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Old 13th June 2008, 07:43   #41 (permalink)
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Davide Petrucci's signing for Manchester United angers Roma

Manchester United last night came under fire after signing one of Italy's most promising young strikers.

Just days after they were pipped by Arsenal to the signature of 17-year-old Cardiff midfielder Aaron Ramsey, United snapped up Davide Petrucci, 16, who scored 14 goals in 19 matches last season and was the top scorer in Roma's youth team. He has also starred for Italy's under-17 team.
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United will pay Petrucci £95,000 a year and will cover the cost of regular flights home to Italy. The deal is the maximum permissible offer for a youth-team player. Roma will receive around £200,000 in compensation but the move has caused fury.

"It is a nightmare," said Il Romanista, a newspaper dedicated to Roma. "Manchester United have dealt us another low blow, stealing Petrucci from under our noses, probably the best product of our youth system. In three to four years, he will be worth 100 times as much."

Petrucci, who comes from the San Basilio suburb of Rome, has been compared to a young Francesco Totti and could have made the first-team squad next year. However, Roma offered him a contract worth only £16,000 a year, the basic youth-team deal. Petrucci was also said to be concerned that he had not already been called up to the first team. Totti made his debut in 1993 when he was 16.

Bruno Conti, Roma's technical director, said the club were unwilling to improve the terms because it would upset other youth-team players who had already signed similar deals, including Riccardo Brosco, a defender who has already been promoted to the full squad. Conti said Petrucci would have been given opportunities to show his value next season.

Roma have a history of developing youth players. Daniele De Rossi and Alberto Aquilani have come through the system in the past two years and are now playing for Italy.

Roma are unable to contest the signing, since Italian rules state it is impossible to offer a professional contract to anyone under 17. Petrucci's birthday is in October.
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It would be really amusing if Ronaldo was sold this year, and in 3-5 years this guy is better than him, and Ronaldo has regressed. Don't get me wrong I want Ronaldo to stay as much as anybody, just so the pie lands on Calderon's face if for no other reason than at the moment Ronaldo IS the best player in the world atm. He is the the prototype of the future when it comes to attackers, a player who will excel in any attacking role, if given enough freedom(from defensive duties) and playing with other good attacking players, the lad has all the skills, and can score a goal from anywhere in any manner.

That said there have been a lot of players who have been great recently who have regressed when they have moved, ie Seba Veron. That said in the end I think he will stay, people seemed a lot more certain in 2006 that he was leaving if I remember correctly, funny thing was he was the best player in the world 4 months later, funny how things work, let's wait and see
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Old 13th June 2008, 08:24   #43 (permalink)
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Wow - you somehow managed to relate this to the Ronaldo 'story'. Incredible, but you managed it.
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Old 13th June 2008, 09:47   #44 (permalink)
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I find it hard to get excited about any youth talents at United anymore.

I'm surprised he didn't sign for West Ham or Arsenal, to be honest. Or even stayed at Roma if he really wanted to develop. All of those clubs have better records in recent years in developing youngsters.
What other academy has produced 4 players of Rossi/Pique/Evans/Campbell quality over the last 2 season? At least 2 of them are blatantly good enough to be part of the European champions' squad (Rossi, Evans), 2 of them brought us huge money and Campbell is wanted for big money by several Premiership clubs despite being far from physically developed. Our academy is healthy again. We're all the time perfecting the policy of bringing in the best talent from around the world and Mulensteen has no doubt been a major contributor in the 18 months he's been in charge of skills development. I predict Evans will play an important part next season (maybe Fraizer as well depending on who we bring in. Another year at Hull would be best for him though). Hopefully that will stop people from selling our academy short. All said 4 player are good enough for a place in Wenger's squad btw, so of course it's more difficult for us. But we're getting there, in fact we are there and the next 2 season will prove it beyond doubt. And CH; when did a player ever turn down United for West Ham?
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so how does he play? i.e what is his style? 2nd striker?

arsenal did nick lupoli the same time we nicked rossi. i still hope rossi comes back to united one day but i think that ship has sailed.

we have macheda on our books too, who is supposed to be an italian berbatov style striker. looks like we're looking towards italy.

funny though that all the young italians we've signed lately (macheda, rossi, petrucci) are forwards when italians are more known (IMO) for their defenders and gk's. not to say that there haven't been some lethal italian forwards/attackers.
He's more of an attacking midifelder but has been known to play on the right too. He did start as a striker but was moved back to midfield a few seasons back where he excelled.

I'm not suprised that most Italians are becoming strikers now as it's "the thing to do" very glorious nopw day. West Ham for example have only had one striker of note in years who come through the academy (Defoe) whereas now days we have 4 or 5 promising strikers in the academy but only 2 half decent midfielders, 2 defenders and a goalkeeper.

