Dean Ashton for United

Pogue Mahone · 2nd May 2008, 10:53

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Originally Posted by cw1984

He's had a couple injuries but nothing thats kept him out for a substantial period of time. He's still played in most of our games.

I'm on about Saha/Van Persie or even Eduardo style injuries.

So rather than being "lucky" what you meant to say is that he hasn't been horrifically unlucky?

gaffs · 2nd May 2008, 10:56

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Originally Posted by cw1984

We've been lucky this year that Rooney hasnt picked up many injuries.

Rooney has had more than his fair share this season.

MikeUpNorth · 2nd May 2008, 11:00

I like Dean Ashton, he's a good player with a good touch and finishing ability. For £8million I'd bring him in as a alternative to Rooney and Tevez. His injury problems are in the main related to breaking his ankle, and that can happen to anyone; it's knee and recurring muscle problems you have to watch out for.

We can't expect everyone in the squad to be world class, some players need to be good honest players of this ilk.

cw1984 · 2nd May 2008, 11:07

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Originally Posted by gaffs

Rooney has had more than his fair share this season.

Yes he's had a few, but nothing daft is my point. He's still played most of our games this season.

oleonenumber20 · 2nd May 2008, 11:11

Im still not sure what to make of Ashton. Sometimes he looks great sometimes he looks Average. certainly hasnt got the quality of teddy. He could become the next Alan Smith, decent guy, nice squad player but doesnt really hack it at United level.
I would like to see how he plays for England.

cw1984 · 2nd May 2008, 11:17

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Originally Posted by oleonenumber20

Im still not sure what to make of Ashton. Sometimes he looks great sometimes he looks Average. certainly hasnt got the quality of teddy. He could become the next Alan Smith, decent guy, nice squad player but doesnt really hack it at United level.
I would like to see how he plays for England.

Watching him on TV does him no justice. His movement off the ball is fantastic and his passing is excellent. Still only 23 too i think..... He has the potential to be a quality player imo. Certainly good enough for our bench!

Name Changed · 2nd May 2008, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Dippersripper

Good player, but I'd prefer we give a chance to Wellbeck, Campbell and Manucho.

They would still get the chance as 4th choice strikers though?

We need a 3rd striker. That is for sure.

gaffs · 2nd May 2008, 12:21

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Originally Posted by oleonenumber20

Im still not sure what to make of Ashton. Sometimes he looks great sometimes he looks Average. certainly hasnt got the quality of teddy. He could become the next Alan Smith, decent guy, nice squad player but doesnt really hack it at United level.
I would like to see how he plays for England.

He is a lot stronger than Smith and loads better in the air.

I think he would be a good spearhead for our attack - he would be a good man for Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez to play off.

We could play a 4-2-3-1 with Tevez, Rooney and Ron behind Ashton.

golden_blunder · 2nd May 2008, 13:05

its going to be a long summer

Cupid Stunt · 2nd May 2008, 13:05

Fucking hell!!

Sorry to disappoint Caftards but there is no chance of us signing Ashton. SAF will be looking for a striker with mobility for our counter attacking style in Europe, like A Drogba, Torres, Saha, Benzema, Eto'o, Villa type player. I rate Ashton and all but his style is not what we are looking for, anybody can see that, well i guess not..

Why would we want a link player like Ashton? Rooney and Tevez occupy the same space.

skeeta · 2nd May 2008, 13:05

If he’d sign as a reserve and cost sub eight figure sum he’d by ok, we really need a player with a track record in England. We need someone who won’t burn up resources - or stand in the way of the likes of Campbell and Welbeck when/if they are ready. Far better to get someone who can do the required job than wasting money on a better player who can’t fill the gap as effectively. He has the added bonus of providing a serious aerial threat, an option that we currently lack.

Pogue Mahone · 2nd May 2008, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

Fucking hell!!

Sorry to disappoint Caftards but there is no chance of us signing Ashton. SAF will be looking for a striker with mobility for our counter attacking style in Europe, like A Drogba, Torres, Saha, Benzema, Eto'o, Villa type player. I rate Ashton and all but his style is not what we are looking for, anybody can see that, well i guess not..

Why would we want a link player like Ashton? Rooney and Tevez occupy the same space.

You do realise that not one of those players you list will be playing for United next season (apart from, maybe, Saha)

Surely you can do better than that?

GE · 2nd May 2008, 13:13

They're clearly trying to get him to raise his game tomorrow and use it as a shop window.

Cupid Stunt · 2nd May 2008, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

You do realise that not one of those players you list will be playing for United next season (apart from, maybe, Saha)

Surely you can do better than that?

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like A Drogba, Torres, Saha, Benzema, Eto'o, Villa type player.

