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Old 26th June 2008, 21:52   #41 (permalink)
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Fair enough, I won't be holding my breath waiting for him to move to us.
Me either, because if he comes out and says he wants to move, I fancy he'd choose Barcelona or even Milan ahead of us. I just don't think its unreasonable to say that Cole's situation was very similar.
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Old 26th June 2008, 22:02   #42 (permalink)
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Me either, because if he comes out and says he wants to move, I fancy he'd choose Barcelona or even Milan ahead of us. I just don't think its unreasonable to say that Cole's situation was very similar.
There are similarities but I think the very subtle differences change the situations dramatically. I just see Cole as much more of a cunt, and can't see Adebayor asking for a transfer. I also think Adebayor is more important because so much of their play is based around him, ask any Arsenal fan. Cole was a very good attacking option but they could cope without him.
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Old 26th June 2008, 23:11   #43 (permalink)
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He has 2 yrs left on his contract and the only concrete offered received by Arsenal is way down their valutation. I think that Arsenal may be tempted to recoup as much money out of the player as possible. Im not saying that he would come cheap but if we had to choose to spend either 20m on a 27 yr old or 20m on Adebayor then the choice seem obvious (at least from my side)
Well there is no doubt he would be a good player for us,.
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Old 27th June 2008, 03:27   #44 (permalink)
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Does this mean I can start up a Nani to Arsenal thread?

We need a winger.
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Old 27th June 2008, 03:43   #45 (permalink)
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Does this mean I can start up a Nani to Arsenal thread?

We need a winger.
Sure. And I'm also sure that if could convince him you were a better club and will pay him more money, he could possibly be swayed. Unfortunately though you'd have to lie about both things
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Old 27th June 2008, 05:11   #46 (permalink)
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Sure. And I'm also sure that if could convince him you were a better club and will pay him more money, he could possibly be swayed. Unfortunately though you'd have to lie about both things
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Old 27th June 2008, 05:34   #47 (permalink)
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They have Eduardo and Nasri. They'll cope without Adebayor easy enough imo
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Old 27th June 2008, 05:40   #48 (permalink)
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He still makes claims which prove to be untrue, just like Calderon and the rest of the top level Spanish presidents. It is a stupid system but I was right in saying what I did.
The culture and the mentality is totally different. That is why I told you that understanding the culture is crucial in here


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Just ask neutral supporters. Its evident that Torres is a much better player.



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I'm sure he knows what he is doing, and selling a top striker to their main rivals is something that 'a genius' would not do. Believe what you want to but it ain't gonna happen.
It depends on the fees being offered. If lets say Milan is giving 12m and United are ready to take him for 25 then it would be worth selling him to us. Continental managers are different from the British ones. They don't believe much in this arch rivals BS (just study the deals done between Inter, Juventus and Milan in the past) and would sell if the price is right. Wenger is that type of manager. Let us not forget that Ashley Cole went to Chelsea with Wenger's blessing
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Old 27th June 2008, 05:49   #49 (permalink)
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i dont want him at united. he has a punchable face that cnut
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Old 27th June 2008, 05:59   #50 (permalink)
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i dont want him at united. he has a punchable face that cnut
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Old 27th June 2008, 09:05   #51 (permalink)
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The culture and the mentality is totally different. That is why I told you that understanding the culture is crucial in here.
I understand that, and I disagree with that aspect of the culture. He did lie to the press and even though that is common practice in Italy/Spain, it is still right.

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Just ask neutral supporters. Its evident that Torres is a much better player.
Am I not neutral? Since I'm not an Arsenal or Liverpool fan, I'd consider myself neutral. It's all down to opinions.

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It depends on the fees being offered. If lets say Milan is giving 12m and United are ready to take him for 25 then it would be worth selling him to us.
But Milan are said to be thinking of offering around the £30m mark, therefore we would have to pay around £50m+. Understand now?

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Continental managers are different from the British ones. They don't believe much in this arch rivals BS (just study the deals done between Inter, Juventus and Milan in the past) and would sell if the price is right. Wenger is that type of manager. Let us not forget that Ashley Cole went to Chelsea with Wenger's blessing.
How many other major players has Wenger sold to rivals then? He could have gotten £50m for Henry from Chelsea, but he turned it down. The Ashley Cole case is irrelevant imo, as both Wenger and he wanted to part ways. As of yet Adebayor is content at Arsenal and Arsene Wenger definitely doesn't want to let him leave.
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I understand that, and I disagree with that aspect of the culture. He did lie to the press and even though that is common practice in Italy/Spain, it is still right.
You are not getting it. In Italy its normal for presidents to come out and say that they are interested in this or that player. Dont forget that Berlusconi is also the owner of Mediaset which happen to be the strongest media group in Italy. Its in their interest to feed the media.



