Benzema

ERICSAGOD · 10th June 2008, 06:04

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Originally Posted by Forever Red

He's also said that he has no desire to play in England and wants a move to Spain

After watching him against Romania, he can fcuk off to Spain, rubbish performance, but not as bad as Anelka.

devilish · 10th June 2008, 08:32

I was more impressed about that Dutch striker who scored a goal against Italy and nearly scored another two. Can we swap him with the Saha guy?

peterstorey · 10th June 2008, 08:36

France were woefully short of craft in midfield, night-and-day contrast with Holland a couple of hours later. Benzema had a mare, wrong decisions, overdribbling, poor first touch.

IhabX7 · 10th June 2008, 09:17

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

France were woefully short of craft in midfield, night-and-day contrast with Holland a couple of hours later. Benzema had a mare, wrong decisions, overdribbling, poor first touch.

He's 20, he will go on to be a world beater. Bump this thread in a couple of years time.

UnofficialDevil · 10th June 2008, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Bad finishing.

Because Benzema finished poorly? Yeah, Rooney doesn't do that...

Benzema was actually playing in Rooney's role today and did a pretty good job at it. It was only the finish that was missing, which I repeat - sums up Rooney's entire season.

His first touch, dribbling and team play and at times his movement too, were all good. He also showed his mentality and work rate by tackling back at times and forcing errors. He just didnt give his first shot enough conviction and put it right at the keeper, and the second one which he created for himself he snatched at and put it wide.

This shouldnt be unexpected. He's 20 years old and playing in his first ever international tournament and his strike partner, the very experienced Henry, was unable to play.

Anelka was doing him no favours by being greedy. A few passes from Anelka and the partnership would have been working well in my opinion.

Anyone dismisses him after one performance, especially this one where he did exactly what Rooney was doing all season, is having a fecking laugh

He was one of France's better players and looking at the team sheet, thats a heck of a statement, given his age and inexperience.

Then why was he substituted if he was one of France's best players?.

His first touch, dribbling and team play were not better than Rooney's.

Rooney often ends up as a right back trying to pick up the ball and counter attack, he is all over the pitch and his energy and power creates havoc to the opposing team.

And being his first ever international tournament shouldn't be an excuse just as it wasn't for Rooney when he was only 18.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 10th June 2008, 09:57

TBF UnofficialDevil, Rooney was never surrounded by the type of dross performance Benzema 's teammates put in yesterday, when he made his Euro Nations cup bow.

Escobar · 10th June 2008, 10:03

So because he has one poor game without any service at all he isnt a great talent anymore?

Lot 49 · 10th June 2008, 10:05

Benzema is awesome but he was pretty crap yesterday.

France were fucking terrible as a team though, if they play that Makelele and Toulalan central midfield partnership in the other games they're going to get crushed.

UnofficialDevil · 10th June 2008, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

TBF UnofficialDevil, Rooney was never surrounded by the type of dross performance Benzema 's teammates put in yesterday, when he made his Euro Nations cup bow.

True.
But Rooney was amazing when he played for Everton, he stood out from the rest of the team like a shining light.And his teammates then were not exactly world class.

All I am saying is that I had only seen Benzema play in a couple of matches up until yesterday, I had been reading that he is Europe's hottest striker all over the place, and it just made me realise watching him yesterday what a top player Rooney really is.

red2deadboy · 10th June 2008, 10:20

benz is still class, had a poor game along with the rest of his team mates. He nearly crafted himself a goal with good foot work but snatched at his shot after making space. The guy has real potential and like rooney i believe he is worth investing in and grooming.

sincher · 10th June 2008, 10:21

I actually thought he did alright!

bbest · 10th June 2008, 10:26

France may be lacking of a good play maker to tread or pass good balls for Benzema too.

Ekeke · 10th June 2008, 10:31

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Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

Then why was he substituted if he was one of France's best players?.

His first touch, dribbling and team play were not better than Rooney's.

Rooney often ends up as a right back trying to pick up the ball and counter attack, he is all over the pitch and his energy and power creates havoc to the opposing team.

And being his first ever international tournament shouldn't be an excuse just as it wasn't for Rooney when he was only 18.

He's 20 years old. They were saving him for the next match which, it would be a surprise if he didnt start. They also subbed him off for a midfielder - not a striker, who had come on for his partner, which really shows the intentions of his manager...

The fact Rooney ends up at right back sometimes, whilst supposedly playing as an off-striker isnt actually a good thing. Benzema isnt better than Rooney at that role, but theres a number of things Benzema is better than Rooney at, and his performance yesterday was exactly like Rooney's performances this season. Everything good except finishing.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 10th June 2008, 10:40

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Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

True.
But Rooney was amazing when he played for Everton, he stood out from the rest of the team like a shining light.And his teammates then were not exactly world class.

