Arshavin And Milito

FlawlessThaw · 23rd July 2008, 21:15

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Originally Posted by CasaStreets

How the fuck would we know until we saw Bently playing for Spurs anyway? I'm not trying to say that Nani, Anderson, and Hargreaves aren't solid contributors but it's really not a given that they will play better for us than Bentley will for (a possibly improved) Spurs side.

You can judge Bentley on how he has played for Blackburn and England.

Younited.7 · 23rd July 2008, 21:18

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

We haven't signed him yet. Will we?

As pointed out to Penny Crayon - the bandwagon is rolling.

Yes, you and 10,000 others, including me.

No, you clung to the hope that you were keeping him. Don't lie, in January you were harping on about a long contract and how Spurs have armadillo-like resilience. What a load of bollocks that turned out to be, you have submitted a pathetic dossier that has got the whole of the premiership laughing.

Look at us...

And the logic that Spurs are bound to sign Milito is what?

Ramos + limited funds = second rate Spanish players.

See you can do it too.

Boobies.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd July 2008, 21:19

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

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Are all 3 of them better deals for the money than Bentley? Personally I don't think so.

Compare each of them to what you paid for Bent, think of what they added to the United team last year then try saying that statement again.

GlastonSpur · 23rd July 2008, 21:21

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson are international quality players.

Bentley sadly is not.

Bentley will likely get more international caps over the next 2 or 3 years than at least 1 of your 3, possibly more than 2 of your 3, and maybe even more than all 3 of your 3.

GlastonSpur · 23rd July 2008, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Compare each of them to what you paid for Bent, think of what they added to the United team last year then try saying that statement again.

We're discussing Bentley, not Bent.

Ceks · 23rd July 2008, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Younited.7

I don't know whether that was sarcasm, or an actual question.

I'm guessing that it was sarcastic, as they clearly have not, and you have been abnormally belligerent today.

I made a prediction, and the bandwagon just started rolling, i was merely pointing out that i had foreseen this happening - whether it be true, or not.

You assumed wrong. I had been on a driving lesson, just got back, cooked my dinner, sat down, and clicked on the thread. Where it took me to the last page. I had no idea before I started reading back through the thread.

So yes, it was a question.

Lil Cee · 23rd July 2008, 21:25

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Nani doesnt start for Portugal.
Anderson doesnt start for Brazil.
Hargreaves isnt guaranteed to start for England.

Dirk Kuyt is an international quality player.

Portugal has 4 of arguably the 10 best wide players in the world (according to Scolari anyway)

Anderson was the youngest player to be picked for Brazil for the Copa's last summer, and it's Brazil FFS

Bentley isnt guaranteed a place in the England squad at all. and Hargreaves showed last season that he's far more versatile than Bentley and has similar crossing and free kick ability

amolbhatia100 · 23rd July 2008, 21:27

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Bentley will likely get more international caps over the next 2 or 3 years than at least 1 of your 3, possibly more than 2 of your 3, and maybe even more than all 3 of your 3.

Anderson's the one who stands out the most, one of the best young footballers around. Worth more than we got him for.

jatin · 23rd July 2008, 21:30

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

That doesn't prove they are all better players than Bentley. Common sense will tell you to take into serious account the quality of the players around them.

common sense would also tell you that bentley wasnt even good enough to replace a 33 years old beckham from the england team

common sense would also tell you if he is worth 17m, then arsenal would have never let him go

and if you couldnt see anderson's class when we played liverpool and arsenal
and how much he helped us in the games that scholes missed then you have no hope whatsoever

hargreaves was pivotal in the second half of the season
and nani was a macth winner on several occasions (you ahve probably forgotten than goal against spurs at OT)

Lil Cee · 23rd July 2008, 21:30

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Bentley will likely get more international caps over the next 2 or 3 years than at least 1 of your 3, possibly more than 2 of your 3, and maybe even more than all 3 of your 3.

sorry mate, that just sounds like your desperate now. i would be willing to bet that all 3 of them will at least be in their national team squads everytime for the next 2 or 3 years when fit

GlastonSpur · 23rd July 2008, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Younited.7

No, you clung to the hope that you were keeping him. Don't lie, in January you were harping on about a long contract and how Spurs have armadillo-like resilience.

Totally wrong.

It was last summer and this past January that I said - in the teeth of widespread criticism and disbelief - that Berbatov would not be sold. Events proved that to be correct.

Since then, and whatever I hope, I have consistently said that Berbatov will almost certainly be sold this summer, even if I've also said that nothing is ever 100% certain. I've mentioned his long contract - and Levy's tough negotiating style - only in the context of the high fee I expect us to get for him.

I could dig up a dozen or more posts from me to this effect but I can't be arsed.

If you won't accept this then I challenge you to dig up a quote from me that says he'll be staying at Spurs for next season.

AttackingFlair · 23rd July 2008, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Nani doesnt start for Portugal.
Anderson doesnt start for Brazil.
Hargreaves isnt guaranteed to start for England.

Dirk Kuyt is an international quality player.

Exactly.

Bentley is a class player anyway. Arshavin and Milito would be great signings too.

OK Spurs may be losing two of their best players, but after that they have to look how to improve and the above three would be great signings for them IMO. There's not much more to say.

GlastonSpur · 23rd July 2008, 21:35

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Originally Posted by amolbhatia100

Anderson's the one who stands out the most, one of the best young footballers around. Worth more than we got him for.

I could agree with that: be interesting to see how he develops this coming season.

FlawlessThaw · 23rd July 2008, 21:37

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Bentley will likely get more international caps over the next 2 or 3 years than at least 1 of your 3, possibly more than 2 of your 3, and maybe even more than all 3 of your 3.

Anderson and Bentley are on the same level in their respective international teams. The only thing anderson has on his side his that he only just turned 20.

