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Old 29th March 2008, 08:43   #161 (permalink)
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WHy not try manucho out first !!
Because we still need another striker even if we include Manucho. At worst Manucho can replace Saha but that still only leaves us with Tevez and Rooney.

Welbeck in the future, but he needs more time.
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Old 1st April 2008, 14:45   #162 (permalink)
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Berbatov's fairly shit really, isn't he.
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Old 1st April 2008, 15:02   #163 (permalink)
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WHy not try manucho out first !!
Remember a team need at least 4 strikers to go into a season.

We just have Rooney and Tevez cause Saha is never there when needed and has proved that it wont change even if we give him 4 more seasons.

We need at least one more striker to cope with League, Champions, Fa Cup and Carling. With so many games we need department and we havent been able to rest Rooney and Tevez for awhile. We have tried to rest one of them using the 4-5-1 in plenty occasions.
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Old 18th April 2008, 09:16   #164 (permalink)
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Van Nistelrooy pressing Real Madrid to sign Huntelaar


Ruud van Nistelrooy is urging Real Madrid to go for Ajax striker Klaas Jan Huntelaar.

Italian agent Alberto Faccini, who is close to Huntelaar's representative Arnold Oosterveer, revealed: "There are teams in Spain and England that want to sign him. Among these is Real Madrid, which is following the lad very closely.

"There are also words of praise from Van Nistelrooy, who is pushing his name hard to Madrid."

Indeed, Van Nistelrooy said of Huntelaar this week: "Huntelaar is a great forward. He is a great finisher. I would sign him. Here, he would score plenty of goals. I'm sure he would succeed in Madrid."
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Old 18th April 2008, 10:01   #165 (permalink)
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Benzema is easily the best prospect out of all of them.

Huntelaar has only scored for Ajax and lets face it not everybody that scores in Holland will be a success, ie Niclas Machlas, Shota Arveladze, Mateja Kezman, Dirk Kuyt, Alfonso Alves. Granted there are exceptions, such as Van Nistelrooy, but the fact is that anybody can score in Holland. I suspect that Louis Saha would end up top goalscorer over there if he played a whole season (or half a season in his case).

Berbatov is a lot older than the other two. It's not that I don't rate Berbatov, it's just that he has only ever really had the one good season, this season. He wasn't the most prolific player in Germany and I remember watching him on the bench a lot at Leverkusen. I think he can be lazy and his attitude could be detrimental to the team. One player in the team (Ronaldo) who doesn't track back is enough. Look at the amount of work that Tevez and Rooney do off the ball. I would just prefer somebody with the same work mentality as those two. Berbatov is also not a man who will be happy sitting on the bench too often.

That leaves Karim Benzema. He is 20, will score goals, and has a great workrate. In my opinion he is suited to the PL. Look at the goal he scored against United in the cl. Fantastic. To be honest, I think he is far better than the other two.

Benzema for me, in a heartbeat.
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Old 18th April 2008, 11:14   #166 (permalink)
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Huntelaar won't fit the United style but will bring in a new dimension in his ability to hold the line. BUT !!!! We've signed Manucho already so no need for Huntelaar.

Berbs oozes with class but with our current squad I'd go for someone who'll be in the team for at least five/ten yrs.

So Benzema it is.... Has got it all. I'm no Lyon fan but after watching a couple of his matches and some of his goals this season. You have to say that he has the potential and class of a Striker we need. Just think about Benzema leading the line with Rooney/Tevez as support. Ronaldo and Nani terrorising on the Left and Right flanks and Anderson/Carrick/Hargreaves/Scholes in the middle. It's be even better than Barca's squad that won the CL two yrs ago.

That is why fergie pointed out that Benzema is his target for the summer, Realistic or not but I back Fergie to get Benzema even if he's price tag is 35mp++. It's a must !!!!

( I believe that if we win both the PL+CL we'd go for him no doubt )
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Old 18th April 2008, 11:57   #167 (permalink)
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Fuck it - buy them both!

Berba for the now & Benzema for the future!

We cant miss out on Benzema & i dont think Fergie will allow that to happen, so there's gonna be a shitload of money spent on this lad!

If United do the Double, then i think Benzema will maybe change his mind to move, anyone with the chance to play in a team that could begin dominating European football for years to come, should jump at it!

Whether Benzema wants to stay or not, that might not be his decision, as President of Lyon - Aulas, is a selling man & money is his language!!
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Old 18th April 2008, 12:13   #168 (permalink)
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Can't say enough how bloody awesome our strike partnership would be with Rooney and Benzema. I mean fck. How intimidating would it be to face Rooney and Benzema.
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Old 18th April 2008, 14:50   #169 (permalink)
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Benzema is easily the best prospect out of all of them.

