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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:26   #1 (permalink)
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Just wanted people's opinions, especially from those older and wiser than myself.

What is a career all about for you? Is it financial reward/stability and the ability to provide for yourself and your families the best you can? Or is it about fulfillment, doing what you love etc.

Basically, i recently graduated, and have been trying to get into quite a competitive entertainments industry, with little luck. I've been offered a few jobs, one quite recently with very good money, but i have little or no interest in that area of work. Part-time experience whilst at uni has given me the skills to do the job, but it's an unrelated industry to what i'm interested in or studied.

My sister has been telling me not to take the job and be patient, but i would just like to get paid right now.

What is most important to you?
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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:36   #2 (permalink)
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I was in a similar situation to you about this time last year.

When someone wants to employ you, they most likely dont give a fuck what you did at university. They want to know that you can do the job. Please i urge you to take the job. If you fuck it up, it wont damage your career, if you come out with a good record, there, you've proven yourself and future employers will think better of you.

Dont waste your time chasing shadows, get out there and grab what you can... work up from there.

I started in a telecomms company (im a geography graduate) it was a fantastic blooding because about six months later i was offered a job as an energy data consultant. I wouldnt be able to do this job now if i hadnt of worked there.

Trust me, opportunities will come your way, you will want to be as skilled and awesome as possible to maximise your chances when the time comes.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:38   #3 (permalink)
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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:43   #4 (permalink)
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Hmm.

So was there anything you were extremely passionate about that you chased when you were starting out?
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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:46   #5 (permalink)
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I was in a similar situation to you about this time last year.

When someone wants to employ you, they most likely dont give a fuck what you did at university. They want to know that you can do the job. Please i urge you to take the job. If you fuck it up, it wont damage your career, if you come out with a good record, there, you've proven yourself and future employers will think better of you.

Dont waste your time chasing shadows, get out there and grab what you can... work up from there.

I started in a telecomms company (im a geography graduate) it was a fantastic blooding because about six months later i was offered a job as an energy data consultant. I wouldnt be able to do this job now if i hadnt of worked there.

Trust me, opportunities will come your way, you will want to be as skilled and awesome as possible to maximise your chances when the time comes.
Yea, i'm leaning towards taking the job myself too. I studied media. I love music, and obviously footy too. I applied for a few jobs at Sky Sports, and a few within the music industry, but no luck. Now i've been offered a job as a 'Customer Accounts Manager'. I've done something similar for Lloyds TSB in the past, but i can envisage myself hating going to work in a few months.

Basically, i think surely working life has to mean a little more than just a paycheck?
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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:48   #6 (permalink)
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Yea, i'm leaning towards taking the job myself too. I studied media. I love music, and obviously footy too. I applied for a few jobs at Sky Sports, and a few within the music industry, but no luck. Now i've been offered a job as a 'Customer Accounts Manager'. I've done something similar for Lloyds TSB in the past, but i can envisage myself hating going to work in a few months.

Basically, i think surely working life has to mean a little more than just a paycheck?
it does, but first you need to get in a position to do something you really want. You have to be very lucky to just stroll into it.

Think how many people in the world love music and football.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:51   #7 (permalink)
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Basically, i think surely working life has to mean a little more than just a paycheck?
would you work without a paycheck ? Because millions work without any challenges or fulfillment or anything of the sort.

Anybody read The Ragged Trousered Philantropists ? beautiful description of the way we 'sell' our 'labour'.
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Hmm.

So was there anything you were extremely passionate about that you chased when you were starting out?
Shagging...

Passionate...Dunno, but I have always been keen on creating value and do the job well enough to be able to say I am proud of the job I have done.

The vaste majority of people work because they have to, not because they are passionate about it. And out of the few that get to work with things they are passionate about, a lot of them are being taking advantage of, because the companies know there are such demand for these jobs - i.e. only a handful get to work with something they are passionate about AND make enough/decent money.

So, find something you are good at, not a job that you want because you can combine it with your hobbies.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 13:55   #9 (permalink)
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it does, but first you need to get in a position to do something you really want. You have to be very lucky to just stroll into it.

Think how many people in the world love music and football.
I work in music , and it's amazing , but there's no safe route into it ... no way to go to school and get a pass into it ... I worked as a barman, waiter and the like til my late 20's to pay for my freelance journalism 'career' and through that got into the music industry ... I went from being a 'wastrel' to a 'lucky git' in many peoples eyes. I actually lost 'friends' because they were pissed off at my job.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 14:07   #10 (permalink)
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Passionate...Dunno, but I have always been keen on creating value and do the job well enough to be able to say I am proud of the job I have done.

The vaste majority of people work because they have to, not because they are passionate about it. And out of the few that get to work with things they are passionate about, a lot of them are being taking advantage of, because the companies know there are such demand for these jobs - i.e. only a handful get to work with something they are passionate about AND make enough/decent money.

So, find something you are good at, not a job that you want because you can combine it with your hobbies.
Yea, this sounds true. Harsh reality check though.
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what Cnut says

most jobs suck. Take the one thats giving you good money, at least in the short-term till you find something you'd prefer to do

I would say that if you were to do a survey, most people are doing something unrelated to their degree
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Old 3rd November 2008, 14:17   #12 (permalink)
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what Cnut says

most jobs suck. Take the one thats giving you good money, at least in the short-term till you find something you'd prefer to do

I would say that if you were to do a survey, most people are doing something unrelated to their degree
Probably true, but that's surely possibly due to them not willing enough or patient enough to do the necessary to really get what they want. I mean, surely there are things to do to get into an industry, but they often involve paying dues and doing shite stuff for a while as you work your way up or get your break. It's probably very easy to choose the money in the short-run and end up stuck in something you don't want to do.

Still, i reckon i'll end up doing the same.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 15:07   #13 (permalink)
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what Cnut says

most jobs suck. Take the one thats giving you good money, at least in the short-term till you find something you'd prefer to do

I would say that if you were to do a survey, most people are doing something unrelated to their degree
Thats because they're so fucking stupid they picked majors like poly sci,english,any arts/drama bullshit.

What the fuck are we as employers supposed to do with that ffs
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What is a career all about for you? ?
Money

career, work or job

they're only about one thing

if you disagree, go to your job and do it for free
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