Berbatov

jatin · 14th July 2008, 22:44

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Doubtless similar things were being said about Modric, whose 'name recognition and profile' was (and is) at least as big as Arshavin's is now.

That's not to say that Spurs are after him, but if we are/were then we'd be in with a definite shout. Never say never as far as Spurs are concerned. We might not be in the CL, but the club has a bigger pulling power than you seem to imagine and might just have one or two surprises in store this summer

what are you smokin mate

the only other club that made any offer for modric were Newcastle (and yeah you have more pulling power than them)

Arsenal were interested but never made any genuine offer.

As far as arshavin is concerned there is genuine interest from barca, chelsea, arsenal

if you think if those clubs actually make an offer for him, and he would sign for you then you need serious help

kiddaa · 14th July 2008, 22:46

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Originally Posted by KeyserSoze

Gus, you have a serious "man crush" on Berbatov, it is plain this goes beyond him as a footballer. The deal could never happen pal, just like me with Batigol

if berba comes we will have a decent looking striker, since rossi left.

Ekeke · 14th July 2008, 22:47

Nobody doubts his quality. Seriously. Who is saying he isn't a very good/one of the best strikers in the premiership?

I don't see anybody saying that. Maybe someone was ghosted?

Paddy · 14th July 2008, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Elliott

2 words: Djemba.

Bellion, Miller, Kleberson, Taibi, several other shite keepers. The man is a legend but not infallible.

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Originally Posted by GE

He'd be a great signing, but £28m

Fucking hell! I'd rather us pay half that for a younger striker ...Huntelaar.

Huntelaar would not be available for half this fee, more like £18-20 million at least.

Younited.7 · 14th July 2008, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Nobody doubts his quality. Seriously. Who is saying he isn't a very good/one of the best strikers in the premiership?

I don't see anybody saying that. Maybe someone was ghosted?

You missed the assertion:

"Unless people really really doubt Berbatovs ability then i think it is whimsical for them to criticise this particular transfer"

See how it hinges on that word, yes, shall i continue?

The point being that unless you doubt Berbatovs ability, you have no ground for criticising the transfer, we would pay similar money for any other top striker in the world, even more. So the point is; unless you think he isn't one of the top strikers in the world, money is a not really an issue you could take up with Ferguson.

Otherwise...

If it is his attributes, and how suitable they are when fitting them into our team, i would take Fergusons view as far more valuable than your own. Some have said Djemba Djemba, but when you spend 3m on a player, you incur a far greater risk - Berbatov is proven within a certain bracket of player, Fergie has decided (apparently) that he is the most suitable player. I tend to agree with him.

You have a penchant for totally missing the point.

Ekeke · 14th July 2008, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Younited.7

You missed the assertion:

"Unless people really really doubt Berbatovs ability then i think it is whimsical for them to criticise this particular transfer"

See how it hinges on that word, yes, shall i continue?

The point being that unless you doubt Berbatovs ability, you have no ground for criticising the transfer

You really dont know what you're talking about do you.

GusHiddink · 14th July 2008, 23:01

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Originally Posted by KeyserSoze

Gus, you have a serious "man crush" on Berbatov, it is plain this goes beyond him as a footballer. The deal could never happen pal, just like me with Batigol

No i just seen him fitting like an absolute pre cast glove.

And taking us onto a different level. Would you not be like a 7yr old child if you believed we were signing someone as good as dennis bergkamp....maybe as good as cantona.

KeyserSoze · 14th July 2008, 23:05

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Originally Posted by GusHiddink

No i just seen him fitting like an absolute pre cast glove.

And taking us onto a different level. Would you not be like a 7yr old child if you believed we were signing someone as good as dennis bergkamp....maybe as good as cantona.

No, Gus I am a fan of Berbatov as a player as well. Believe he has the sort of talent and arrognace to make a big impact at any club. Its just not a done deal yet, thats all im saying.