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Am I not neutral? Since I'm not an Arsenal or Liverpool fan, I'd consider myself neutral. It's all down to opinions.
If you want we can make a poll inside here and decide which player is better.



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But Milan are said to be thinking of offering around the £30m mark, therefore we would have to pay around £50m+. Understand now?
Milan are offered around 15 - 20m but may be forced to go beyond that mark. If we offer 25m then I think that Arsenal may consider us.



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How many other major players has Wenger sold to rivals then? He could have gotten £50m for Henry from Chelsea, but he turned it down. The Ashley Cole case is irrelevant imo, as both Wenger and he wanted to part ways. As of yet Adebayor is content at Arsenal and Arsene Wenger definitely doesn't want to let him leave.
50M for Henry....so you believe all the rubbish thrown by the media then.

Wenger sold Ashley Cole to arch rivals Chelsea when he could have easily left him rot on the bench. He didnt do so, showing great maturity in my opinion. There is no point in keeping an unhappy player or selling him on a much cheaper sum.
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Old 27th June 2008, 09:26   #53 (permalink)
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do we fans actually wan't adebayor?

have you guys seen him play?

i even know arsenalfans who want to get rid of him.
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You are not getting it. In Italy its normal for presidents to come out and say that they are interested in this or that player. Dont forget that Berlusconi is also the owner of Mediaset which happen to be the strongest media group in Italy. Its in their interest to feed the media.
I know that, as I said it is common practice. I still disagree with the system as a whole.

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If you want we can make a poll inside here and decide which player is better.
Go ahead.


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Milan are offered around 15 - 20m but may be forced to go beyond that mark. If we offer 25m then I think that Arsenal may consider us.
Who knows. You can be as hopeful as you want about this deal but it won't happen.

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50M for Henry....so you believe all the rubbish thrown by the media then.
No. You're the one who seems to think he knows how much Milan will be offering, or how much it would take for Arsenal to accept a bid from us. You are too easily mislead, not me.

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Wenger sold Ashley Cole to arch rivals Chelsea when he could have easily left him rot on the bench. He didnt do so, showing great maturity in my opinion. There is no point in keeping an unhappy player or selling him on a much cheaper sum.
Wenger chucked him out, rather than let him leave. He only did so because he could get Gallas in the deal and Clichy was ready to step up. There is no replacement for Adebayor in the Arsenal team so they are very different situations. Adebayor is not unhappy like Cole was, he just wants to win things.
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do we fans actually wan't adebayor?

have you guys seen him play?

i even know arsenalfans who want to get rid of him.
Rio said he was the most difficult player to defend against, and that was before he scored all of those goals this season. He is the ideal lead the line striker, and vital to Arsenal.

I can't understand why they would want him out. Let me guess, because he is too wasteful?
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I know that, as I said it is common practice. I still disagree with the system as a whole.
As stated its all about culture. Whats wrong for the British may be right for the Italian



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Who knows. You can be as hopeful as you want about this deal but it won't happen.
I think that if the bid is right then there is a realistic chance of having him. Nothing more nothing less.



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No. You're the one who seems to think he knows how much Milan will be offering, or how much it would take for Arsenal to accept a bid from us. You are too easily mislead, not me.
I read it on Mediaset owned TV teletext which may not be 100% correct but its a much more reliable source then the Sun and the People


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Wenger chucked him out, rather than let him leave. He only did so because he could get Gallas in the deal and Clichy was ready to step up. There is no replacement for Adebayor in the Arsenal team so they are very different situations. Adebayor is not unhappy like Cole was, he just wants to win things.
Wenger is a great manager. He will surely find adequate replacement.
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I read it on Mediaset owned TV teletext which may not be 100% correct but its a much more reliable source then the Sun and the People.

Wenger is a great manager. He will surely find adequate replacement.

I don't read the Sun or the People, ever. You choose to believe speculation because you want it to be true, I just don't think it's likely.