All I am saying is that I had only seen Benzema play in a couple of matches up until yesterday, I had been reading that he is Europe's hottest striker all over the place, and it just made me realise watching him yesterday what a top player Rooney really is.

Fair enough dude. I get what you mean and I totally agree

UnofficialDevil · 10th June 2008, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Fair enough dude. I get what you mean and I totally agree

UnofficialDevil · 10th June 2008, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

He's 20 years old. They were saving him for the next match which, it would be a surprise if he didnt start. They also subbed him off for a midfielder - not a striker, who had come on for his partner, which really shows the intentions of his manager...

The fact Rooney ends up at right back sometimes, whilst supposedly playing as an off-striker isnt actually a good thing. Benzema isnt better than Rooney at that role, but theres a number of things Benzema is better than Rooney at, and his performance yesterday was exactly like Rooney's performances this season. Everything good except finishing.

Yes but your original post said:"But 1 game beats Rooney's entire season."

That is what I disagreed with.

Kelvin · 10th June 2008, 11:32

he wants to join real, nobody wants to join us anymore???

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...l&TEAMHD=spain

IhabX7 · 10th June 2008, 11:35

We're the champions of europe and england, someone has to want to join us...

KeyserSoze · 10th June 2008, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Kelvin

he wants to join real, nobody wants to join us anymore???

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...l&TEAMHD=spain

"I like Real Madrid, but I think that I'm still too young to sign for a club like that."

How this is turned into "Lyon forward Karim Benzema has added to Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson's woes by admitting he would prefer a move to Real Madrid over Old Trafford." is beyond me.

sammsky1 · 10th June 2008, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Escobar

So because he has one poor game without any service at all he isnt a great talent anymore?

LOL. So many muppets who know more than SAF?!

I'll take my chances and accept the view of our great manager and assume BENZEMA will become one of the greats in this exciting new generation of footballers and dream that he will put on the red shirt that belongs to MUFC.

anver · 10th June 2008, 11:45

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Originally Posted by Keyzer Soze

"I like Real Madrid, but I think that I'm still too young to sign for a club like that."

How this is turned into "Lyon forward Karim Benzema has added to Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson's woes by admitting he would prefer a move to Real Madrid over Old Trafford." is beyond me.

Exactly. What annoys me is that our own posters make one hell of a din that Benz prefers Real to United.

Successful · 10th June 2008, 11:45

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

He's 20 years old. They were saving him for the next match which, it would be a surprise if he didnt start. They also subbed him off for a midfielder - not a striker, who had come on for his partner, which really shows the intentions of his manager...

The fact Rooney ends up at right back sometimes, whilst supposedly playing as an off-striker isnt actually a good thing. Benzema isnt better than Rooney at that role, but theres a number of things Benzema is better than Rooney at, and his performance yesterday was exactly like Rooney's performances this season. Everything good except finishing.

Looks like someone already has his mind made up and refuse to believe otherwise. Things like "1 game beats Rooney's entire season", how the fuck can you discuss with something like that??

Top · 10th June 2008, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Kelvin

he wants to join real, nobody wants to join us anymore???

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...l&TEAMHD=spain

"But he told Spanish newspaper Marca that a move to Madrid is something that would interest him in the future."

Let me know if you see something fishy there

Everyone who talks to Marca or AS wants to join Real Madrid - just like everybody who talks to Spoons dreams of joining United.
Benzema stated a few months ago that he has supported Barca since he was kid

Ekeke · 10th June 2008, 11:57

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Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

Yes but your original post said:"But 1 game beats Rooney's entire season."

That is what I disagreed with.

Right after commenting about poor finishing.

To clarify, I meant Benzema's 1 game with poor finishing beats Rooney's entire season of bad finishing (although in truth, he had a few months where he was finishing as good as anyone else out there. So really it was 'just' most of the season where his finishing was very poor.)

sincher · 10th June 2008, 11:57

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Originally Posted by Top

Everyone who talks to Marca or AS wants to join Real Madrid - just like everybody who talks to Spoons dreams of joining United.

That's right. Same with the Gay Times and Arsenal.

noodlehair · 10th June 2008, 12:01

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Originally Posted by sincher

I actually thought he did alright!

Yeah, had some nice touches and generally looked tidy, if unthreatening.

I've seen him quite a few times now though, and he hardly compares with the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo etc. Look at what those two were already doing this time four years ago. Benzema just looks like any other decent young player.

Ekeke · 10th June 2008, 12:05

The difference would be that Ronaldo and Rooney came through at 17 and 16 years old. By the time they were 20, they were 3 or 4 years experienced.

Last season was Benzema's first as a starter and he was top scorer in his league. I know its not the premiership, but its still pretty good going for a youngster. He also scored multiple goals in the champions league, something Rooney and Ronaldo hadnt been doing till last year after Larsson left - aside from Rooney's debut hat trick of course. It was a bit of a wait till the next goals. Point is, Benzema has performed on that stage as well as they had by that age.