Huntelaar has only scored for Ajax and lets face it not everybody that scores in Holland will be a success, ie Niclas Machlas, Shota Arveladze, Mateja Kezman, Dirk Kuyt, Alfonso Alves. Granted there are exceptions, such as Van Nistelrooy, but the fact is that anybody can score in Holland. I suspect that Louis Saha would end up top goalscorer over there if he played a whole season (or half a season in his case).

Berbatov is a lot older than the other two. It's not that I don't rate Berbatov, it's just that he has only ever really had the one good season, this season. He wasn't the most prolific player in Germany and I remember watching him on the bench a lot at Leverkusen. I think he can be lazy and his attitude could be detrimental to the team. One player in the team (Ronaldo) who doesn't track back is enough. Look at the amount of work that Tevez and Rooney do off the ball. I would just prefer somebody with the same work mentality as those two. Berbatov is also not a man who will be happy sitting on the bench too often.

That leaves Karim Benzema. He is 20, will score goals, and has a great workrate. In my opinion he is suited to the PL. Look at the goal he scored against United in the cl. Fantastic. To be honest, I think he is far better than the other two.

Benzema for me, in a heartbeat.
djibril cisse anyone?

good form in one league doesn't necessarily translate to another

whilst I agree benzema is the player we should be going fall, that argument doesn't gel (in terms of goals scored...)
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Old 22nd April 2008, 23:16   #170 (permalink)
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.... It's not that I don't rate Berbatov, it's just that he has only ever really had the one good season, this season. ....
Berbatov last season: 23 goals and 15 assists. How does that not amount to good season? It was his first in the Prem and made everyone sit up and take notice.

Some said he'd be found out this season, but again he's notched up 23 goals and 15 assists so far (with 3 games left). In both seasons he's been excellent.

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... He wasn't the most prolific player in Germany ...
He was the 2nd highest scorer in the Bundlesliga in the season before he came to Spurs.
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Old 22nd April 2008, 23:24   #171 (permalink)
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Benzema would never come to England. That's a non-starter right from the off.

I'd welcome either of the other two though. And Berbatov in particular is absolute class. He'd be immense at United.
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Old 23rd April 2008, 10:23   #172 (permalink)
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Berbatov is excellent, a true genius, although i also agree Gus goes overboard in so boldly saying he is better than Bergkamp was. It is credit enough to Berbatov to be even comparable, but to dismiss Bergkamp as inferior without debate is a joke.

Also, i can't help wanting us to sign Benzema instead, we could be talking about possible Ronaldo levels here (fat one), strikers like that are so rare. At just 20, Benzema seems to have absolutely everything, and i reckon Fergie will try if it's possible, and probably even if it isn't.

That said, again, only he or Berbatov are worth getting at the moment, and i'd be equally as delighted if we got Berbatov instead, just that Benzema's age also makes him so much more appealing.
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Old 23rd April 2008, 10:31   #173 (permalink)
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Add Villa and possibly Henry/Eto into the mix. Theres going to be alot of top class strikers available this summer. We're going to see alot of big money moves me thinks!
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Old 23rd April 2008, 10:38   #174 (permalink)
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Add Villa and possibly Henry/Eto into the mix. Theres going to be alot of top class strikers available this summer. We're going to see alot of big money moves me thinks!
we'd never go in for henry. villa likewise IMO. dippers, chelsea, and even arsenal would be preferred destinations.

eto'o will stay in barca next season, as ronaldinho is the one leaving, and barca would be stupid not to cater to eto'o since i keep saying he's the most important player in that team. yes, last year i said it when he got crocked and a lot still felt it was ronaldinho. But barca still can't effectively cover for a crocked eto'o because bojan, henry, and gudjohnsen either don't have same style/ability/or comfort level to do what eto'o does. this season messi has stepped up even more that he can be talked of as barca's most important player, but eto'o is right up there still and will continue to be. he is that good.

BUT, if eto'o's agent put him on the market, or even a sniff of a chance of him being on the market, i'd hope fergie would go in for him (that is if benzema is truely a dead deal forever).

anyways, in all honesty, i think the three fergie would look for when it comes to top level strikers are benzema, berbatov, and eto'o.
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Old 23rd April 2008, 12:32   #175 (permalink)
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According to reliable sources in Spain E'too will definitely leave Barcelona making up his mind to head for England this summer. Ronaldinho and Rijkaard to are sure to leave
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Riise? He's a great header of the ball, not afriad to ty a diving heade (fullof confidence in front of goal etc..
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Old 23rd April 2008, 12:56   #177 (permalink)
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I don't think Eto'o is the type of forward we are looking for.
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Old 23rd April 2008, 13:07   #178 (permalink)
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I don't think Eto'o is the type of forward we are looking for.
Eto'o is one of the best in the world. How can he be not the forward we are looking for then?

