Berbatov - who else wouldnt want him??

e.cantona · 2nd July 2008, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Nucks

Rooney Carrick and Hargreaves were model professionals during their transfers. They didn't give less than their full effort, they always came out to play and ultimately I believe each of them would have continued to give their all for their original clubs had their clubs not opted to sell them when they did.

Berbatov shut it down after he didn't get transferred. Why would you ever want a player like that, talented or not? Why would you want someone who has absolutely no pride in themselves or their game? Not giving your all because you didn't get your way is what someone with absolutely no character does.

United is a team about character, Berbatov need not apply.

Agree with this. Good player tho..

VoetbalWizard · 2nd July 2008, 18:02

no one is questioning berbatov's skills or ability to score wonder goals.

however, he's only hit above 25 goals in a season once, and hit 20 goals in league play once...this was 4-5 years ago at leverkusen.

can berbatov be a consistent 30 goal hitman? that's the style of forward that would be most ideal to add to our team.

Alex · 2nd July 2008, 18:04

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

no one is questioning berbatov's skills or ability to score wonder goals.

however, he's only hit above 25 goals in a season once, and hit 20 goals in league play once...this was 4-5 years ago at leverkusen.

can berbatov be a consistent 30 goal hitman? that's the style of forward that would be most ideal to add to our team.

Does he really need to be, if Ronaldo is kept, United will have 4 top goalscorers and also a talented midfield that can chip in with a decent amount

VoetbalWizard · 2nd July 2008, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Alex

Does he really need to be, if Ronaldo is kept, United will have 4 top goalscorers and also a talented midfield that can chip in with a decent amount

the thing is, our midfield really hasn't chipped in a decent amount for a couple years now, ever since scholes stopped consistently ghosting the box. i don't see carrick, hargreaves (albiet from the odd fk), anderson, or fletcher ever becoming prolific or even marginally good at scoring.

i worry that we over-rely on ronaldo and we certainly cannot bank on 40 goals, or even 30 a season from him.

more than focusing on '30 goals a season' from our new striker, what i tried to mean was ultra clinical. berbatov, while i love watching him play, gets streaky in front of goal like rooney (IMO). i think if we are going to spend above 25 million quid, that striker should have more consistency and ruthlessness in their finishing so half chances get tucked in time and time again.

this is really the only thing this squad lacks from being one of the alltime great ones...is that style of hitman uptop.

Ekeke · 2nd July 2008, 18:15

Assuming they were both available and at the same huge price, would anyone choose Berbatov over Ibrahimovic? Considering they are similar players.

VoetbalWizard · 2nd July 2008, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Assmuning they were both available and at the same huge price, would anyone choose Berbatov over Ibrahimovic? Considering they are similar players.

if zlatan is properly fit. there are some questions over his knee. however i am very biased for zlatan, i wanted him over rooney in 2004 when they both moved from ajax and everton respectively.

they would also never go for the same price. ibra is easily a 30 million + striker, i.e. he'll actually go for that amount and not just be marketed at that price.

berbatov will end up going for 10 million less IMO, if he does go.

Bilbo · 2nd July 2008, 18:19

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

the thing is, our midfield really hasn't chipped in a decent amount for a couple years now, ever since scholes stopped consistently ghosting the box. i don't see carrick, hargreaves (albiet from the odd fk), anderson, or fletcher ever becoming prolific or even marginally good at scoring.

i worry that we over-rely on ronaldo and we certainly cannot bank on 40 goals, or even 30 a season from him.

more than focusing on '30 goals a season' from our new striker, what i tried to mean was ultra clinical. berbatov, while i love watching him play, gets streaky in front of goal like rooney (IMO). i think if we are going to spend above 25 million quid, that striker should have more consistency and ruthlessness in their finishing so half chances get tucked in time and time again.

this is really the only thing this squad lacks from being one of the alltime great ones...is that style of hitman uptop.

I think Rooney and Tevez will expect to, and most likely will, improve on their chances converted ratio next season.

I see your point, in that we don't have a Ruud-type goal machine (Ronaldo aside), but if we have three forwards chipping in with 20 goals each over a season then scoring goals will not be a problem.

Goal scoring, even without Ronaldo, will never be a major concern for this team. We simply need to ensure that we retain the shape and (more importantly) attitude that this side has. Berbatov only ticks the least important of those boxes IMO.

Bilbo · 2nd July 2008, 18:20

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Assmuning they were both available and at the same huge price, would anyone choose Berbatov over Ibrahimovic? Considering they are similar players.

Nothing between them IMO. Wouldn't want either of them at the club.

GlastonSpur · 2nd July 2008, 18:31

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Glaston's not surprsingly a fan boy - you won't get a balanced opinion off him. A lot of these views of Berbatov seem to me to be too influenced by his languid style. He gets over praised because he's an elegant player and for the same reason slagged off because he doesn't run around a lot.

Regardless of whether you'll see my opinion re. Berba's attitude as balanced or not, here it is:

The stuff that's said about his supposed 'lazy' or 'bad' attitude is mostly rubbish.

