chelsea want robinho

djemba's arse · 5th July 2008, 10:35

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Originally Posted by francobaresi

Fucking deluded spastics. We are talking about one of the most gifted attcking players in the world here. Unbelievable the stuff on here sometimes

Like Schevchenko is/was. Except Robinho is even worse equipped to cope with the premier league. I can't see Robinho being a huge success here.

Brwned · 5th July 2008, 10:38

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Originally Posted by djemba's arse

Like Schevchenko is/was. Except Robinho is even worse equipped to cope with the premier league. I can't see Robinho being a huge success here.

Older players find it very hard to adapt to the pace of the Premier League, it wasn't too physical for him. Robinho is 23.

djemba's arse · 5th July 2008, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Brwned

Older players find it very hard to adapt to the pace of the Premier League, it wasn't too physical for him. Robinho is 23.

Veron wasn't exactly an old man when he came to us, or Kleberson for that matter. Plenty of very, very good south american players have failed to impress in the premier league. For Robinho to be considered a success, he would have to improve Chelsea and from what I've seen of him I just don't think he would.

Brwned · 5th July 2008, 11:02

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Originally Posted by djemba's arse

Veron wasn't exactly an old man when he came to us, or Kleberson for that matter. Plenty of very, very good south american players have failed to impress in the premier league. For Robinho to be considered a success, he would have to improve Chelsea and from what I've seen of him I just don't think he would.

They are central midfielders. Kleberson was never that great and Veron is a player to likes to play at his own pace. Robinho is definitely capable of playing a high paced game.

He is better than any of their wingers and if you can't see that you haven't seen enough of him recently.

RedRover · 5th July 2008, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Brwned

The pace of the game is different, which is basically what you were saying in the last paragraph. That would be related to the fitness demands I was talking about. It's also why certain players find it much easier to play in over there.

There were 1187 yellow cards and 89 red cards in La Liga.
There were 870 yellow cards and 41 red cards in the Premier League.

What do those stats tell you about your theory that centre backs and central midfielders are more physical over here? You talk about teams being more physical outside the top four in the Premier League but you didn't look at the other side of the story, aren't they more physical outside the top four in La Liga too?

You can google as many stats as you like but that to me shows more about refereeing in European Leagues than it does anything else. It's highlighted regularly in the Champions League when commentators point out how certain tackles which are deemd to be a foul would never be in a domestic game.

Of Course the so called smaller teams in every league will play a more physical game, its often the only way they can cope with the more technically gifted teams - but thats irrelevant in comparing leagues generally.

I very much like the Spanish league - its pleasing on the eye and the technique is high but its just not as physical as the PL. It's evidenced by the fact that very few defenders and holding midfileders move from Spain to the PL as most lack the pace size or strength to deal with the physical approach by most PL teams (especially outside the top 4). Likewise most of our defenders lack the technique to play in Spain.

This is a fairly pointless argument really and you're entitled to your opinion. I do wonder though how many of the superb Spanish team like Iniesta and Silva would excell in the PL, and how many would simply be kicked off the park week in week out other than the odd game against one of the top 4.

Brwned · 5th July 2008, 11:13

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Originally Posted by RedRover

You can google as many stats as you like but that to me shows more about refereeing in European Leagues than it does anything else. It's highlighted regularly in the Champions League when commentators point out how certain tackles which are deemd to be a foul would never be in a domestic game.

Of Course the so called smaller teams in every league will play a more physical game, its often the only way they can cope with the more technically gifted teams - but thats irrelevant in comparing leagues generally.

I very much like the Spanish league - its pleasing on the eye and the technique is high but its just not as physical as the PL. It's evidenced by the fact that very few defenders and holding midfileders move from Spain to the PL as most lack the pace size or strength to deal with the physical approach by most PL teams (especially outside the top 4). Likewise most of our defenders lack the technique to play in Spain.

This is a fairly pointless argument really and you're entitled to your opinion. I do wonder though how many of the superb Spanish team like Iniesta and Silva would excell in the PL, and how many would simply be kicked off the park week in week out other than the odd game against one of the top 4.

I'm just saying that although I'm sure you watch plenty of La Liga matches, more often than not it is Barcelona or Real Madrid against someone. You rarely get to see the matches between lower down teams and so you can't say how physical they are.