He's very quick but big for his age, he relies on his pace and brawn to get forward rather than being a trick player. I think he can be adapted to play in any role in midfield as i'm sure he is a left footer yet he likes to play on the right.

You'll also find that most players who make it from an academy much like Petrucci started out as a striker but then was moved, Noble did for instance here as did Tomkins and Ferdinand, Spector too
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We have made quite a lot of shrewd "investments" over the last couple of years on young players that we have sold on for a good return.
It's very hard for young players to make it at united but I won't be to bothered if we loan him out then sell him on down the line for 5-6 mil. Hopefully he grows a couple of inches in the years to come.
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What other academy has produced 4 players of Rossi/Pique/Evans/Campbell quality over the last 2 season? At least 2 of them are blatantly good enough to be part of the European champions' squad (Rossi, Evans), 2 of them brought us huge money and Campbell is wanted for big money by several Premiership clubs despite being far from physically developed. Our academy is healthy again. We're all the time perfecting the policy of bringing in the best talent from around the world and Mulensteen has no doubt been a major contributor in the 18 months he's been in charge of skills development. I predict Evans will play an important part next season (maybe Fraizer as well depending on who we bring in. Another year at Hull would be best for him though). Hopefully that will stop people from selling our academy short. All said 4 player are good enough for a place in Wenger's squad btw, so of course it's more difficult for us. But we're getting there, in fact we are there and the next 2 season will prove it beyond doubt. And CH; when did a player ever turn down United for West Ham?
United and Arsenal are two of the best sides in the world at developing their players, on the whole.

But obviously the problem is bringing through young players that started their careers at the club. For example - of the four players you mentioned the two most talented where brought in from abroad.

BTW I doubt Campbell would make our squad.
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United and Arsenal are two of the best sides in the world at developing their players, on the whole.

But obviously the problem is bringing through young players that started their careers at the club. For example - of the four players you mentioned the two most talented where brought in from abroad.

BTW I doubt Campbell would make our squad.
Have you seen either Campbell or Evans play? Arguably Evans is a better defender than Pique but the latter will no doubt be a better overall player. If he had a bit of pace he would have been a monster.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Campbell made your squad, Bendtner does.
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Have you seen either Campbell or Evans play? Arguably Evans is a better defender than Pique but the latter will no doubt be a better overall player. If he had a bit of pace he would have been a monster.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Campbell made your squad, Bendtner does.
Bendtner is better than Campbell, don't let one good season in the Championship fool you
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Bendtner is better than Campbell, don't let one good season in the Championship fool you
I could say the same about Bendtner...

He probably is a better player than Campbell. But not by much.
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So we'll get 5 or 6 mill for him in 3 years time then - great
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Have you seen either Campbell or Evans play? Arguably Evans is a better defender than Pique but the latter will no doubt be a better overall player. If he had a bit of pace he would have been a monster.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Campbell made your squad, Bendtner does.
Nah I haven't seen Evans play, nor do I know anything about him...

Was he loaned out to Sunderland? If so one of the Radio Hosts of a sports station I listen to seems to rate him. Mind you he didn’t sound like he knew too much about European Football (he’s a retired Aussie Rules Footy player)

And I’m not having a go at him, or you, but to say if he had pace he would be a monster doesn’t mean anything.

Bendtner makes our squad because he is an extremely talented young player. Campbell would have no hope in hell in replacing him, though Vela on the other hand… (is yet to be seen)
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I could say the same about Bendtner...

He probably is a better player than Campbell. But not by much.
By far.
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Nah I haven't seen Evans play, nor do I know anything about him...

Was he loaned out to Sunderland? If so one of the Radio Hosts of a sports station I listen to seems to rate him. Mind you he didn’t sound like he knew too much about European Football (he’s a retired Aussie Rules Footy player)

And I’m not having a go at him, or you, but to say if he had pace he would be a monster doesn’t mean anything.

Bendtner makes our squad because he is an extremely talented young player. Campbell would have no hope in hell in replacing him, though Vela on the other hand… (is yet to be seen)
The part in bold I was actually referring to Pique. And to an extent it does mean something seeing as I have actually seen him play in both the first team and reserves and can figure out what his strengths and weaknesses are.

On Evans most people who watch sunderland seem to rate him highly. I've generally been impressed by him whenever I've seen him play. Has settled into international, then championship and now premiership football quite well. It all depends if he can make it at champions league level or not.