I can recall two periods when he didn't give 100%, two periods in which most of the rest of the team didn't give 100% either and neither of them due to any alleged sulking about not being allowed to sign for MUFC (that's just wishful thinking on the part of some MUFC fans):

1) In the early part of last season when all the stories about Jol and Ramos began - almost as soon as the first game had finished - and dragged on and on. The morale of the whole team crashed as a result as uncertainty and lack of direction took over.

2) After we'd won the League Cup, were safe from any relegation thread and had nothing else to play for bar the possibility of climbing up the table 1 or 2 places.

In between those periods - the middle part of the season - Berbs worked hard. The prime example was our away win against Man. City in the League Cup QF, when Zokora was sent off and we played with 10 men for most of the match. Defoe had just scored but was taken off (because Zokora has been sent off) and Berbs played as lone striker - he didn't score but put on a master class of how to play the role of lone striker. He worked his socks off, bamboozled and terrified the City defence and kept possession for us - we won 2 - 0.

Other Spurs fans may give you different opinions, but then again when do you ever not get a range of views from any set of fans?

Brwned · 2nd July 2008, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Assuming they were both available and at the same huge price, would anyone choose Berbatov over Ibrahimovic? Considering they are similar players.

They would not cost the same amount, but Ibrahimovic is the better player.

Alex · 2nd July 2008, 18:54

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

the thing is, our midfield really hasn't chipped in a decent amount for a couple years now, ever since scholes stopped consistently ghosting the box. i don't see carrick, hargreaves (albiet from the odd fk), anderson, or fletcher ever becoming prolific or even marginally good at scoring.

i worry that we over-rely on ronaldo and we certainly cannot bank on 40 goals, or even 30 a season from him.

more than focusing on '30 goals a season' from our new striker, what i tried to mean was ultra clinical. berbatov, while i love watching him play, gets streaky in front of goal like rooney (IMO). i think if we are going to spend above 25 million quid, that striker should have more consistency and ruthlessness in their finishing so half chances get tucked in time and time again.

this is really the only thing this squad lacks from being one of the alltime great ones...is that style of hitman uptop.

I reckon we can

Alex · 2nd July 2008, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Brwned

They would not cost the same amount, but Ibrahimovic is the better player.

Agreed, Ibra would cost much more though

Bape · 2nd July 2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

In between those periods - the middle part of the season - Berbs worked hard. The prime example was our away win against Man. City in the League Cup QF, when Zokora was sent off and we played with 10 men for most of the match. Defoe had just scored but was taken off (because Zokora has been sent off) and Berbs played as lone striker - he didn't score but put on a master class of how to play the role of lone striker. He worked his socks off, bamboozled and terrified the City defence and kept possession for us - we won 2 - 0.

Interesting issue. Glaston, do you think Berbatov is necessarily more suited at playing the withdrawn striker rather than the lone striker/lead the line? Am I right in thinking that he can play both roles equally well?

Ekeke · 2nd July 2008, 19:13

So, if Berbatov really was costing £30 million this summer, Ibrahimovic would cost what? £40 million?

If £30 million is the price, is that okay being that he's 27 and most seem to not even rate him as the best striker of his type?

GlastonSpur · 2nd July 2008, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Bape

.. Am I right in thinking that he can play both roles equally well?

I'd say so.

Ekeke · 2nd July 2008, 22:17

I guess nobody thinks £30 million is okay then?

Fergies Formula · 2nd July 2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Bape

Interesting issue. Glaston, do you think Berbatov is necessarily more suited at playing the withdrawn striker rather than the lone striker/lead the line? Am I right in thinking that he can play both roles equally well?

I think he can, too, i think the fact he is so good from deep and with the creativity and finesse which he shows, it actually masks how good he is as the lead striker, with his back to goal, bringing the ball down, runs in behind the last defender, bringing others into play and his great finishing. He is an all rounder and a brilliant footballer.

Fergies Formula · 2nd July 2008, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

So, if Berbatov really was costing £30 million this summer, Ibrahimovic would cost what? £40 million?

If £30 million is the price, is that okay being that he's 27 and most seem to not even rate him as the best striker of his type?

Ibrahimovic would probably cost more because of his age(26) and circumstance at inter, they are a top club and probably dont want to sell and im sure he is contracted for more than 2 years.

Yes its ok, the money really isnt as much of a problem as you guys are making out, he will come in and complete us as a side, and that is defiantly worth 30 million, we would be more than capable with him in the squad of challenging for all 3 major trophies.

Because of his demeanor he can go on to become a legend like eric and the old trafford faithful will fall in love with his magic, even if you dont see it at the moment.

Brwned · 2nd July 2008, 23:43

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

So, if Berbatov really was costing £30 million this summer, Ibrahimovic would cost what? £40 million?

If £30 million is the price, is that okay being that he's 27 and most seem to not even rate him as the best striker of his type?

£30m is not his price, no matter how much people trust GS's ITK's. As long as the price is under £30m I'm perfectly happy. He will be an excellent acquisition.

Sonny1972 · 2nd July 2008, 23:48

Funny stuff ..lol Berbatov 30 mill Ibrahimovic 40 mill , Van Nistelrooy 10 mill !!!!