Im red2 · 14th July 2008, 23:07

I can't personally see how we can need someone like Berbatov, But then again I am not the manager(thank God) and up to now that guy SAF or whatever they call him has always done the right thing. So if he thinks we need Berbatov then we fuckin need Berbatov.

Younited.7 · 14th July 2008, 23:07

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

You really dont know what you're talking about do you.

No Ekeke, you have absolutely no answer to what i have said, so you didn't.

Stumped.

You are Mcfuckwit, renowned plonker and general idiot.

VoetbalWizard · 14th July 2008, 23:08

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Originally Posted by GusHiddink

No i just seen him fitting like an absolute pre cast glove.

And taking us onto a different level. Would you not be like a 7yr old child if you believed we were signing someone as good as dennis bergkamp....maybe as good as cantona.

well from a purely footballing standpoint, i rate bergkamp at a higher level than cantona, as many objective people do.

i'd be quite happy if he's as good as teddy was for us (remember teddy won pfa and fwa player of the year awards his last season with united).

i've come around the berbatov deal. i mean, i've always rated him but was always hung up over the price. now i just don't care anymore, he's quality, get him in asap, get him training with wazza and tevez and lets get on with it.

GlastonSpur · 14th July 2008, 23:09

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Originally Posted by jatin

what are you smokin mate

the only other club that made any offer for modric were Newcastle (and yeah you have more pulling power than them)

Arsenal were interested but never made any genuine offer.

As far as arshavin is concerned there is genuine interest from barca, chelsea, arsenal

if you think if those clubs actually make an offer for him, and he would sign for you then you need serious help

Pulling power is partly about having money. If "Arsenal were interested but never made any genuine offer", then how do you know it wasn't because they didn't have the cash bearing in mind their need/desire to also sign other players in other positions?

And how do you know that "the only other club that made any offer for modric were Newcastle"? From newspapers?

The fact is that many were surprised when Spurs announced Modric. As I've said before - Spurs have a lot more going for them than you think. Not least Ramos - one of the most highly respected managers in Europe.

Pulling power is also partly about showing a player that you really, really want them. There was interest in Berbatov from MUFC originally, but Spurs got him.

Pulling power is also sometimes about providing regular first team opportunities. Arshavin (for example) could go to Barca or Chelseas and spend half his time or more sitting on the bench, or come to Spurs and play week and week out. That's one reason why we got Bale, despite reported MUFC interest (and no, I don't know how real that interest was and neither I suspect do you).

And pulling power is also about being in the Prem - many players want to try their hand in the toughest league in the world. Not all of them want to play in La Liga.

I'm not saying Spurs are after Arshavin, but if we are then I wouldn't rule us out by any means.

Younited.7 · 14th July 2008, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

You really dont know what you're talking about do you.

And you don't have any ground for criticising the transfer unless you doubt his ability because:

Price - top talent, top dollar. It's self explanatory.

Attributes - Fergie knows a hell of a lot more than you.

Don't worry, continue your way around the forum making a belligerent idiot of yourself.

Ekeke · 14th July 2008, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Younited.7

No Ekeke, you have absolutely no answer to what i have said, so you didn't.

Stumped.

You are Mcfuckwit, renowned plonker and general idiot.

I will say this for your sake. No matter how many times you insult me, you will never gain my praise or respect.

I know you just want my attention and for me to give you a big hug and say "It's okay man. I see past your cheesy insults, hypocricy and strange use of punctuation and you're still my man"

However this is not going to happen. So how about we get to debating football matters rather than trying to hone a craft of trash talking you clearly aren't suited for? I'd imagine its for the best for everyone.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 14th July 2008, 23:12

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Its difficult to not rate him. He is clearly talented. Whether he is the right fit for our squad, both talent-wise and as a character, remains to be seen. I have doubts, based on things that I have seen with my own eyes.

