Arshavin And Milito

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

No. We are saying it cause it is true. Bentley is not yet a 17 million pound player. Period.

Plus it is also very doubtful that he will add success to Spurs they way those 3 added to us last year.

jatin

I see you have completely ignored that point of mine
its quite clear whose point is crap

jatin

Bentley's career path (age 23)

Arsenal - NORWICH - Arsenal - blackburn

you can clearly see a downward trend there

Nani's career so far (age 21 - 2 years younger than bentley)

Sporting - Man United - PL & CL winner

how can anyone argue with that

Rowem

For £17m you have to ask yourself...could he fit in at a top 4 club? If not then I don't think they're worth it.

Certainly Bentley isn't good enough for United, Chelsea or Arsenal. Even with Liverpool's distinct lack of decent right wingers and general shitness in comparison to the top 3, they weren't interested and they weren't interested for a reason. Conversely I'm quite sure that any of the top 4 would welcome Anderson, Nani or Hargreaves into their squad.

AttackingFlair

If I'm not allowed to make the Park reference then who is left to compare? Giggs? Do you think the Giggs of last season is levels ahead of Bentley too?

I know now you're going to say "look at the age difference" but that's not the point. You were only basing your opinion on that post where you claimed Nani was levels above just because of the PL & CL win. It was completely ignorant and now you're trying to change things and be like for the Park example "he was injured" and for Giggs you'll now use "look at the age difference".

End of the day, it's ignorant to say Nani is levels above because of last seasons achievements which implies that any United player is better than any other player because of its achievements. You don't need to change the story now do you?

It is a fairer comment to say something like "Nani is a better player than Bentley" saying "levels above" is ridiculous.

GlastonSpur

It still amounts to making a silly claim and then not backing it up. Should I invent some pretend quotes from you and then refuse to find them?

Yeah, thanks for explaining that to us all. We've learnt something.

Also wrong. I have probably speculated - in common with 100s of other posters on RedCafe - about a dozen or more different players.

Off the top of my head I can recall mentioning Coloccini, at least 2 other GKs besides Gomes, Capel and several others.

And as I've already said, it's your unwarranted assumption that I would mention every single player that I hear we're after - regardless of whether or not we get them.

Have it your own way. I give up: You're a MUFC fan (I presume) and you know and hear as much about Spurs as I do, probably more in fact.

How could I doubt it?

jatin

Did park cost us 17m did he ?

ignorant
you are fuckin out of your mind if you think bentley is at the same level as nani

nani fuckin bollocked all over the arse defense in the FA cup match
the same arsenal team which kicked bentley out


forget giggs and de rossi and every one else
lets stick to teh players in question

nani, anderson, hargreaves and bentley

if bentley is worth 17m then the otehr 3 are atleast worth 30m each

Brwned

Nani is already a better player than Bentley, and is 2/3 years younger so will obviously become much better than Bentley. No-one should really try to deny that and actually believe it, even GlastonSpur. He had a good season last season but his abilities are clearly very limited.

Anderson, Nani and Hargreaves are obviously all better players than Bentley. It has nothing to do with who he plays for or what he has done in his career so far, it's blatantly obvious to any random football fan.

But top wingers are rare right now and so Spurs are picking the best one they can find that is proven in the Premier League and is available to them. The price is far too much but people pay too much attention to prices these days, market valuations are all over the place. David Nugent went for £6m last year, I'm sure no-one will deny that Bentley is three times the player Nugent is. Blackburn know Spurs need a winger and they know Spurs have money, so the transfer fee was always going to be high.

If Rafa was given £17m to buy Bentley and still have money for other targets, he would do so. But he is still looking to buy players like Barry and Keane and so doesn't seem too interested in spending money on a winger. I'm sure it has more to do with money than him not rating Bentley.

GlastonSpur

Lack of money ring any bells?

They can't afford Bentley on top of Keane, far less on top of Barry also.

AttackingFlair

I never said Park cost us £17m... you're the guy who's implying our players are better than everyone else's because we won the CL & PL which is baseless and ignorant.

Why would anyone be "out of their fucking minds" to think Bentley and Nani are on a similar level? Like I've said, Bentley is a consistent and established premiership winger with end product even for a smaller team like Blackburn. Nani is a winger for our club who isn't a regular but has still done well. What's the massive difference that makes Nani "levels above"? Like I've said, saying Nani is a better player than Bentley is much fairer but "levels above" is taking the piss.