Nani will probably start for Quieroz in the Portuguese team. Especially if Simao continues to perform as he does.

Hargreaves started the last game ahead of Barry in the last England game both were available for.

So I really don't see it. All three are worth it compared to Bentley, the other player is most likely to be like his half namesake.

Younited.7 · 23rd July 2008, 21:37

Bentley is a good player, nothing more nothing less.

Buying precocious talents such as Nani incurs a greater risk, but as in Ronaldos case - the gains can be massive to extraordinary.

I think that the ex-Arsenal winger could do well if paired with a striker that likes to head the ball, also a contributory factor to his success at Blackburn; Benni Mc and later Sant Cruz.

FlawlessThaw · 23rd July 2008, 21:37

If Spurs get Arshavin and Milito then if I was Arsenal and Liverpool I would be looking over my shoulder.

jatin · 23rd July 2008, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Nani doesnt start for Portugal.
Anderson doesnt start for Brazil.
Hargreaves isnt guaranteed to start for England.

Dirk Kuyt is an international quality player.

that is more due to the state of the english team

portugal played in the euro's england did not
anderson is competing against the likes of kaka, ronaldinho for a place in teh brazil team, bentley is not

hargreaves isnt guaranteed to start for england - neither is bentley

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Bentley will likely get more international caps over the next 2 or 3 years than at least 1 of your 3, possibly more than 2 of your 3, and maybe even more than all 3 of your 3.

again that is more due to the lack of quality english players in the position bentley plays in
also nani will play more for portugal than bentley for england in the near future

and if hargo stays fit then that is applicable to him as well,
andersons future in the brazilian team , depends on which ronaldinho shows up at milan

GlastonSpur · 23rd July 2008, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Lil Cee

sorry mate, that just sounds like your desperate now. i would be willing to bet that all 3 of them will at least be in their national team squads everytime for the next 2 or 3 years when fit

They may be in the squads, just like Bentley will, but that doesn't mean that each and everyone is going to get more caps than Bentley.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd July 2008, 21:38

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

We're discussing Bentley, not Bent.

He falls in the same category of player. Which is my point. In case you hadn't noticed. Hargreaves, Nani and Anderson are all above his standard. Unless he wins you the league or a top 4 place. There is little chance of him ever being as good a deal as the three we signed last summer.

AttackingFlair · 23rd July 2008, 21:40

You're ripping on Bentley because he doesn't play regularly for England and can't replace Beckham?

Why don't you rip on Carrick for not even being called up and not breaking into a midfield where a problem for England lies?

Yeah OK..

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd July 2008, 21:40

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Bentley will likely get more international caps over the next 2 or 3 years than at least 1 of your 3, possibly more than 2 of your 3, and maybe even more than all 3 of your 3.

That is wishful thinking at it's worst. Bentley has failed to displace a 33 year old Beckham. He is infact more likely to have men like Young and Walcott replace him in the England squad instead.

jatin · 23rd July 2008, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

That is wishful thinking at it's worst. Bentley has failed to displace a 33 year old Beckham. He is infact more likely to have men like Young and Walcott replace him in the England squad instead.

seconded

jatin · 23rd July 2008, 21:42

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Originally Posted by AttackingFlair

You're ripping on Bentley because he doesn't play regularly for England and can't replace Beckham?

Why don't you rip on Carrick for not even being called up and not breaking into a midfield where a problem for England lies?

Yeah OK..

because no one has said that carrick is better than someone who is levels above him

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd July 2008, 21:43

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Originally Posted by AttackingFlair

You're ripping on Bentley because he doesn't play regularly for England and can't replace Beckham?

Why don't you rip on Carrick for not even being called up and not breaking into a midfield where a problem for England lies?

Who told you people haven't?

Younited.7 · 23rd July 2008, 21:43

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Totally wrong.

It was last summer and this past January that I said - in the teeth of widespread criticism and disbelief - that Berbatov would not be sold. Events proved that to be correct.

Since then, and whatever I hope, I have consistently said that Berbatov will almost certainly be sold this summer, even if I've also said that nothing is ever 100% certain. I've mentioned his long contract - and Levy's tough negotiating style - only in the context of the high fee I expect us to get for him.

I could dig up a dozen or more posts from me to this effect but I can't be arsed.

If you won't accept this then I challenge you to dig up a quote from me that says he'll be staying at Spurs for next season.

It's a stand-off then because i can't be arsed either.

I remember you incessantly coming up with points against, though this may not have reflected your opinion, we know all about your Spurs tinted glasses. You however remember differently.

Agree to disagree then.

Anybody watching Marco Pierre White?

I love this man.

REd FUn DevIl · 23rd July 2008, 21:43

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Bentley will likely get more international caps over the next 2 or 3 years than at least 1 of your 3, possibly more than 2 of your 3, and maybe even more than all 3 of your 3.

Bentley the next Pele.

FlawlessThaw · 23rd July 2008, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

That is wishful thinking at it's worst. Bentley has failed to displace a 33 year old Beckham. He is infact more likely to have men like Young and Walcott replace him in the England squad instead.

Spot on least on Walcott.

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Younited.7 united.7 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St Evenage Posts: 2,081	Bentley is a good player, nothing more nothing less. Buying precocious talents such as Nani incurs a greater risk, but as in Ronaldos case - the gains can be massive to extraordinary. I think that the ex-Arsenal winger could do well if paired with a striker that likes to head the ball, also a contributory factor to his success at Blackburn; Benni Mc and later Sant Cruz.

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 2,889	You're ripping on Bentley because he doesn't play regularly for England and can't replace Beckham? Why don't you rip on Carrick for not even being called up and not breaking into a midfield where a problem for England lies? Yeah OK..

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