The difference between you and I Chief, is that I'm happy to admit that my opinion is based on incomplete information, whereas you are not. Which makes you a muppet*

Rather the difference between you and me is that you are a shameless liar & I'm not. You don't rate Berbatov at all. It has little to do "with what you've seen with your own eyes" . That's why all you ever have to post about him is negative. Opinions based on nothing concrete what soever. But your own personal bias of a "perceived" lack of attitude" that you can't even substantiate.

To make it worse, you want to paint it as if my opinion on him is remotely as incomplete as yours. When you most probably never knew a thing about Berbatov before he came to Spurs. A handicap I do not suffer from.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

*This opinion is not based on incomplete information

You're right. It's infact based on a wishful fabrication that springs entirely from your own head. For I am not one to talk about things I have in complete information about. Like you clearly do.

mehro · 14th July 2008, 23:12

Something on setanta about the deal being wrapped up and announced by wednesday. Please keep your cocks in until then.

UBERScholes · 14th July 2008, 23:13

What if you've got your cock out for some other reason but Berbatov just keeps popping in?

Ceks · 14th July 2008, 23:14

Bergkamp = Legend

Only player to ever come 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in goal of the month.

RedGib · 14th July 2008, 23:14

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Originally Posted by charleysurf

Last week I thought Huntelaar was the Messiah. Then it seemed I was wrong and Berbatov was the true Messiah. And then today I am being told that Aguero is the real Messiah.

I'm so confused

he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

Just had to be said, sorry.

he is actually satan and will look at home in the red shirt

GusHiddink · 14th July 2008, 23:15

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

well from a purely footballing standpoint, i rate bergkamp at a higher level than cantona, as many objective people do.

i'd be quite happy if he's as good as teddy was for us (remember teddy won pfa and fwa player of the year awards his last season with united).

i've come around the berbatov deal. i mean, i've always rated him but was always hung up over the price. now i just don't care anymore, he's quality, get him in asap, get him training with wazza and tevez and lets get on with it.

Id prob have to agree on the cantona v bergkamp point...probably....its hard to say so though given that magical affinity with the king. But for sure in my eyes berbatov has as much abilty if not more than bergkamp. Now he'll get the stage.

And i cant see this falling down now. spurs cant keep him because he wont play for them. Not even sure he fits into the way ramos wants them to play

Younited.7 · 14th July 2008, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

I will say this for your sake. No matter how many times you insult me, you will never gain my praise or respect.

I know you just want my attention and for me to give you a big hug and say "It's okay man. I see past your cheesy insults, hypocricy and strange use of punctuation and you're still my man"

However this is not going to happen. So how about we get to debating football matters rather than trying to hone a craft of trash talking you clearly aren't suited for? I'd imagine its for the best for everyone.

It's funny because you never properly articulate an argument when the going gets tough. It is easier for you to add a

, laugh it off and hope for the best. You answer selectively, ignore most of the things i say and pipe some shit about me insulting you.

We went through all of these things, which you decided not to read or answer.

You said to me that i wasn't clever enough to read after softly calling you titwit - a non insult. You are too touchy my dear.

- see, they do nothing for my argument. They don't do anything for you either, stop hiding behind these smiley faces.

rimaldo · 14th July 2008, 23:18

gus, i have a problem with all the ambiguity in your posts. do you want berbatov to join or not? i can't work out whether you rate him as a player or not.

ALX8725 · 14th July 2008, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Ferguson

Seems a lot for a player who is 27 years old.

But we have to get used to price inflation. What was too much before is no longer too much.

It's not easy getting the finished product in the prime of his career. We are no longer building a team for the future. This team can win trophies now, so adding the final piece in the form of Berbatov is worth the money.

Now if we could just figure out a way of avoiding Ronaldo's inevitable departure ... of course, we do have Nani waiting in the wings, and Hargreaves provided some good service from the wing at the end of the season.

Maybe we can do it without Ronaldo and his goals.

Feedingseagulls · 14th July 2008, 23:40

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Originally Posted by Cornell

Also banned. Along with Berbo, Berbsy, Dimmy, Dimso, Dimberb and Berbatovvy.

