Berbatov

VoetbalWizard · 24th July 2008, 17:50

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

I'd call him a forward, rather than a striker as such, and I think he's one of the very best, with no weaknesses to his game apart from a lack of blistering pace (even if he's by no means slow) and many outstanding atttibutes.

He's good in the air and very good on the ground. He can play up front alone, or in partnership. He can lead the line, play as target man or play in a deeper, more withdrawn role. His vision, anticipation, creativity and ball control is superb, with a very good positional sense. He scores goals and creates goals and rarely loses his cool in front of goal. He can dribble and pass well. His first touch is excellent, he rarely loses (or gets knocked off) the ball once in possession, and he usually seems to have all the time in the world on the ball. This languid, unhurried style is sometimes mistaken for lack of effort or slowness, but he's not a workhorse type of player. He rarely gets injured and he won't cause trouble on or off the pitch.

I think it's very difficult to compare price-wise with Torres, partly because inflation in the Prem. transfer market has again moved on a peg or two since last summer as a further knock-on effect of the all extra TV money coming into the game.

You also have to take into account the need (or maybe lack of need) of the selling club for money, the length of the player's remaining contract, his age of course, the importance of the player to the selling club and the depth of need of the buying club. Age apart, I don't know what the situation was with Torres and his club when he was sold, so I can't comment on how it compares with that of Spurs and Berbatov. I only know that Spurs are not short of money, that his contract still has 4 years to run if Spurs so wish and that he's a very important player for the club. As to the how much MUFC need Berbatov, your fans are better placed than me to comment.

You ask if, in my honest opinion, he's worth £20-25m? Yes, of course he is. In fact he's worth more and I don't believe he'll be sold to a Prem club for any bid in this 20-25m range. It will take more in my view.

all true.

he is def a 25 million pound striker because of his premiership proven tag as well.

are you confident that he won't throw a strop and tell spurs to fuck off and stay at home from training till he gets a move? he doesn't seem like he'd go to that extent but it does sound like he is a moody git (i should know, because after reading some articles and hearing some 2nd hand stories from my mates, his personality sounds a lot like mine).

peterstorey · 24th July 2008, 17:53

I'd much rather ManU spent another £20M on Tevez and bought Huntelaar than got Berbatov.

GlastonSpur · 24th July 2008, 17:58

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

... are you confident that he won't throw a strop and tell spurs to fuck off and stay at home from training till he gets a move? ...

He's never seemed to be that type of person before, so I don't see it changing now.

It's being said that Spurs have told him exactly what the situation is, including the fact that he won't be sold unless and until we sign a replacement, and I imagine he accepts this as fair enough.

KingMinger22 · 24th July 2008, 18:14

want it!

Will get it too I think!

Spurs seem to be linked with a few strikers too..

I am very confident we'll have our man before the window is up. Won't be cheap though!

7even · 24th July 2008, 18:54

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

I'd call him a forward, rather than a striker as such, and I think he's one of the very best, with no weaknesses to his game apart from a lack of blistering pace (even if he's by no means slow) and many outstanding atttibutes.

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You also have to take into account the need (or maybe lack of need) of the selling club for money, the length of the player's remaining contract, his age of course, the importance of the player to the selling club and the depth of need of the buying club. Age apart, I don't know what the situation was with Torres and his club when he was sold, so I can't comment on how it compares with that of Spurs and Berbatov. I only know that Spurs are not short of money, that his contract still has 4 years to run if Spurs so wish and that he's a very important player for the club. As to the how much MUFC need Berbatov, your fans are better placed than me to comment.

You ask if, in my honest opinion, he's worth £20-25m? Yes, of course he is. In fact he's worth more and I don't believe he'll be sold to a Prem club for any bid in this 20-25m range.

I trust you and agree with most of it.

I understand that Levy is an intelligent man and know how to run the biz. His record with Spurs is very good.

But don't you think this report to the FA regarding SAF comments is more of a smokescreen to convince Spurs supporters that he is doing everything in his power to convince Berb to stay, when the reality is that the bulgarian forward (your word

) is on his way out. Sooner or later.

I'm no expert but £25m sounds good to me. You must admit that's a lot of money and what more can Spurs supporters honestly expect?

If United decided to bid for Berb I wonder if SAF will go higher than 24-25. I mean now we talking about bids level to Rio, Rooney and Veron. I can't see United pay over £25m but future will tell.

Marcus · 24th July 2008, 19:02

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Originally Posted by 7even

I trust you and agree with most of it.

I understand that Levy is an intelligent man and know how to run the biz. His record with Spurs is very good.

But don't you think this report to the FA regarding SAF comments is more of a smokescreen to convince Spurs supporters that he is doing everything in his power to convince Berb to stay, when the reality is that the bulgarian forward (your word

) is on his way out. Sooner or later.

I'm no expert but £25m sounds good to me. You must admit that's a lot of money and what more can Spurs supporters honestly expect?