If Bendtner has shown his talent this season, then Vela who looks amazing should have an easy route in. To say Campbell would have no hope in hell in replacing him if you haven't seen him play is quite stupid.
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By far.
Based on what? Bendtner last ditch goal against Spurs or how he knows how to take a punch?
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Don't underestimate him, I wouldn't be suprised if you see him this season

He is already good enough to walk into half of the Premiership teams, so you will probably see him in the Carling Cup this season at the least and possibly as one of your 7 subs in a few games.
Thanks for the info mate, is he really that far down the line already? At 16, I was expecting him to play reserves and in the FA Youth Cup - despite his immense potential. But after having read that article and from what you've said, he seems an even bigger talent than what I gave him credit for originally. If Roma were going to give him a bit-part role in the first team then that shows how highly they think of him at 16, players like Aquilani and De Rossi were only really given a chance at 19-20 and look at where they are now. Also, the fact that as you say, he's left footed but can play in various attacking roles should help him and give him a better chance of developing.
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By far.
Luckily they'll both play in the premiership next season, so we'll have our answer then. Bendtner is very talented, no question. Fraizer will turn heads next season.
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The part in bold I was actually referring to Pique. And to an extent it does mean something seeing as I have actually seen him play in both the first team and reserves and can figure out what his strengths and weaknesses are.

On Evans most people who watch sunderland seem to rate him highly. I've generally been impressed by him whenever I've seen him play. Has settled into international, then championship and now premiership football quite well. It all depends if he can make it at champions league level or not.

If Bendtner has shown his talent this season, then Vela who looks amazing should have an easy route in. To say Campbell would have no hope in hell in replacing him if you haven't seen him play is quite stupid.
Woops, I thought you meant it in the context that he would’ve been a monster if only he had pace. Also obviously thought you were referring to Evans. Is he the captain of Ireland or their best player already or something?

And I guess the lack of speed is why Pique opted to head back to Spain instead of sticking it out in England.

As for Bendtner and Frazier – I guess if he (Frazier) gets some time this season we’ll be able to make a call. But you seem to be seriously underrating Bendtner here, he's a very talented kid and should have a big future at the club if he continues to develop at this rate.

I’d have though with United’s lack of striker options Frazier would’ve been kept/brought back into the squad last season? Then again it's not like you needed him, and a full seasons first team action would be better then being used sparingly.
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Seriously is this joker slating Campbell without ever having seen him play? And I've said before (I know it's always going out on a limb with young players) but I think by the time Evans is 24/25 he'll be as good as Rio.
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Seriously is this joker slating Campbell without ever having seen him play? And I've said before (I know it's always going out on a limb with young players) but I think by the time Evans is 24/25 he'll be as good as Rio.


Joker?

Slating?

Learn to comprehend.
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[quote=Elliott;4754177]If I was an ugly loser and had no life, I might've practiced 14 hours a day as well*. The lad is a work product which explains why he's a shite songwriter and a drag to listen to. Music is feeling, this wanker has little or none.

What about you?Are you insane???? He's one of the most respected guitar player in the world! And no,he is an excellent songwriter.
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Seriously is this joker slating Campbell without ever having seen him play? And I've said before (I know it's always going out on a limb with young players) but I think by the time Evans is 24/25 he'll be as good as Rio.


Would be pushing it to say by the time he's 29 he may be as good defensively as Rio. But Rio has things Evans never will - the same as Pique has things Evans never will.
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Davide Petrucci, the new Totti... I just hope he's not going to spit on players from opposite team.

Anyway, he's highly rated in Italy, deadly attacking player, still got time to improve to become United quality.

Let's hope we've signed bright future for this club.
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Would be pushing it to say by the time he's 29 he may be as good defensively as Rio. But Rio has things Evans never will - the same as Pique has things Evans never will.
Rio will be what 33/4? And that's bullshit IMO. Rio's faster than Jonny but that's about it in terms of potential for me.
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What about you?Are you insane???? He's one of the most respected guitar player in the world! And no,he is an excellent songwriter.
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Thanks for the info mate, is he really that far down the line already? At 16, I was expecting him to play reserves and in the FA Youth Cup - despite his immense potential. But after having read that article and from what you've said, he seems an even bigger talent than what I gave him credit for originally. If Roma were going to give him a bit-part role in the first team then that shows how highly they think of him at 16, players like Aquilani and De Rossi were only really given a chance at 19-20 and look at where they are now. Also, the fact that as you say, he's left footed but can play in various attacking roles should help him and give him a better chance of developing.
No worries, I myself don't know loads about him but it's more than most

He is a better player than Ramsey in my opinion so it's not all bad for you. You also have the advantage of where he is at such a young age he will find it very easy to adapt to our game something most Italians have difficulty with.

I'm not sure where he is going to end up playing for you, Man Utd have a habit of repositioning youth players but generally it's for the best. Either way it will be an attacking role

I really thought that we would have signed him but this slipped under our noses by the look of it. Disapointing from our side but nothing we can do about it.
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