The Premier League is hyped up in terms of physicality, without doubt. I rarely see players get 'kicked off the park' in the Premier League whereas in the South American leagues it happens all the time, but since people associate South Americans with flair no-one realises this.

And if I cared enough, I could google the number of tackles and prove to you that there isn't much difference in physicality. I don't though.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th July 2008, 11:48

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Originally Posted by Brwned

Why not the left wing seeing as it's his best position and is a position where we don't have a regular starter. Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney are all better than Robinho. Nani is not.

Agreed

cesc's_mullet · 5th July 2008, 11:49

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Originally Posted by francobaresi

Fucking deluded spastics. We are talking about one of the most gifted attcking players in the world here. Unbelievable the stuff on here sometimes

That may be so mate, but he's only really started to show his full potential this last season. Before that he was simply another gun-kid that's yet to deliver.

One more year at the top of his game and you'd all be justified.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th July 2008, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Brwned

Agreed.

seconded

francobaresi · 5th July 2008, 11:52

Ronaldo on the right, and Robinho on the left would really be a time to take your cock out of your trousers

francobaresi · 5th July 2008, 11:53

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Originally Posted by cesc's_mullet

That may be so mate, but he's only really started to show his full potential this last season. Before that he was simply another gun-kid that's yet to deliver.

One more year at the top of his game and you'd all be justified.

I guess we shall have to wait and see then. He won't be leaving Real though IMO

Brwned · 5th July 2008, 13:14

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Originally Posted by francobaresi

Ronaldo on the right, and Robinho on the left would really be a time to take your cock out of your trousers

Definitely. With pace coming from the wings and genius coming straight through the middle teams would be attacked from all angles.

RedRover · 5th July 2008, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Brwned

I'm just saying that although I'm sure you watch plenty of La Liga matches, more often than not it is Barcelona or Real Madrid against someone. You rarely get to see the matches between lower down teams and so you can't say how physical they are.

The Premier League is hyped up in terms of physicality, without doubt. I rarely see players get 'kicked off the park' in the Premier League whereas in the South American leagues it happens all the time, but since people associate South Americans with flair no-one realises this.

And if I cared enough, I could google the number of tackles and prove to you that there isn't much difference in physicality. I don't though.

It happened to Reyes at Arsenal - he moaned about it - and then went back to Spain where, evidently he doesn't get kicked quite so much.

Irrespective it's not just about tackles and bad challenges I'm talking about, its the general hustle and bustle of the game and the fact that most teams play more direct football than in most European Leagues, especially in teams outside the top four where players like Samba at Blackburn and Moore at Derby are 6 ft 5 and 90 odd Kilo's, and its their job to outmuscle players. Likewise, to deal with this players like Jason Roberts, Viduka and Kevin Davies rely on their strength up front.

My point originally was that Robinho wouldn't be as succesful in teh PL as he is in Spain. He would get less time on the ball, would be outmuscled on a regular basis and probably start throwing himself to the floor, at which point we'd all complain about his diving.

I remember something on TV whiere Ranieri said that Aimar was one of the most gifted players he'd ever seen, but that he'd be no good in the PL because he wasn't big enough,a nd would end up injured half the time.

francobaresi · 5th July 2008, 16:31

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Originally Posted by RedRover

It happened to Reyes at Arsenal - he moaned about it - and then went back to Spain where, evidently he doesn't get kicked quite so much.

Irrespective it's not just about tackles and bad challenges I'm talking about, its the general hustle and bustle of the game and the fact that most teams play more direct football than in most European Leagues, especially in teams outside the top four where players like Samba at Blackburn and Moore at Derby are 6 ft 5 and 90 odd Kilo's, and its their job to outmuscle players. Likewise, to deal with this players like Jason Roberts, Viduka and Kevin Davies rely on their strength up front.

My point originally was that Robinho wouldn't be as succesful in teh PL as he is in Spain. He would get less time on the ball, would be outmuscled on a regular basis and probably start throwing himself to the floor, at which point we'd all complain about his diving.

I remember something on TV whiere Ranieri said that Aimar was one of the most gifted players he'd ever seen, but that he'd be no good in the PL because he wasn't big enough,a nd would end up injured half the time.

Reyes' failure in England was as much to do with the fact that he really wasn't all that good. He's hardly set the world alight since he fucked off back home

Brwned · 5th July 2008, 16:34

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Originally Posted by RedRover

It happened to Reyes at Arsenal - he moaned about it - and then went back to Spain where, evidently he doesn't get kicked quite so much.