If United decided to bid for Berb I wonder if SAF will go higher than 24-25. I mean now we talking about bids level to Rio, Rooney and Veron. I can't see United pay over £25m but future will tell.

I agree. But as for the price, I can't help but look at Daren Bent and think that if he is worth £16.5 million then £25 million for Berbatov would be good value in this inflated market.

GlastonSpur · 24th July 2008, 19:14

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Originally Posted by 7even

I trust you and agree with most of it.

I understand that Levy is an intelligent man and know how to run the biz. His record with Spurs is very good.

But don't you think this report to the FA regarding SAF comments is more of a smokescreen to convince Spurs supporters that he is doing everything in his power to convince Berb to stay, when the reality is that the bulgarian forward (your word

) is on his way out. Sooner or later.

I don't think it's a smokescreen at all. Formally accusing another club of tapping up - and presenting a dossier of evidence to the PL - is a very serious step to take, with lots of legal implications and potentially very serious consequences for either club. Levy would not have taken this step lightly and without all due consideration.

In any case, Spurs fans don't need convincing that Levy has done everything he can to keep Berbatov - it's pretty self-evident and Berbatov's eventual departure has long been widely expected.

I'd also repeat that it's not really about 'Fergie's comments', except of course that they clearly upset Levy. If you read his statement it's clear that his main concern is what he calls 'a series of events dating back to last summer', unauthorised contact with the player and his agent, and 'systematic' attempts to prise the player away. Fergie's alleged comments are only a recent thing and so are clearly not the substance of the tapping up charge.

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Originally Posted by 7even

I'm no expert but £25m sounds good to me. You must admit that's a lot of money and what more can Spurs supporters honestly expect?

It is a lot of money, but Spurs fans do expect more if the deal is with another Prem club.

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Originally Posted by 7even

If United decided to bid for Berb I wonder if SAF will go higher than 24-25. I mean now we talking about bids level to Rio, Rooney and Veron. I can't see United pay over £25m but future will tell.

Transfer market inflation has moved on hugely since the times of the bids you mention - so they are not really very relevant benchmarks IMO.

7even · 24th July 2008, 19:26

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

I don't think it's a smokescreen at all. Formally accusing another club of tapping up - and presenting a dossier of evidence to the PL - is a very serious step to take, with lots of legal implications and potentially very serious consequences for either club. Levy would not have taken this step lightly and without all due consideration.

I can't see any punishment worth talking about regarding this case. Sorry. But I can agree with the FA is ABU and you can expect eveything from them

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It is a lot of money, but Spurs fans do expect more if the deal is with another Prem club.

Do you think United will pay over the odds - near £30m?

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Transfer market inflation has moved on hugely since the times of the bids you mention - so they are not really very relevant benchmarks IMO

At the moment the economy is going downhill. Even if there is an inflation in the EPL I would be suprised if United pay more than £25m.

I honestly can't see any club pay this for Berb. Look at other players like Ronaldinho, Hleb, Bosingwa, Deco a s o. Maybe you price him out?

KingMinger22 · 24th July 2008, 19:41

You talk about an inflated market but I have to disagree.

Look at the prices being touted for the likes of Ronaldinho, Drogba, Eto'o and many, many others...

Red Pavan · 24th July 2008, 20:07

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Originally Posted by KingMinger22

You talk about an inflated market but I have to disagree.

Look at the prices being touted for the likes of Ronaldinho, Drogba, Eto'o and many, many others...

Ronaldinho is believed to have been sold for £19 Million, not a bad price tbh.

Sarni · 24th July 2008, 20:26

Glaston seems to think that United may be demoted to the lower division or removed from football completely.

Don16 · 24th July 2008, 20:29

Sell him to us, Spurs.

Go on.

Please.

Ander8on · 24th July 2008, 20:45

He's in the Spurs team to play against Hercules tonight - does this mean his ineligable to play in the Vodacom Challenge???

Fuck its all going wrong...

djemba's arse · 24th July 2008, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Ander8on

He's in the Spurs team to play against Hercules tonight - does this mean his ineligable to play in the Vodacom Challenge???

Fuck its all going wrong...

niMic · 24th July 2008, 21:21

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Originally Posted by djemba's arse

The cheesiest scene in Star Wars history. Almost ruined an otherwise good movie. I cringed.

Feedingseagulls · 24th July 2008, 21:37

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Originally Posted by niMic

The cheesiest scene in Star Wars history. Almost ruined an otherwise good movie. I cringed.

So that would be an over-ripe Vielle Lille in with a group of very mature Camembert then?

niMic · 24th July 2008, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

So that would be an over-ripe Vielle Lille in with a group of very mature Camembert then?

Quite.

VidaRed · 24th July 2008, 22:12

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Younited.7 · 24th July 2008, 22:13

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

I'd much rather ManU spent another £20M on Tevez and bought Huntelaar than got Berbatov.

I'm sure you would.