Name Changed · 3rd July 2008, 00:38

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Originally Posted by Nucks

Rooney Carrick and Hargreaves were model professionals during their transfers. They didn't give less than their full effort, they always came out to play and ultimately I believe each of them would have continued to give their all for their original clubs had their clubs not opted to sell them when they did.

Berbatov shut it down after he didn't get transferred. Why would you ever want a player like that, talented or not? Why would you want someone who has absolutely no pride in themselves or their game? Not giving your all because you didn't get your way is what someone with absolutely no character does.

United is a team about character, Berbatov need not apply.

Berbatov's lack of character is the reason I would not want him at United. I think he would disrupt the team. I also think that he would assume he would be starting every game and be the first name on the teamsheet. There is no doubt relating to his abilities as a player though.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 3rd July 2008, 07:02

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Your obvious and my obvious are thankfully two very different things.

Agreed. Because your "obvious" is one thing that defies all logic. Thats how you can think Michael Owen a top signing and Berbatov a gamble.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 3rd July 2008, 07:04

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

no one is questioning berbatov's skills or ability to score wonder goals.

however, he's only hit above 25 goals in a season once, and hit 20 goals in league play once...this was 4-5 years ago at leverkusen.

can berbatov be a consistent 30 goal hitman? that's the style of forward that would be most ideal to add to our team.

We won the league with a 14 goal each forward line. Adding some one who can just get just 6 more than them in the league is more than enough. Especially with Ronaldo around. We don't need to find another Ruud.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 3rd July 2008, 07:06

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Assuming they were both available and at the same huge price, would anyone choose Berbatov over Ibrahimovic? Considering they are similar players.

No. Zlatan is simply better.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 3rd July 2008, 07:08

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Originally Posted by GlastonSpur

Regardless of whether you'll see my opinion re. Berba's attitude as balanced or not, here it is:

The stuff that's said about his supposed 'lazy' or 'bad' attitude is mostly rubbish.

I can recall two periods when he didn't give 100%, two periods in which most of the rest of the team didn't give 100% either and neither of them due to any alleged sulking about not being allowed to sign for MUFC (that's just wishful thinking on the part of some MUFC fans):

1) In the early part of last season when all the stories about Jol and Ramos began - almost as soon as the first game had finished - and dragged on and on. The morale of the whole team crashed as a result as uncertainty and lack of direction took over.

2) After we'd won the League Cup, were safe from any relegation thread and had nothing else to play for bar the possibility of climbing up the table 1 or 2 places.

In between those periods - the middle part of the season - Berbs worked hard. The prime example was our away win against Man. City in the League Cup QF, when Zokora was sent off and we played with 10 men for most of the match. Defoe had just scored but was taken off (because Zokora has been sent off) and Berbs played as lone striker - he didn't score but put on a master class of how to play the role of lone striker. He worked his socks off, bamboozled and terrified the City defence and kept possession for us - we won 2 - 0.

Other Spurs fans may give you different opinions, but then again when do you ever not get a range of views from any set of fans?

Spot on Glaston.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 3rd July 2008, 07:10

The biggest irony of all is most people on here swear "Berbatov will disrupt our team" and "is bad for team spirit". Yet at Leverkursen he never ever had such a reputation by the tie he left. & most Spurs fans insist he doesn't have such at Spurs either.

Makes you wonder what is making these nay sayers so sure

reddevilcanada · 3rd July 2008, 07:21

I wouldn't mind him at all, I think he'll realize United are a different class to Spurs and that in itself will motivate him to work harder for the team and achieve what any player of his quality would want, the league and CL trophies.

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VoetbalWizard Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,126	no one is questioning berbatov's skills or ability to score wonder goals. however, he's only hit above 25 goals in a season once, and hit 20 goals in league play once...this was 4-5 years ago at leverkusen. can berbatov be a consistent 30 goal hitman? that's the style of forward that would be most ideal to add to our team.

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Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,694	Assuming they were both available and at the same huge price, would anyone choose Berbatov over Ibrahimovic? Considering they are similar players.

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Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,694	So, if Berbatov really was costing £30 million this summer, Ibrahimovic would cost what? £40 million? If £30 million is the price, is that okay being that he's 27 and most seem to not even rate him as the best striker of his type?

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Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,694	I guess nobody thinks £30 million is okay then?

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Sonny1972 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: i knew i was nuts when the squirrels started staring at me Posts: 1,077	Funny stuff ..lol Berbatov 30 mill Ibrahimovic 40 mill , Van Nistelrooy 10 mill !!!!

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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Football Fanatics Central..Equator branch Posts: 19,268	The biggest irony of all is most people on here swear "Berbatov will disrupt our team" and "is bad for team spirit". Yet at Leverkursen he never ever had such a reputation by the tie he left. & most Spurs fans insist he doesn't have such at Spurs either. Makes you wonder what is making these nay sayers so sure

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reddevilcanada First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,574	I wouldn't mind him at all, I think he'll realize United are a different class to Spurs and that in itself will motivate him to work harder for the team and achieve what any player of his quality would want, the league and CL trophies.