, he became the player we wanted - that he could do it without killing the player he already was makes him special to me. Adding further context - trying to compare two of the top handful of players in the world is pointless. Some days I want strawberries, other days it's melons and I love raspberries - the world would be a lesser place without them. Messi wouldn't compensate for losing Ron - I'd still want Ron back. Being greedy I'd like them both.

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Count Duckula First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In the corner, losing my religion. Posts: 5,689	I don't see why people keep saying how well Messi played over the two legs against Barcelona. I honestly don't see it -- I think he was rather subdued and Ronaldo was at least his equal in terms of attacking venture. In fact, in the first leg, Ronaldo was the only United player that did anything of note in the Barcelona half.

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krazyrobus Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, USA Posts: 1,021	The mechanics of Messi's game lends him to be a better big game player than Ronaldo. In fact i'd say Messi is far more comparable to Best than Ronaldo. He is also the better dribbler no doubt. When it comes to all round game though even though Messi does score a lot of goals for his age and position i'd take Ronaldo because all round he is more dangerous. When you factor in injuries then Ronaldo wins all the time. Messi needs to get a cushion of fat around him to make him pudgy like Maradonna was 1986(not to be confused with Maradona 2006!)

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 2,582	Judging by Cole's logic anyone who plays better Ronaldo in a single match is better than him. I know Messi played well but all the reaction we've heard, I just wonder what it'd be like if he scored against us like Kaka... it'd be fucking crazy.

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mustaine Youth Team Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Reykjavik, Iceland Posts: 254	Injuries aside... NO. NO!

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RedDevilCanuck Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,163	It would be a fuckin stupid swap. Ronny is a proven super star in the PL and has established himself as the best player in the world playing in England. Messi is a midget and lightweight and injury prone. Nobody knows if he could adapt to the physical nature of the PL. Ronaldo's physique is perfect for the PL. His body can handle all the big defenders and the rough play. Messi probably would excel in the PL but he would probably get injured even more than he does now and that is way too fuckin much.

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FranklyVulgar Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In amoungst the pigs raising hell Posts: 1,862	Arguments been settled once and for all, Joe Cole says Messi is the better man so the debate closes. Get over it people.

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