I've also said maybe Nani will be "levels above" in the future, but right now... no.

crappycraperson

With all the talk of them being the best in prem, would you swap Roon and Tevez for them? As I said before, they stand out because no other team seems to play a proper 2 forward partnership. Chelsea don't, Arsenal don't, Liverpool don't and we switch between 433 and 442. Even then both Rooney and Tevez had similar goal returns as Keane-Berb in the league.

If people had told me when Berbatov first came to Spurs, that we would be paying 25m+ for him two years later, I would not have believed that as well. Similarly I don't know what kind of quality Arshavin and Milto will show. If they play to their reputation and in russian's case, reach the potential he is being touted to have, they could be better than Keane-Berba.

KeyserSoze

I took the time to find one. You did your best to twist the words by saying you did not say names or you said "if". It did not work as Arshavin and Milito are who you mentioned elsewhere. Im not doing it again and im happy to let you pretend you have not intimated that would be the case and you have a secret list of players.

Witty. However, anyone can see the reason why I initially brought it up is because its who would be directly replacing them in your scenario. They are not as good as Keane And Berbatov.

Maybe however are any of them able replacements for Keane and Berbatov as was the point in the beginning. No. I have also said clearly I was talking about those childish hypothetical line ups you posted. Please stop pretending you have inside knowledge of the players Spurs want, we hear exactly what you do. Nobody there would lead you to say...

"I'd also add that there are some very good players on the list of who Ramos wants .... at least two of them (if we get them) will make Spurs fans say "Robbie who?" and maybe even "Bye bye Berby - have fun".

No. You dont give up, your just running out of ways to twist my words etc. The fact still remains two of your best players are up for sale and your on here talking tripe about Levy's dossier or Ramos's transfer list as if you have inside knowledge, its pathetic. I dont come on here pretending I have inside knowledge on our affairs.

By the way if you feel the need to reply and blurt out more fantasy could you please do it in one cohesive paragraph instead of this multiquoting web you have started. Im sure you still will be able to fit in some out of context, supposedly witty remarks without it.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Agreed

Rowem

It doesnt really effect my point anyway. Bentley would not fit in at a top club. Liverpool are so far adrift of the top 3 yet for some reason it's generally considered a 'top 4', so I decided to use that basic base in my post. Probably should have stuck to the top 3 then.

Also, I just assumed Rafa wasn't interested in Bentley seeing as they are so weak on the right wing yet they have money to spend in areas where they aren't so shit. Then again it is Rafa, so who knows.

Also to be fair to Spurs, £17m for Bentley is a far better deal than ~£20m for Keane so w/e.

crappycraperson

Well put.

Sarni

All top 4 teams except Liverpool have wingers of better quality than Bentley, that's not even debatable. Liverpool is the only place where he could find employment although it's due to a very poor personnel they currently have in that area.

Nani is a better player than him at virtually everything as well. His shooting is better, his dribbling is better, his crossing is about as good, his pace is about as good. He's physically worse but will close the gap soon.

Brwned

You really think so? Does that mean you think Bentley is a better player than Keane or is just better value for money?

I personally think that Spurs are better off going for Capel, and I would think he would be available for around the same price.

Liverpool need Keane more than Spurs need Bentley imo.

jatin

I never said our players are better than others because we won the PL and CL
in that case i would also be implying that nani is better than messi which he clearly isn't (again messi is at another level)

I said that nani, anderson and hargo are at a different level than bentley
and that is very much true
if you dont see that, then maybe you are takin the piss

AttackingFlair

I didn't dispute Anderson because he's going to be a special player IMO. Hargreaves would be an odd comparison but Nani is not levels above right now. If you're talking about potential then that's fair enough maybe I misunderstood.

Brwned

I always think it's difficult to compare the speed of players but I thought it was fairly clear cut that Nani is faster. I'd call Nani fast, I wouldn't call Bentley fast though.

Rowem

It's not necessarily a case of who is better. I can't see Keane doing well at Liverpool. Also you have to consider that Bentley is younger, and the fact that their are far more strikers who are better than Keane available than there are better wingers than Bentley available.

Not sure if that makes sense but its late and I need to sleep.

jatin

agreed

but i feel babel is better than bentley

crappycraperson

Eboue started on right for Arsenal for majority of the season. Bentley would have definitely started ahead of him. I think Bentley is just about there to play for a top 4 team. He won't be a key player or improve a top side but he won't be a weak link either.

jatin