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Old 8th February 2012, 10:28   #121 (permalink)
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i think people are taking what ramshock said way too literally,imo he's not saying fergie is shit at getting cheap players but that he maybe could have done better (and by fergies own admission he's said he regrets not taking a chance on some players when they were younger),and if that's the worst we can say about our manager then that's fine by me.
yep exactly!
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Old 8th February 2012, 10:38   #122 (permalink)
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i think people are taking what ramshock said way too literally,imo he's not saying fergie is shit at getting cheap players but that he maybe could have done better (and by fergies own admission he's said he regrets not taking a chance on some players when they were younger),and if that's the worst we can say about our manager then that's fine by me.
The reason so many people are disagreeing with him is because Fergie's eye for talent is one of his greatest strengths as a manager. Obviously, he can't sign every young talent on the planet, nor is every signing he makes guaranteed to succeed. Same goes for every manager though and Fergie gets it right more than almost any other manager I can think of.

There are a few valid reasons to criticise Fergie as a manager. His record in the transfer market is not one of them.

It seems particularly ironic to be having a pop at Fergie over his apparent inability to scout/sign talented young players when the thread immediately adjacent to this one is "Smalling watch"!
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That's right Pogue - but the truely bizarre part of his criticism was citing Fergie's "transfer policy" as being flawed.

And then he advocates us signing a young player from the Swiss league, which would have had to compete against our three best attacking players for a spot in the side, two of them world class talents?

If we're supposed to sign every young talent in the world without an ounce of time for the big pitcture, the composition of the squad, etc, then we would basically become a bad Real Madrid caricature before long. And surely waste a lot of money we could've used in other areas.
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That's right Pogue - but the truely bizarre part of his criticism was citing Fergie's "transfer policy" as being flawed.

And then he advocates us signing a young player from the Swiss league, which would have had to compete against our three best attacking players for a spot in the side, two of them world class talents?

If we're supposed to sign every young talent in the world without an ounce of time for the big pitcture, the composition of the squad, etc, then we would basically become a bad Real Madrid caricature before long. And surely waste a lot of money we could've used in other areas.
I take it you are swiss as well as a know it all fucker?
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Old 8th February 2012, 10:41   #125 (permalink)
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at Ramshock.

Good addition for Bayern btw.
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Old 8th February 2012, 10:42   #126 (permalink)
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The reason so many people are disagreeing with him is because Fergie's eye for talent is one of his greatest strengths as a manager. Obviously, he can't sign every young talent on the planet, nor is every signing he makes guaranteed to succeed. Same goes for every manager though and Fergie gets it right more than almost any other manager I can think of.

There are a few valid reasons to criticise Fergie as a manager. His record in the transfer market is not one of them.

It seems particularly ironic to be having a pop at Fergie over his apparent inability to scout/sign talented young players when the thread immediately adjacent to this one is "Smalling watch"!
Nope it was a valid point, I said attacking talent, you get off your high horse and post count mate! He was a legitimate talent at great value and I was disappointed we didnt move for him!
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I take it you are swiss as well as a know it all fucker?
I'm not swiss, I've barely watched Shaqiri play.

Criticizing Ferguson for his transfer "policy", and then vouching for the signing of this chap is just truely bizarre for me.

There is different criticism to be raised. Not signing every talented young player in the world is not one of the pressing ones.
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Welbeck, Hernandez, Rooney, Young, Valencia, Nani.. A lot of attacking talent there.

You'd want us to sign a player for the positions where we've got an abundance of talent, probably all better or equal to this unproven guy, just for the sake of it?
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Old 8th February 2012, 10:53   #129 (permalink)
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Answer me this.

We can't sign every player just because he'a a decent talent. That's everything but a transfer policy.
It's not worth it, I had the same debate with him over two years ago re: Defour...probably is best to just let people have their muppet moments.
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I agree with Ramshock, we should be signing every talented played that becomes available just to prevent any other club from having him in case he makes it.

