Chelsea release Ballack & Joe Cole

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 10th June 2010, 09:59

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Originally Posted by antihenry

I expected Ballack and Belletti but I'm sad to see Joe go. He's a good guy and a top player and I hope he does well wherever he plays in the future,as long as it's not against us.

I believe Deco,Carvalho,Ferreira and Hilario will follow them on the way out.

Why Carvalho? I thought he was one of your key players?

antihenry · 10th June 2010, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Why Carvalho? I thought he was one of your key players?

I think injuries and age are catching up with him a bit, he seemed to have lost a step. Carvalho'd still do well in Spain and Italy though. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Real or Inter this summer.

Plus, we've got Ivanovic and Alex both fighting for that second spot next to Terry, both are younger and have more upside than Ricky. Also, an 18 year old Dutchman Jeffrey Bruma will be the fourth option at CB next year, he's a great prospect.

Moriarty · 10th June 2010, 11:11

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Originally Posted by rednev

I'd take Ballack at United on a free.

No thanks. I wouldn't have that Boche bastard is he offered to pay us to play.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 10th June 2010, 12:15

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Originally Posted by antihenry

I think injuries and age are catching up with him a bit, he seemed to have lost a step. Carvalho'd still do well in Spain and Italy though. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Real or Inter this summer.

Plus, we've got Ivanovic and Alex both fighting for that second spot next to Terry, both are younger and have more upside than Ricky. Also, an 18 year old Dutchman Jeffrey Bruma will be the fourth option at CB next year, he's a great prospect.

Interesting. But I really wonder why would Ancelotti even think of a shift of Ivanovic from the right. IMO he was easily the best right back in the league last year.

What of Manciene. Has his boat sailed?

Dyslexic Untied · 10th June 2010, 12:31

I've always liked Ballack.

Not as a person, but he has a style on the football field I really like. On the pitch, one of my favourite non United players.

Brophs · 10th June 2010, 12:40

Before he went to Chelsea he was outstanding. I've rarely seen him be any better than decent for them.

Dyslexic Untied · 10th June 2010, 12:46

Agree with that.

For me it was more about his style than his ability. Since I saw him play I've always thought that if I was a professional footballer, I'd like to play like Ballack.

Berlinknives · 10th June 2010, 12:56

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Originally Posted by antihenry

I expected Ballack and Belletti but I'm sad to see Joe go. He's a good guy and a top player and I hope he does well wherever he plays in the future,as long as it's not against us.

I believe Deco,Carvalho,Ferreira and Hilario will follow them on the way out.

I can't see Carvalho and Ferrerira both going with Beletti gone, clearly Bosingwa getting back along with Zhirkov, Ivanovic, Ashley and Terry but the market for defenders is actually quite tight, I mean Smalling at £9m is a fair example of this. Bruma on when 2 central defenders get injured, seems quite a risk.

radd · 10th June 2010, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Dyslexic Untied

I've always liked Ballack.

Not as a person, but he has a style on the football field I really like. On the pitch, one of my favourite non United players.

Used to be one of mine too before he went to Chelsea and watching him every week showed him up to be a massive cunt.

In 2002, I really felt for him, very nearly won everything all by himself. Immense player in his day, the most complete in the world. It's been a good few years since his day though.

Nucks · 10th June 2010, 20:20

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Originally Posted by The Flying Potato

I wouldnt be surprised if Ballack when Stateside

Whitecaps plz thx.

antihenry · 10th June 2010, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Interesting. But I really wonder why would Ancelotti even think of a shift of Ivanovic from the right. IMO he was easily the best right back in the league last year.

What of Manciene. Has his boat sailed?

Bosingwa was a starter before the injury knocked him out for the season. Ivanovic has done very well but he isn't as good going forward as Bosingwa is and in the system Ancelotti employs width comes from fullbacks.

Plus, Ferreira is on a good wage but really was a third option this past season.
I can see him being sold for next to nothing just to cut the wage bill.

I don't know about Mancienne, he's done well at Wolves and they want to keep him so it all depends on whether Carlo thinks he's good enough to make the squad. We've just sold Miroslav Stoch to Fenerbache, which came as a bit of a shock to most CFC fans, so I wouldn't be surprised if Mancienne and a few more other youngsters get sold,too.

antihenry · 10th June 2010, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Berlinknives

I can't see Carvalho and Ferrerira both going with Beletti gone, clearly Bosingwa getting back along with Zhirkov, Ivanovic, Ashley and Terry but the market for defenders is actually quite tight, I mean Smalling at £9m is a fair example of this. Bruma on when 2 central defenders get injured, seems quite a risk.

Well, if you're a young talent and won't get a chance to play when two players ahead of you are injured, then when do you get to play? It has to start somewhere.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 11th June 2010, 13:25

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Bosingwa was a starter before the injury knocked him out for the season. Ivanovic has done very well but he isn't as good going forward as Bosingwa is and in the system Ancelotti employs width comes from fullbacks.

Plus, Ferreira is on a good wage but really was a third option this past season.
I can see him being sold for next to nothing just to cut the wage bill.