'Sokay - 'Berba' will do fine.

charlenefan · 14th July 2008, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Brwned

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

That's only reported interest, Arsenal wouldn't pay the money and so far I've heard no interest of Chelsea, and so Tottenham seem his next best bet since he has already said the Premier League is the best in the world.

Wenger has gone on record time and time again signing his praises and if the Adebayor sale goes through then I see no reason why they wouldn't have a shot at signing him. It was Arsenal's interest that was announced way before Barca or Chelsea were on the scene

As for the Chelsea interest you must of been living under a rock because the stories have been everywhere! Whether or not they're any more credible than the stories linking us with Hunterlaar is another matter

And even if you are right (which you are not) and Arsenal and Chelsea aren't in for him Barca are and he wouldn't choose Spurs over them (sorry Glaston)

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Doubtless similar things were being said about Modric, whose 'name recognition and profile' was (and is) at least as big as Arshavin's is now.

That's not to say that Spurs are after him, but if we are/were then we'd be in with a definite shout. Never say never as far as Spurs are concerned. We might not be in the CL, but the club has a bigger pulling power than you seem to imagine and might just have one or two surprises in store this summer

Good point about Modric but I do think right now Arshavin's stock is unquestionably higher than Modric's was when you signed him albeit credit where it's due Modric was a huge coo for your lot.

As for Spurs pulling power I'm sorry but it's not as big as you think as has always been the case with spurs, whether or not the interest is real but there have been several players I would think would be reachable for Spurs that have really put you down in the press and quashed any possibility of joining you.

MancFanFromManc · 14th July 2008, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Elliott

2 words: Djemba.

Kleberson, Bellion, Dong FFS!!

offset with Ronaldo, Rooney, Keano and a 100 other top quality signings

Every manager has to gamble when signing knew players. They make a call based on ability, but they have no way of knowing how players will knit into his squad and, in Fergies case, how they will handle playing for Man United.

My take on Berbatov is this: His quality, touch, vision and class are exciting, his lack of aparent work ethic worries me. His sulkiness I put down to him being too good for a lot of his team. That wont be a problem at OT.

Personally, I'm not convined he's a United player, but in Fergie I trust.

He'll bring something different. If Fergie likes him. Sign him on

Feedingseagulls · 14th July 2008, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Colly

Ok then - Rat Vomit Bride B !!

Would need another 'a' at least.

... perhaps 'Rat Vomit Bride' graduated in the humanities?

GusHiddink · 14th July 2008, 23:57

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Originally Posted by rimaldo

gus, i have a problem with all the ambiguity in your posts. do you want berbatov to join or not? i can't work out whether you rate him as a player or not.

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Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,633	Nobody doubts his quality. Seriously. Who is saying he isn't a very good/one of the best strikers in the premiership? I don't see anybody saying that. Maybe someone was ghosted?

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Im red2 Prophet of Doom Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Everything Exists Posts: 2,898	I can't personally see how we can need someone like Berbatov, But then again I am not the manager(thank God) and up to now that guy SAF or whatever they call him has always done the right thing. So if he thinks we need Berbatov then we fuckin need Berbatov.

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mehro President of the Kick Smashed Out Movement Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,496	Something on setanta about the deal being wrapped up and announced by wednesday. Please keep your cocks in until then.

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UBERScholes I'd find it flattering if someone hard rubbed against me. Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11,374	What if you've got your cock out for some other reason but Berbatov just keeps popping in?

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Ceks Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 'Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home' 'I think the word is respect. I can’t say there is friendship on both sides.' - Arsene Wenger Posts: 2,093	Bergkamp = Legend Only player to ever come 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in goal of the month.

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rimaldo Voted funniest poster/best newbie promoted - 2008 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: desolate mainly. Posts: 9,877	gus, i have a problem with all the ambiguity in your posts. do you want berbatov to join or not? i can't work out whether you rate him as a player or not.