Irrespective it's not just about tackles and bad challenges I'm talking about, its the general hustle and bustle of the game and the fact that most teams play more direct football than in most European Leagues, especially in teams outside the top four where players like Samba at Blackburn and Moore at Derby are 6 ft 5 and 90 odd Kilo's, and its their job to outmuscle players. Likewise, to deal with this players like Jason Roberts, Viduka and Kevin Davies rely on their strength up front.

My point originally was that Robinho wouldn't be as succesful in teh PL as he is in Spain. He would get less time on the ball, would be outmuscled on a regular basis and probably start throwing himself to the floor, at which point we'd all complain about his diving.

I remember something on TV whiere Ranieri said that Aimar was one of the most gifted players he'd ever seen, but that he'd be no good in the PL because he wasn't big enough,a nd would end up injured half the time.

Reyes is now a regular on the Atletico Madrid bench. So maybe his moaning was because he was a failure and him being homesick could just be a reason for leaving to a worse team.

Everyone's entitled to their views, clearly neither of us are going to change each others' in the slightest so we'll leave it at that.

Drifter · 13th July 2008, 12:27

Real Madrid star Robinho insists he is not ready to be used as a pawn to land Cristiano Ronaldo and has also disappointed suitors Chelsea by stating he wants to remain in Spain this summer.

Reports in Spain claim that Real are hoping to use Robinho as a makeweight in any deal for Ronaldo, whose future at Manchester United looks on shakier ground than ever after agreeing with Sepp Blatter’s controversial depiction of him as a slave.

However Chelsea’s new Brazilian boss Luiz Felipe Scolari is also believed to be interested in bringing his countryman to Stamford Bridge and the player’s agent, Vagner Ribeiro, recently claimed he has held talks with sporting director Frank Arnesen regarding a possible transfer to The Premier League.

Despite Real appearing ready to sell the former Santos starlet this summer, Robinho claims he is not entertaining the prospect of leaving Spain and certainly not as part of a deal to lure Ronaldo to the Bernabeu.

“Now my head is only in Madrid,” Robinho told AS.

“I am not prepared to come into the operation to sign Cristiano. I hope this year to stay in Madrid.”

The Brazil international has scored 25 league goals in three seasons at Real following his move from his home country in 2005.

Legend16 · 15th July 2008, 18:45

just looking at todays football rumours and apparently Real have rejected chelseas 48stg million offer for robinho pointing to his 150 million euro buy out clause. now if they are valuing a player that is not considered the best in the world at that amount then where does that leave any offer for ronaldo? looks like this is all getting very complicated for calderon. the humpy cunt

REd FUn DevIl · 15th July 2008, 19:14

Madrid are funny bastards.

They want to get Ronaldo first and for a bargain and then if they get him they can think of selling Robinho for a high sum of money.

Bilbo · 15th July 2008, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Legend16

just looking at todays football rumours and apparently Real have rejected chelseas 48stg million offer for robinho pointing to his 150 million euro buy out clause. now if they are valuing a player that is not considered the best in the world at that amount then where does that leave any offer for ronaldo? looks like this is all getting very complicated for calderon. the humpy cunt

No chance in hell that (a) Chelsea offered that much for him, or (b) Madrid would have rejected it if they had.

Possibly the silliest story so far this summer.

Legend16 · 15th July 2008, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

No chance in hell that (a) Chelsea offered that much for him, or (b) Madrid would have rejected it if they had.

Possibly the silliest story so far this summer.

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Robinho: Chelsea target

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Real Madrid will not allow Robinho to join Chelsea unless they offer an unrealistic world record fee of €150 million (£119 million), according to the player's agent Wagner Ribeiro.

The Brazil sensation is still unhappy that Real were prepared to use him as a bargaining tool in their protracted attempt to land Manchester United star Cristiano Ronaldo.

With Chelsea pushing ahead with their interest in the South American forward following Luiz Felipe Scolari's arrival at Stamford Bridge, talks are continuing as Real stick to the valuation stipulated in his buy-out clause.

After a meeting with Real officials on Monday, Ribeiro told the Brazilian media that Robinho is interested in linking up with Scolari if the two clubs can come to an agreement but Real are holding firm.