You know it would work.
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Seen him 4-5 times and he looks the real deal...
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Old 8th February 2012, 11:43   #132 (permalink)
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It's not worth it, I had the same debate with him over two years ago re: Defour...probably is best to just let people have their muppet moments.
What's he up to now, anyway?
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Doing pretty well at Porto as far as I can tell, moved there this summer for €6m. Arruda probably has a bit more to say but knowing Porto he'll be headed off in a couple of years for triple the price to someone like Liverpool. Looked a very decent player but if you're going to complain about every decent player we don't sign you're going to be pretty miserable.
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Doing pretty well at Porto as far as I can tell, moved there this summer for €6m. Arruda probably has a bit more to say but knowing Porto he'll be headed off in a couple of years for triple the price to someone like Liverpool.
Quick wiki reveals he's only made 8 appearances for them so far this season. Crocked again?
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Right enough, so he is. Injured in a CL game early in the season, and niggling injuries thereafter it seems. There's something about him using a dental appliance to keep healthy too. Can see why he was so cheap.
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Old 8th February 2012, 13:09   #136 (permalink)
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If theres one aspect of Fergies management you can soundly criticize its his inability to get players and deals like this!
But its not like he has to sign every player because he costs less?
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yes of course. So was Zidane at one time, so was many other players we could have acted on and didnt! This was a great wee player at great value and the fact we havent apparently acted on it suggests another lost opportunity to improve the squad thats all I am saying!
You are missing the point. Shaqiri as good as he is is not really needed by us. Our wings are packed with quality and we have young quality like Brady doing well on loan. Our quality in wide areas is one of the reasons we even lost Morrison. After that I don't see how anyone thought that realistically we'd sign a Shaqiri. Under SAF we are not a club that signs players in areas we don't really need them in. Your criticism of SAF was over the top.
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It would be great to have a left footed winger but we already have Nani and Young to play there so it'd be a little pointless.
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The reason so many people are disagreeing with him is because Fergie's eye for talent is one of his greatest strengths as a manager. Obviously, he can't sign every young talent on the planet, nor is every signing he makes guaranteed to succeed. Same goes for every manager though and Fergie gets it right more than almost any other manager I can think of.

There are a few valid reasons to criticise Fergie as a manager. His record in the transfer market is not one of them.

It seems particularly ironic to be having a pop at Fergie over his apparent inability to scout/sign talented young players when the thread immediately adjacent to this one is "Smalling watch"!
I'm not agreeing with everything Ramshock has said but Fergie has missed out on a few really good creative midfielders in the transfer market recently when we've really being crying out for one. I think VDV was a great chance missed, Spurs got Modric for pennies, Charlie Adam was a good chance missed as well, Ramsey was almost in the bag.

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You are missing the point. Shaqiri as good as he is is not really needed by us. Our wings are packed with quality and we have young quality like Brady doing well on loan. Our quality in wide areas is one of the reasons we even lost Morrison. After that I don't see how anyone thought that realistically we'd sign a Shaqiri. Under SAF we are not a club that signs players in areas we don't really need them in. Your criticism of SAF was over the top.
Isn't Shaqiri a attacking central player? I've only seen him the one time, against us. didn't he play in a central role that game?
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I'm not agreeing with everything Ramshock has said but Fergie has missed out on a few really good creative midfielders in the transfer market recently when we've really being crying out for one. I think VDV was a great chance missed, Spurs got Modric for pennies, Charlie Adam was a good chance missed as well, Ramsey was almost in the bag.

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Isn't Shaqiri a attacking central player? I've only seen him the one time, against us. didn't he play in a central role that game?
Charlie Adam

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I'm not agreeing with everything Ramshock has said but Fergie has missed out on a few really good creative midfielders in the transfer market recently when we've really being crying out for one. I think VDV was a great chance missed, Spurs got Modric for pennies, Charlie Adam was a good chance missed as well, Ramsey was almost in the bag.

Please bite on the Adam comment
Spus got Modric. But we already had Anderson.
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Spus got Modric. But we already had Anderson.
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Old 9th February 2012, 16:37   #146 (permalink)
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....Isn't Shaqiri a attacking central player? I've only seen him the one time, against us. didn't he play in a central role that game?
He is a wide play maker who can play in the hole.
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Great goal from Shaqiri against Lucerne today
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Great goal from Shaqiri against Lucerne today
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