He has pace, can finish, can head a ball, he has everything a striker should have. I can't see any team that would resist having such a great player in it's squad.
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Old 23rd April 2008, 17:50   #181 (permalink)
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I don't think Eto'o is the type of forward we are looking for.
Unless you mean that we would be looking for a player happy to be third choice behind Rooney and Tevez, I have to disagree. Eto'o is almost the perfect match for what we need. He's like an upgraded version of Saha, except isn't quite as strong or good in the air. Unfortunately, he also seems to have a little of Saha's fitness at the moment with a few injuries over the last couple of years.

On my dream list he's behind Benzema and probably Berbatov (only because of his injury problems), but he's right up there after that.
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Old 23rd April 2008, 17:58   #182 (permalink)
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Eto'o is one of the best in the world. How can he be not the forward we are looking for then?

He has pace, can finish, can head a ball, he has everything a striker should have. I can't see any team that would resist having such a great player in it's squad.
The fact that he can't stay happy or healthy despite being first choice for a club like Barcelona, I would have Benzema anyday
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Old 23rd April 2008, 18:13   #183 (permalink)
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Eto'o is one of the best in the world. How can he be not the forward we are looking for then?

He has pace, can finish, can head a ball, he has everything a striker should have. I can't see any team that would resist having such a great player in it's squad.
So does David Villa. Most have come to the conclusion that we need someone who can hold the ball up and play as a bigger (than Tevez and Rooney) target man. But really, if Manucho gets his permit sorted, we have that dimension already - off the bench, and theres only so many forwards with great hold up play ability - most of them arent deadly in front of goal, arent that fast, or some other things that Saha brought to the side when he was actually fit.

Mario Gomez is fast, tall, scores goals with his head and feet and can beat a man. Benzema the same, with even more impressive dribbling, technique and physical ability. Berbatov can hold the ball up, create and score goals but for Spurs he's often behind the play having set it up and not fast enough to get back into the box. Still, his stats from the past 2 years are impressive - just perhaps not what we're looking for (someone who scores a little more and sets up a little less).

Huntelaar is a quality finisher, but he'd screw up our forward lines' rotation and he cant beat a man or provide anything from drifting out onto the wing.

Tevez hasn't hit top form yet but has still made a huge contribution with his goals this season. He's been as important to our season as Rooney has. But we made a bid for Benzema, according to Aulas and the next thing you know, SAF is praising the player - not refuting claims of interest. So it looks like he wants to sign another player of Tevez' quality to rotate the strikers like he has done the midfield.

Personally I'd take Eto'o or Villa in a heartbeat or if we're going for someone with more physical presence up top, Benzema (who I'm sure wont come) or Mario Gomez.
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Old 24th April 2008, 00:48   #184 (permalink)
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SAF is looking for a young player...so Berb and Eto are out..
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Old 24th April 2008, 06:03   #185 (permalink)
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Unless you mean that we would be looking for a player happy to be third choice behind Rooney and Tevez, I have to disagree. Eto'o is almost the perfect match for what we need. He's like an upgraded version of Saha, except isn't quite as strong or good in the air. Unfortunately, he also seems to have a little of Saha's fitness at the moment with a few injuries over the last couple of years.

On my dream list he's behind Benzema and probably Berbatov (only because of his injury problems), but he's right up there after that.
I know he's a great striker, but I don't think that he'd want to play second fiddle to Rooney-Tevez. With the performances this season, Tevez gets a nod over Rooney for me in terms of total performance and end product. Hands down.

Splashing big big money for Eto'o wouldn't be beneficial for us in the long run because I can't see Ferguson dropping Rooney, which would probably stunt Tevez's development after just getting acclimated in the squad.

Forget not that we have played this whole entire campaign with two strikers, so who is saying we can't do it again? Taking into consideration the return of highly rated Campbell, the possible arrival of Manucho, and the slight chance that Welbeck makes the transition, I could see Ferguson not spending this summer.
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If Manucho doesnt make an instant impact you need someone who can play the Up front role.

You need

---------Manucho/newbie-------------
Rooney/Tevez----------Ronaldo/Tevez

All players playing in their proper roles. thats a view from outside anyway... though i seem to be repeating what most people have said.
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If Manucho doesnt make an instant impact you need someone who can play the Up front role.

You need

---------Manucho/newbie-------------
Rooney/Tevez----------Ronaldo/Tevez

All players playing in their proper roles. thats a view from outside anyway... though i seem to be repeating what most people have said.
I agree. But Manucho probably isn't good enough, he can't even get a game in Greece ffs.
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I agree. But Manucho probably isn't good enough, he can't even get a game in Greece ffs.
that doesnt mean he is not good enough. From Ive heard when he has played he has been good. Remember Rossi couldnt get games at Newcastle doesnt mean hes a bad player
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