I don't know about Mancienne, he's done well at Wolves and they want to keep him so it all depends on whether Carlo thinks he's good enough to make the squad. We've just sold Miroslav Stoch to Fenerbache, which came as a bit of a shock to most CFC fans, so I wouldn't be surprised if Mancienne and a few more other youngsters get sold,too.

Thanks for the update.

peterstorey · 11th June 2010, 13:28

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Originally Posted by radd

In 2002, I really felt for him, very nearly won everything all by himself. Immense player in his day, the most complete in the world. It's been a good few years since his day though.

He was superb in 2002 really the complete midfielder, but he hasn't been anywhere near that level since.

Berlinknives · 11th June 2010, 14:50

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Well, if you're a young talent and won't get a chance to play when two players ahead of you are injured, then when do you get to play? It has to start somewhere.

He'd might do decent alongside Terry maybe, but Alex or Ivanovic ... seems a risk.

prateik · 25th June 2010, 13:52

ballack rejoins Leverkusen

Jaap · 25th June 2010, 13:58

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Originally Posted by prateik

ballack rejoins Leverkusen

Earning 6m Euros a year, signing a two-year contract for the Werkself.

Blair · 25th June 2010, 13:59

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Originally Posted by Jaap

Earning 6m Euros a year, signing a two-year contract for the Werkself.

Not done too bad for himself has he.

Jaap · 25th June 2010, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Blair

Not done too bad for himself has he.

VfL Wolfsburg actually offered more (7 a year) - but Ballack did not want to join them.

Aporkalypse · 27th January 2012, 13:20

Leverkusen don't want Ballack any more. Now THIS would be an act of desperation if Fergie made a move...

Michael Ballack Made Available by Leverkusen - Sport Witness

prateik · 27th January 2012, 13:22

No chance.

davisjw · 27th January 2012, 13:25

MLS bound I would imagine if he wants to continue competing at a reasonable level. Or China or India or the Middle East... Lots of retirement leagues now if he wants to be lazy

SharkyMcShark · 27th January 2012, 14:57

Get him in and play a three man midfield of Scholes - Giggs - Ballack

cw1984 · 27th January 2012, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Aporkalypse

Leverkusen don't want Ballack any more. Now THIS would be an act of desperation if Fergie made a move...

Michael Ballack Made Available by Leverkusen - Sport Witness

But he won't...

Zen86 · 27th January 2012, 16:01

He had his chance.

Wahahah

Successful · 27th January 2012, 16:22

Yes, football goes fast. 5 years ago he was so good that he could dominate any team in either box. Probably goes in as top 3 all-round midfielder of his generation. I wonder how much this has to do with his wages.

RedDevilCanuck · 27th January 2012, 16:35

He would be mint for our CL run this year.

Oh wait..........

Cheesy · 27th January 2012, 22:45

Ballack is the sort of player we don't need. Someone who will completely slow up the game and take his time on the ball, not really doing all that much with it in the end. Top player in his day, though. He was one of the best all-round central midfielders of his generation, without a doubt.

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10th June 2010, 12:31	#85 (permalink)
Dyslexic Untied First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,642	I've always liked Ballack. Not as a person, but he has a style on the football field I really like. On the pitch, one of my favourite non United players.

10th June 2010, 12:40	#86 (permalink)
Brophs Brewlio's fugly sister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why don't we just kill Badger? Posts: 27,715	Before he went to Chelsea he was outstanding. I've rarely seen him be any better than decent for them.

10th June 2010, 12:46	#87 (permalink)
Dyslexic Untied First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,642	Agree with that. For me it was more about his style than his ability. Since I saw him play I've always thought that if I was a professional footballer, I'd like to play like Ballack.

25th June 2010, 13:52	#96 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19,031	ballack rejoins Leverkusen

27th January 2012, 13:20	#100 (permalink)
Aporkalypse First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cyprus Posts: 5,068	Leverkusen don't want Ballack any more. Now THIS would be an act of desperation if Fergie made a move... Michael Ballack Made Available by Leverkusen - Sport Witness

27th January 2012, 13:22	#101 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19,031	No chance.

27th January 2012, 13:25	#102 (permalink)
davisjw Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,867	MLS bound I would imagine if he wants to continue competing at a reasonable level. Or China or India or the Middle East... Lots of retirement leagues now if he wants to be lazy

27th January 2012, 14:57	#103 (permalink)
SharkyMcShark First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 18,589	Get him in and play a three man midfield of Scholes - Giggs - Ballack

27th January 2012, 16:01	#105 (permalink)
Zen86 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: its a nice day for a.. white wedding Posts: 4,913	He had his chance. Wahahah

27th January 2012, 16:22	#106 (permalink)
Successful Straight Guy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On top of the league Posts: 4,248	Yes, football goes fast. 5 years ago he was so good that he could dominate any team in either box. Probably goes in as top 3 all-round midfielder of his generation. I wonder how much this has to do with his wages.

27th January 2012, 16:35	#107 (permalink)
RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The GTA Posts: 3,185	He would be mint for our CL run this year. Oh wait..........

27th January 2012, 22:45	#108 (permalink)
Cheesy Smells Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,324	Ballack is the sort of player we don't need. Someone who will completely slow up the game and take his time on the ball, not really doing all that much with it in the end. Top player in his day, though. He was one of the best all-round central midfielders of his generation, without a doubt.