Read that line. I was just suggesting the type of player we will be looking for, no who we will buy. Why are you being pedantic and taking out of context little elements of what i wrote?

Jiggs'Hamstring · 2nd May 2008, 13:15

Ashton is really good, but he is painfully slow and injury-prone. If he could get in better shape at united (which he probably would), I think he'd be great.

We won't sign him tho ... it's all hypothetical.

Pogue Mahone · 2nd May 2008, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

Read that line. I was just suggesting the type of player we will be looking for, no who we will buy. Why are you being pedantic and taking out of context little elements of what i wrote?

Not being pedantic, mate, at least that wasn't my intention. Genuinely curious to know who you think we might sign.

That's what this forum is all about, acting like a muppet and coming up with shopping lists. No point giving a list of players who are like the the type of striker we need. Get your arse off that fence and start guessing!

Eto'odinho · 2nd May 2008, 13:22

He's faster than John Hartson

FlawlessThaw · 2nd May 2008, 13:23

As a player I quite like Ashton and believe he should be starting for England along side Rooney. However I have doubts if he is a United quality player and mettle and the fitness to be a regular player for us. I would take him but for half the value stated.

Jiggs'Hamstring · 2nd May 2008, 13:30

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

As a player I quite like Ashton and believe he should be starting for England along side Rooney. However I have doubts if he is a United quality player and mettle and the fitness to be a regular player for us. I would take him but for half the value stated.

He's worth considerably more than 4 million. Gary Cahill's worth five ... ahem

Cupid Stunt · 2nd May 2008, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Not being pedantic, mate, at least that wasn't my intention. Genuinely curious to know who you think we might sign.

That's what this forum is all about, acting like a muppet and coming up with shopping lists. No point giving a list of players who are like the the type of striker we need. Get your arse off that fence and start guessing!

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at least that wasn't my intention.

^^ We need more smileys..

Sorry but i'm going to have to sit on the fence. Although i wouldnt mind David Villa

I think we just need a striker who can offer us mobility (Speed, Off the ball movement) and look's inbehind most importantly! We lack penetration with Rooney and Tevez coming deep, I dont see this as a negative from Rooney and Tevez, it's one aspect that helps us outplay teams, but we need someone who's main focus is scoring, not getting involved with the play. I think this is why Ronaldo has been prefered upfront in Europe, to offer us penetration.

Sean_RedDevil · 2nd May 2008, 13:38

This rumour one day before a game against West Ham

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 2nd May 2008, 13:42

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Originally Posted by Man-United

What type of player is he? I can't remember seeing him play this season. He looked great at Norwich though.

He seems like an Alan Shearer type of player

Colly · 2nd May 2008, 13:53

I think Ashton is an excellent player. Very intelligent, strong link-up player, proven record in the prem. I'd liken him to Sheringham in many ways actually. I think he'd be a great option for us as a 3rd or 4th striker - but not for £8M (£5M maybe - tops). I think a few of the lads on here are getting a wee bit carried away, I doubt very much he'd be bought as a main striker - he'd be a decent addition to the squad at the right price. I'm actually amazed that people are failing to see that

Cupid Stunt · 2nd May 2008, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Colly

I think Ashton is an excellent player. Very intelligent, strong link-up player, proven record in the prem. I'd liken him to Sheringham in many ways actually. I think he'd be a great option for us as a 3rd or 4th striker - but not for £8M (£5M maybe - tops). I think a few of the lads on here are getting a wee bit carried away, I doubt very much he'd be bought as a main striker - he'd be a decent addition to the squad at the right price. I'm actually amazed that people are failing to see that

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I think Ashton is an excellent player. Very intelligent, strong link-up player, proven record in the prem. I'd liken him to Sheringham in many ways actually.

I agree with this description but how many intelligent link up players do we need? Tevez, Rooney, Anderson and Giggs. Tevez, Rooney, Anderson are younger than Ashton and better IMO and less injury prone and all are actually playing for United already.

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I'm actually amazed that people are failing to see that

I'm amazed that people cant see that we really miss Saha, or a striker that offers what he does.

Pogue Mahone · 2nd May 2008, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

I agree with this description but how many intelligent link up players do we need? Tevez, Rooney, Anderson and Giggs. Tevez, Rooney, Anderson are younger than Ashton and better IMO and less injury prone and all are actually playing for United already..

It all depends on whether or not you think we actually need another striker, when Rooney and Tevez are both fit and firing. I've no problem with a like for like back-up for these two, especially someone who has the added benefit of being taller and better in the air.

Neither Anderson nor Giggs possess the same qualities as Tevez, Rooney and Ashton. Neither of them are strikers.

Cupid Stunt · 2nd May 2008, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

It all depends on whether or not you think we actually need another striker, when Rooney and Tevez are both fit and firing. I've no problem with a like for like back-up for these two, especially someone who has the added benefit of being taller and better in the air.