Nucks · 24th July 2008, 22:27

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Originally Posted by 7even

I'm no expert but £25m sounds good to me. You must admit that's a lot of money and what more can Spurs supporters honestly expect?

I don't know what your stance on the Ronaldo situation is, but in general the whole Berbatov situation is so incredibly hypocritical it disgusts me.

Berbatov has a contract with Spurs. Ronaldo has a contract with us.

We are interested in Berbatov. Madrid is interested in Ronaldo.

Berbatov wants to come here. Ronaldo *probably* is at the very least interested in going to Madrid.

Spurs don't want to sell Berbatov. We don't want to sell Ronaldo.

Yet it is an outrage that Madrid want Ronaldo and it is perfectly acceptable and inevitable that Spurs sell off one of their best players because we want him.

Spurs have no obligation to sell Berbatov and we should not expect them to. We can make an offer, that is it. The only thing we can do is make such an offer that it doesn't make financial sense for Spurs to say no. In essence if we want him before his contract is up or they HAVE to sell him we've got to pay WAY more than he is worth.

It annoys me to see people around here with hurt feelings because of Madrid and their sense of entitlement. Then we behave exactly the same way to someone else and act like it is our right.

Garethw · 24th July 2008, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Nucks

I don't know what your stance on the Ronaldo situation is, but in general the whole Berbatov situation is so incredibly hypocritical it disgusts me.

Berbatov has a contract with Spurs. Ronaldo has a contract with us.

We are interested in Berbatov. Madrid is interested in Ronaldo.

Berbatov wants to come here. Ronaldo *probably* is at the very least interested in going to Madrid.

Spurs don't want to sell Berbatov. We don't want to sell Ronaldo.

Yet it is an outrage that Madrid want Ronaldo and it is perfectly acceptable and inevitable that Spurs sell off one of their best players because we want him.

Spurs have no obligation to sell Berbatov and we should not expect them to. We can make an offer, that is it. The only thing we can do is make such an offer that it doesn't make financial sense for Spurs to say no. In essence if we want him before his contract is up or they HAVE to sell him we've got to pay WAY more than he is worth.

It annoys me to see people around here with hurt feelings because of Madrid and their sense of entitlement. Then we behave exactly the same way to someone else and act like it is our right.

Sensible post.

I agree, if we want Berbatov we are going to have to pay over the odds to get him. Me, i really don't mind, as i think he would be a "perfect fit" here at United

peterstorey · 24th July 2008, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

So that would be an over-ripe Vielle Lille in with a group of very mature Camembert then?

What ever happened to the iles flotant you old tart?

acnumber9 · 24th July 2008, 22:41

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Originally Posted by Nucks

I don't know what your stance on the Ronaldo situation is, but in general the whole Berbatov situation is so incredibly hypocritical it disgusts me.

Berbatov has a contract with Spurs. Ronaldo has a contract with us.

We are interested in Berbatov. Madrid is interested in Ronaldo.

Berbatov wants to come here. Ronaldo *probably* is at the very least interested in going to Madrid.

Spurs don't want to sell Berbatov. We don't want to sell Ronaldo.

Yet it is an outrage that Madrid want Ronaldo and it is perfectly acceptable and inevitable that Spurs sell off one of their best players because we want him.

Spurs have no obligation to sell Berbatov and we should not expect them to. We can make an offer, that is it. The only thing we can do is make such an offer that it doesn't make financial sense for Spurs to say no. In essence if we want him before his contract is up or they HAVE to sell him we've got to pay WAY more than he is worth.

It annoys me to see people around here with hurt feelings because of Madrid and their sense of entitlement. Then we behave exactly the same way to someone else and act like it is our right.

The big difference being that we haven't endlessly talked about signing Berbatov for several months without ever having made a bid.

topper · 24th July 2008, 22:43

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

What ever happened to the iles flotant you old tart?

who does he play for - any good on FM ?

Pogue Mahone · 24th July 2008, 22:46

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Originally Posted by acnumber9

The big difference being that we haven't endlessly talked about signing Berbatov for several months without ever having made a bid.

Exactly.

Until that Noggie website fucked up and Levy had a shit-fit, we were going around signing Berbatov the right way, by private negotiations with his current club.

This is a million miles away from Madrid's sustained media campaign to unsettle Ronaldo and gee up Calderon's profile with their fans.

peterstorey · 24th July 2008, 22:46

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who does he play for - any good on FM ?

Nah, he's a bit of a pudding - think Tevez.

Pogue Mahone · 24th July 2008, 22:48

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Nah, he's a bit of a pudding - think Tevez.

More like it looks tasty on the menu but has a disappointingly soft centre.

Arsenal's back four, anyone?

Feedingseagulls · 24th July 2008, 22:56

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What ever happened to the iles flotant you old tart?

The only tart involved was Normande.

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KingMinger22 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Banbury Posts: 1,288	want it! Will get it too I think! Spurs seem to be linked with a few strikers too.. I am very confident we'll have our man before the window is up. Won't be cheap though!

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