Benzema may play like an experienced player at times, but he is not. He's still mostly potential, but lots of it and his performance yesterday wasnt bettered by many strikers in their first games in this tournament. You also have to give credit to Romania, who dont look like they are going to be conceeding many in this tournament. Extremely well organised.

Brwned · 10th June 2008, 12:11

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

The difference would be that Ronaldo and Rooney came through at 17 and 16 years old. By the time they were 20, they were 3 or 4 years experienced.

Last season was Benzema's first as a starter and he was top scorer in his league. I know its not the premiership, but its still pretty good going for a youngster. He also scored multiple goals in the champions league, something Rooney and Ronaldo hadnt been doing till last year after Larsson left - aside from Rooney's debut hat trick of course. It was a bit of a wait till the next goals. Point is, Benzema has performed on that stage as well as they had by that age.

Benzema may play like an experienced player at times, but he is not. He's still mostly potential, but lots of it and his performance yesterday wasnt bettered by many strikers in their first games in this tournament. You also have to give credit to Romania, who dont look like they are going to be conceeding many in this tournament. Extremely well organised.

Benzema does look like a gem, anyone with common sense can see that.

But your comment comparing his one match to Rooney's whole season was fairly out of the blue and senseless. Benzema did play in the same role and did miss chances like Rooney, but he didn't spread the play around, create openings out of nothing or motivate his team to up the tempo. So his one bad game was not better than Rooney's whole 'bad' season.

I would never expect him to do what Rooney does though, just making a comment on how the comparison is unnecessary even if they were playing in the same position.

noodlehair · 10th June 2008, 12:13

Yeah, but I've watched him quite a few times, and he just doesn't look that good. Quite often against the better opponents, or even yesterday, he's failed to even get into the game.

Even when he scored that goal against us, he was hardly terrorising our back line. In fact, that was more or less the only time I even noticed him.

10th June 2008, 08:32	#82 (permalink)
devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 18,015	I was more impressed about that Dutch striker who scored a goal against Italy and nearly scored another two. Can we swap him with the Saha guy?

10th June 2008, 08:36	#83 (permalink)
peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 8,664	France were woefully short of craft in midfield, night-and-day contrast with Holland a couple of hours later. Benzema had a mare, wrong decisions, overdribbling, poor first touch.

10th June 2008, 09:57	#86 (permalink)
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Football Fanatics Central..Equator branch Posts: 20,135	TBF UnofficialDevil, Rooney was never surrounded by the type of dross performance Benzema 's teammates put in yesterday, when he made his Euro Nations cup bow.

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Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Federer-Land Posts: 11,984	So because he has one poor game without any service at all he isnt a great talent anymore?

10th June 2008, 10:05	#88 (permalink)
Lot 49 Doom Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 989	Benzema is awesome but he was pretty crap yesterday. France were fucking terrible as a team though, if they play that Makelele and Toulalan central midfield partnership in the other games they're going to get crushed.

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red2deadboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,048	benz is still class, had a poor game along with the rest of his team mates. He nearly crafted himself a goal with good foot work but snatched at his shot after making space. The guy has real potential and like rooney i believe he is worth investing in and grooming.

10th June 2008, 10:21	#91 (permalink)
sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 13,811	I actually thought he did alright!

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bbest The Caf's worst songwriter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: .................... Posts: 8,001	France may be lacking of a good play maker to tread or pass good balls for Benzema too.

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Kelvin First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,671	he wants to join real, nobody wants to join us anymore??? http://www.sportinglife.com/football...l&TEAMHD=spain

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IhabX7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,186	We're the champions of europe and england, someone has to want to join us...

10th June 2008, 12:05	#107 (permalink)
Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,112	The difference would be that Ronaldo and Rooney came through at 17 and 16 years old. By the time they were 20, they were 3 or 4 years experienced. Last season was Benzema's first as a starter and he was top scorer in his league. I know its not the premiership, but its still pretty good going for a youngster. He also scored multiple goals in the champions league, something Rooney and Ronaldo hadnt been doing till last year after Larsson left - aside from Rooney's debut hat trick of course. It was a bit of a wait till the next goals. Point is, Benzema has performed on that stage as well as they had by that age. Benzema may play like an experienced player at times, but he is not. He's still mostly potential, but lots of it and his performance yesterday wasnt bettered by many strikers in their first games in this tournament. You also have to give credit to Romania, who dont look like they are going to be conceeding many in this tournament. Extremely well organised.

10th June 2008, 12:13	#109 (permalink)
noodlehair Giggsy Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 31,521	Yeah, but I've watched him quite a few times, and he just doesn't look that good. Quite often against the better opponents, or even yesterday, he's failed to even get into the game. Even when he scored that goal against us, he was hardly terrorising our back line. In fact, that was more or less the only time I even noticed him.