Neither Anderson nor Giggs possess the same qualities as Tevez, Rooney and Ashton. Neither of them are strikers.

Yeah you're right Anderson and Giggs are not strikers. I just think that Rooney and Tevez are 1 million miles better than Ashton and I cant see how a similar type of player like Ashton would get a look in.

I also have no problems with Rooney and Tevez playing together, none whatsoever. If we are to buy a striker i just hope it will be a striker who is one of the best strikers in the world at his craft and preferably, a different viable option. IMO Ashton is not.

Pogue Mahone · 2nd May 2008, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

I also have no problems with Rooney and Tevez playing together, none whatsoever. If we are to buy a striker i just hope it will be a striker who is one of the best strikers in the world at his craft and preferably, a different viable option. IMO Ashton is not.

I hope that too. But, when you're looking at a third or fourth place striker, that's not always essential (or possible).

I would never have said Teddy was one of the best strikers in the world but he was a brilliant addition to our squad.

Cupid Stunt · 2nd May 2008, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I hope that too. But, when you're looking at a third or fourth place striker, that's not always essential (or possible).

I would never have said Teddy was one of the best strikers in the world but he was a brilliant addition to our squad.

I dont know, in 99' we had 4 strikers who were the best in their craft, or in the premiership at least. Solksjaer was one of the best poachers ever, Cole was one of the best number 9's, Yorke was a super link up player and one of the best in Europe if not the world in the 99' season and Teddy was a genius. All with long distinguished careers and brilliant record's.

I think these 4 strikers set the standard for United as number 1,2,3 and 4. Each were very valuable, different and the best at thier craft. We shouldnt settle fo

2nd May 2008, 11:00	#43 (permalink)
MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,760	I like Dean Ashton, he's a good player with a good touch and finishing ability. For £8million I'd bring him in as a alternative to Rooney and Tevez. His injury problems are in the main related to breaking his ankle, and that can happen to anyone; it's knee and recurring muscle problems you have to watch out for. We can't expect everyone in the squad to be world class, some players need to be good honest players of this ilk.

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oleonenumber20 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,003	Im still not sure what to make of Ashton. Sometimes he looks great sometimes he looks Average. certainly hasnt got the quality of teddy. He could become the next Alan Smith, decent guy, nice squad player but doesnt really hack it at United level. I would like to see how he plays for England.

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golden_blunder Admin Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Swimming against a tide of shite Posts: 42,921	its going to be a long summer

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Cupid Stunt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: "In that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a shit hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a shit hanging from a stick." Posts: 1,524	Fucking hell!! Sorry to disappoint Caftards but there is no chance of us signing Ashton. SAF will be looking for a striker with mobility for our counter attacking style in Europe, like A Drogba, Torres, Saha, Benzema, Eto'o, Villa type player. I rate Ashton and all but his style is not what we are looking for, anybody can see that, well i guess not.. Why would we want a link player like Ashton? Rooney and Tevez occupy the same space.

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skeeta Yet another rambling idiot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Newton Heath (L&YR) F.C. 1878 Posts: 2,150	If he’d sign as a reserve and cost sub eight figure sum he’d by ok, we really need a player with a track record in England. We need someone who won’t burn up resources - or stand in the way of the likes of Campbell and Welbeck when/if they are ready. Far better to get someone who can do the required job than wasting money on a better player who can’t fill the gap as effectively. He has the added bonus of providing a serious aerial threat, an option that we currently lack.

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GE Captain Rio Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 7,949	They're clearly trying to get him to raise his game tomorrow and use it as a shop window.

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Jiggs'Hamstring Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: right up next to Sky Valley Posts: 604	Ashton is really good, but he is painfully slow and injury-prone. If he could get in better shape at united (which he probably would), I think he'd be great. We won't sign him tho ... it's all hypothetical.

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Eto'odinho Retard magnet Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chief Fiwagboola Posts: 8,625	He's faster than John Hartson

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 8,314	As a player I quite like Ashton and believe he should be starting for England along side Rooney. However I have doubts if he is a United quality player and mettle and the fitness to be a regular player for us. I would take him but for half the value stated.

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Sean_RedDevil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Close to Villa Park Posts: 1,524	This rumour one day before a game against West Ham

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Colly Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,297	I think Ashton is an excellent player. Very intelligent, strong link-up player, proven record in the prem. I'd liken him to Sheringham in many ways actually. I think he'd be a great option for us as a 3rd or 4th striker - but not for £8M (£5M maybe - tops). I think a few of the lads on here are getting a wee bit carried away, I doubt very much he'd be bought as a main striker - he'd be a decent addition to the squad at the right price. I'm actually amazed that people are failing to see that