Not one who can immediately replace him right now, there is none. He would probably go out and Bafetimbi Gomis, but I am sure their fans would be starting to run out of patience if he replaced someone who was becoming one of the best strikers in the Premier League with a relative unknown.
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Old 27th June 2008, 21:13   #58 (permalink)
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Despite stating that he would stay with Arsenal, Emmanuel Adebayor is definitely keeping his eyes open to new opportunities, and is saying he could still sign with Milan. Here are some excerpts from his interview.

Adebayor spoke at a press conference saying, “I have three more years with Arsenal, I have a good team there, I have a good contract.

“The most important thing is to keep enjoying myself. Of course (I am staying) I have three more years.

“You can see people changing clubs because of money, because they want a change of atmosphere or to get their names in the big leagues. I just play football to enjoy myself. I play because I love it.

“We all have the same ideas and we all want to achieve something. We have a good boss which is Arsene Wenger, he tries to bring this atmosphere to the dressing room where we feel like brothers and like family.

“Those are the reasons that give us a chance to play the football we play. We play good football, now we look forward to winning trophies.”

But later, in a one-on-one interview with Sky Sports, the player was considerably more ambiguous with regards his future.

“I am a footballer, I have a three-year contract at Arsenal but as you know, a lot of clubs are interested in me,” he told Sky Sports News.

“At the moment we are just going to sit down and talk and decide what to do.

“Nothing has been decided yet. We will decide next week.”
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Old 27th June 2008, 21:15   #59 (permalink)
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They have Eduardo and Nasri. They'll cope without Adebayor easy enough imo
Yes a man with a broken leg and an attacking midfielder. That's what they will need to replace a target man.
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Old 27th June 2008, 21:51   #60 (permalink)
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Cole was also on his way up, considered the best or at the very least, one of the best few left backs in the world. He was important to Arsenal.

Adebayor seems like an equally greedy cnut from his comments last season when he spoke about us trying to sign him. I believe he spoke mainly about money. So if the money comes calling, as it did with Cole, there's no reason to suggest that Wenger will rule out selling him to us. Selling to Chelsea is far worse.
yeah, but the cole deal was brilliant. Get Gallas plus 5m, and you already have Coles replacement with Clichy, as well as a couple of other decent young fullbacks coming through. that was just good business

As for selling a 30 goal striker who is only 22/23, that's risky - who do you replace him with?
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Old 27th June 2008, 22:05   #61 (permalink)
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yeah, but the cole deal was brilliant. Get Gallas plus 5m, and you already have Coles replacement with Clichy, as well as a couple of other decent young fullbacks coming through. that was just good business

As for selling a 30 goal striker who is only 22/23, that's risky - who do you replace him with?
They replaced Henry well enough didn't they?
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They replaced Henry well enough didn't they?
When he was on his way down, that's what Wenger does. Adebayor has plenty of good years left in him. If he leaves I think that would signal the decline of his reign.
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Despite stating that he would stay with Arsenal, Emmanuel Adebayor is definitely keeping his eyes open to new opportunities, and is saying he could still sign with Milan. Here are some excerpts from his interview.

Adebayor spoke at a press conference saying, “I have three more years with Arsenal, I have a good team there, I have a good contract.

“The most important thing is to keep enjoying myself. Of course (I am staying) I have three more years.

“You can see people changing clubs because of money, because they want a change of atmosphere or to get their names in the big leagues. I just play football to enjoy myself. I play because I love it.

“We all have the same ideas and we all want to achieve something. We have a good boss which is Arsene Wenger, he tries to bring this atmosphere to the dressing room where we feel like brothers and like family.

“Those are the reasons that give us a chance to play the football we play. We play good football, now we look forward to winning trophies.”

But later, in a one-on-one interview with Sky Sports, the player was considerably more ambiguous with regards his future.

“I am a footballer, I have a three-year contract at Arsenal but as you know, a lot of clubs are interested in me,” he told Sky Sports News.

“At the moment we are just going to sit down and talk and decide what to do.

“Nothing has been decided yet. We will decide next week.”
He answered "Yes, of course" when asked if he was staying. Check out the Skysports website.
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When he was on his way down, that's what Wenger does. Adebayor has plenty of good years left in him. If he leaves I think that would signal the decline of his reign.
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Why dont we go for him? .......
Cause Arsenal would never sell him to Arsenal. & no Ashley Cole is not a good or valid example
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