"The offer from Chelsea is high but not enough to do that [meet his €150 million buy-out clause]," the agent told Globoesporte.com.

"In the meeting [with Real], I said that Robinho was at one of the best clubs in the world, he earns a good wage and today he's known worldwide because of Real, Madrid is one of the best cities in the world to live in. In other words, he has it all.

"The only unpleasant thing is the club's assessment of his value, and he feels undervalued for having become a bargaining chip.

"What's making Robinho seriously consider accepting Chelsea's offer is that Scolari helped him a lot when he still wasn't very well known in Europe.

"Scolari called him up to play a game in Basle, between the Friends of Ronaldo and Friends of Zidane in 2003. Scolari spoke to Robinho and gave him strength."

Agree there are no figures mentioned in the quotes but the third last sentence is interesting. it would appear that real are going to value robinho very highly which will make any attempt to sign ronaldo pricey in the extreme. it has to be a good thing. they are caught between a rock and a hard place now with scholaris interest and chelsea going for him. they dont wanna sell him unless they have ronaldo. and they dont wanna sell him cheap which means they will have to pay at least what they demand for robinho for ronaldo. at least. I think utd and SAF have handled all this very very well and calderon is the one running out of bargaining chips

duffer · 15th July 2008, 20:08

An agent mentioning Chelsea's interest in his player while trying to get a new contract? Wow. This is new.

Raven_Blade · 15th July 2008, 20:31

He must not move. He is better off where he is.

Team Brian GB · 15th July 2008, 22:09

The press claimed this morning that Wayne Bridge was on the verge of joining Portsmouth though this afternoon Chelsea have confirmed he has signed a four year contract that was agreed weeks ago.

They don't exactly have much credibility today.

Kelvin · 17th July 2008, 13:00

Robinho's agent claims Barcelona could be ready to rival Chelsea's interest in the Real Madrid forward.

The Stamford Bridge side are weighing up a summer swoop for the Brazilian star, while Manchester United has been mooted as another possible destination.

Wagner Ribeiro claimed on Tuesday that his client was 'seriously considering' a move to Chelsea following the appointment of compatriot Luiz Felipe Scolari as the club's manager.

But further reports in Spain suggest that Barca are now planning an approach, a move which comes as no surprise to Riberio.

Logical
He told Spanish sports daily El Mundo Deportivo: "It's only logical that a club like Barcelona want Robinho.

"He is also wanted by Chelsea and Manchester United.

"Chelsea have presented a big offer for Robinho to Real Madrid, but it seems as if the club don't want to sell him."

Chelsea have reportedly made an offer of £48million for the 24-year-old - something the Blues deny - who has also been mentioned as a makeweight in any deal to bring Cristiano Ronaldo to the Spanish capital.

However, it is believed Madrid are reluctant to let Robinho go until the Ronaldo saga is concluded, and Ribeiro has reiterated his client's claim that he is happy at Real.

"Robinho has a contract at Real Madrid," he added. "And for that reason he is not looking to leave the club."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...829360,00.html

Mainoldo · 17th July 2008, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Kelvin

Robinho's agent claims Barcelona could be ready to rival Chelsea's interest in the Real Madrid forward.

The Stamford Bridge side are weighing up a summer swoop for the Brazilian star, while Manchester United has been mooted as another possible destination.

Wagner Ribeiro claimed on Tuesday that his client was 'seriously considering' a move to Chelsea following the appointment of compatriot Luiz Felipe Scolari as the club's manager.

But further reports in Spain suggest that Barca are now planning an approach, a move which comes as no surprise to Riberio.

Logical
He told Spanish sports daily El Mundo Deportivo: "It's only logical that a club like Barcelona want Robinho.

"He is also wanted by Chelsea and Manchester United.

"Chelsea have presented a big offer for Robinho to Real Madrid, but it seems as if the club don't want to sell him."

Chelsea have reportedly made an offer of £48million for the 24-year-old - something the Blues deny - who has also been mentioned as a makeweight in any deal to bring Cristiano Ronaldo to the Spanish capital.

However, it is believed Madrid are reluctant to let Robinho go until the Ronaldo saga is concluded, and Ribeiro has reiterated his client's claim that he is happy at Real.

"Robinho has a contract at Real Madrid," he added. "And for that reason he is not looking to leave the club."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...829360,00.html

His agent sounds like his just trying to piss off Madrid... As they seem to have treated his colleague like shit, but i can't see Robinho going anywhere because Madrid aren't likely to get Ronaldo!

rimaldo · 17th July 2008, 14:08

if robinho is worth 48 million surely ronaldo is worth double that. i do rate robinho as a decent player but i wouldn't put him anywhere near ronaldo's class. id want him and £50 million if real offered him as a part-ex for the ronaldo deal.

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Kelvin First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10,338	Barca linked with Robinho bid Robinho's agent claims Barcelona could be ready to rival Chelsea's interest in the Real Madrid forward. The Stamford Bridge side are weighing up a summer swoop for the Brazilian star, while Manchester United has been mooted as another possible destination. Wagner Ribeiro claimed on Tuesday that his client was 'seriously considering' a move to Chelsea following the appointment of compatriot Luiz Felipe Scolari as the club's manager. But further reports in Spain suggest that Barca are now planning an approach, a move which comes as no surprise to Riberio. Logical He told Spanish sports daily El Mundo Deportivo: "It's only logical that a club like Barcelona want Robinho. "He is also wanted by Chelsea and Manchester United. "Chelsea have presented a big offer for Robinho to Real Madrid, but it seems as if the club don't want to sell him." Chelsea have reportedly made an offer of £48million for the 24-year-old - something the Blues deny - who has also been mentioned as a makeweight in any deal to bring Cristiano Ronaldo to the Spanish capital. However, it is believed Madrid are reluctant to let Robinho go until the Ronaldo saga is concluded, and Ribeiro has reiterated his client's claim that he is happy at Real. "Robinho has a contract at Real Madrid," he added. "And for that reason he is not looking to leave the club." http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...829360,00.html

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francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,759	Ronaldo on the right, and Robinho on the left would really be a time to take your cock out of your trousers

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Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,356	Real Madrid star Robinho insists he is not ready to be used as a pawn to land Cristiano Ronaldo and has also disappointed suitors Chelsea by stating he wants to remain in Spain this summer. Reports in Spain claim that Real are hoping to use Robinho as a makeweight in any deal for Ronaldo, whose future at Manchester United looks on shakier ground than ever after agreeing with Sepp Blatter’s controversial depiction of him as a slave. However Chelsea’s new Brazilian boss Luiz Felipe Scolari is also believed to be interested in bringing his countryman to Stamford Bridge and the player’s agent, Vagner Ribeiro, recently claimed he has held talks with sporting director Frank Arnesen regarding a possible transfer to The Premier League. Despite Real appearing ready to sell the former Santos starlet this summer, Robinho claims he is not entertaining the prospect of leaving Spain and certainly not as part of a deal to lure Ronaldo to the Bernabeu. “Now my head is only in Madrid,” Robinho told AS. “I am not prepared to come into the operation to sign Cristiano. I hope this year to stay in Madrid.” The Brazil international has scored 25 league goals in three seasons at Real following his move from his home country in 2005.

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Legend16 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: never in the same place Posts: 1,029	just looking at todays football rumours and apparently Real have rejected chelseas 48stg million offer for robinho pointing to his 150 million euro buy out clause. now if they are valuing a player that is not considered the best in the world at that amount then where does that leave any offer for ronaldo? looks like this is all getting very complicated for calderon. the humpy cunt

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REd FUn DevIl First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: =) Posts: 12,287	Madrid are funny bastards. They want to get Ronaldo first and for a bargain and then if they get him they can think of selling Robinho for a high sum of money.

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duffer Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chelsea fan. Posts: 2,715	An agent mentioning Chelsea's interest in his player while trying to get a new contract? Wow. This is new.

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In Man Utd's Defence. Posts: 18,019	He must not move. He is better off where he is.

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Team Brian GB Celery chucker at the Bridge. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In exile: Brockport, NY Posts: 1,275	The press claimed this morning that Wayne Bridge was on the verge of joining Portsmouth though this afternoon Chelsea have confirmed he has signed a four year contract that was agreed weeks ago. They don't exactly have much credibility today.

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rimaldo Out of the closet, into life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: the heath. Posts: 9,840	if robinho is worth 48 million surely ronaldo is worth double that. i do rate robinho as a decent player but i wouldn't put him anywhere near ronaldo's class. id want him and £50 million if real offered him as a part-ex for the ronaldo deal.