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Old 4th May 2008, 23:36   #281 (permalink)
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How do you explain SAF's comments then very out of the ordinary for him
To be fair that actually doesn't mean a lot, last season after we beat Sheffield United he was praising Paddy Kenny saying he likes him a lot
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Old 4th May 2008, 23:37   #282 (permalink)
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To be fair that actually doesn't mean a lot, last season after we beat Sheffield United he was praising Paddy Kenny saying he likes him a lot
Different Class completely

Last season though he was also praising Tevez
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Fair enough,

but cant agree with that either. Tevez tends to hold on to the ball a bit longer than advisable but we dont seem to suffer in general. Havent seen berbatov have a tendency to hold onto it...if the pass is on he plays it...and plays it well.
His ability is undoubted. In fact he reminds of the great Cantona.

Don't get me wrong I would be elated if we somehow managed to sign him, but Benzema would be the ultimate for our team.
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Old 4th May 2008, 23:44   #284 (permalink)
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Berbatov would be superb for us. Just to state the obvious. Letīs imagine that Rooney and Tevez are unavailable for match at Anfield/Emirates/SB... would you trust Ashton to lead the line? I wouldnīt, but I would trust Berbatov. Thatīs the role of 3rd striker at club like United
Berbatov's better than Tevez.

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His ability is undoubted. In fact he reminds of the great Cantona.

Don't get me wrong I would be elated if we somehow managed to sign him, but Benzema would be the ultimate for our team.
This is drifting dangerously into transfer muppetry, but I agree.
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Old 4th May 2008, 23:51   #285 (permalink)
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Of course Benzema would be an ultimate signing. He is a talent on the level of Ronaldo and Rooney. Don't think it will happen though.
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Old 4th May 2008, 23:52   #286 (permalink)
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Of course Benzema would be an ultimate signing. He is a talent on the level of Ronaldo and Rooney. Don't think it will happen though.
based on what exactly?
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Old 4th May 2008, 23:54   #287 (permalink)
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Berbatov's better than Tevez.
Berbatov certainly has more creativity and skill on the ball but he is not as quick as Tevez nor is he as energetic as Tevez. Depends what system they are played in to be honest but I certainly wouldn't say no to Berbatov.
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based on what exactly?


On what basis did United splash so much on Rooney, and Ronaldo?

Benzema oozes potential, just like the 2 R's did.
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Old 5th May 2008, 00:04   #289 (permalink)
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based on what exactly?
i know you rate berbatov as the best addition to our strikeforce and even beter than bergkamp (which i respectfully disagree), but after having watched benzema for close to a year and half now, he is at the same level or even a notch higher than what wazza was when he first joined utd.

benzema really has everything in his locker when it comes to being a number 9. Scores with both feet, brilliant in the air, very good touch, wonderful dribble, top notch pace, superb strength, great movement, retains the ball well and lays it off when necessary. Most of all, he has that desire to want to be the main 'leading the line' striker. wants to play through the middle and bang in goals all day. pure pure class.

i like berbatov a lot, and for those who say he would slow down our attack, if anything he'd speed it up because he has ridiculous vision and could play 1 touch football all day if he wanted putting others through onto goal.

but benzema, at 20, is the future, short and long term. Just like euro 04 was wazza's coming out party to the world, euro 08 is benzema's IMO.
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Benzema would be the ultimate signing for us I feel. If we signed him they may as well give us the Premier League title next year as we would romp home. Ok I admit that is a huge exaggeration but I personally feel Benzema would be the final piece to what is a great side.

However I doubt we will get him, I doubt he will even leave Lyon this season.
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Old 5th May 2008, 00:06   #291 (permalink)
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based on what exactly?
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The post above me answered it pretty well so I will leave it at that.
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Old 5th May 2008, 00:07   #292 (permalink)
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but benzema, at 20, is the future, short and long term. Just like euro 04 was wazza's coming out party to the world, euro 08 is benzema's IMO.
Problem is the cunt wants to stay in France then go to Spain/Italy

Benzema aint ever going to happen
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Old 5th May 2008, 00:08   #293 (permalink)
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Berbatov certainly has more creativity and skill on the ball but he is not as quick as Tevez nor is he as energetic as Tevez. Depends what system they are played in to be honest but I certainly wouldn't say no to Berbatov.
He's as quick as Tevez, probably quicker.

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i know you rate berbatov as the best addition to our strikeforce and even beter than bergkamp (which i respectfully disagree)
No way is he as good as Begkamp. His touch is as good, but Bergkamp was a better finisher, and basically one of the all-time great centre forwards.
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Old 5th May 2008, 00:09   #294 (permalink)
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i know you rate berbatov as the best addition to our strikeforce and even beter than bergkamp (which i respectfully disagree), but after having watched benzema for close to a year and half now, he is at the same level or even a notch higher than what wazza was when he first joined utd.

benzema really has everything in his locker when it comes to being a number 9. Scores with both feet, brilliant in the air, very good touch, wonderful dribble, top notch pace, superb strength, great movement, retains the ball well and lays it off when necessary. Most of all, he has that desire to want to be the main 'leading the line' striker. wants to play through the middle and bang in goals all day. pure pure class.

i like berbatov a lot, and for those who say he would slow down our attack, if anything he'd speed it up because he has ridiculous vision and could play 1 touch football all day if he wanted putting others through onto goal.

but benzema, at 20, is the future, short and long term. Just like euro 04 was wazza's coming out party to the world, euro 08 is benzema's IMO.
Interesting. Just seemed a very bold statement to say he's on a level with ronaldo and rooney given he hasnt done a great deal yet. I assume he'll be starting for france in the euro's?
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Old 5th May 2008, 00:16   #296 (permalink)
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Yes, MAYBE he should have another full season at West Ham now he is over his injury but he is more than good enough for you

But i'll fucking hate you if you take away our best striker two seasons in a row
Did you or did you not want rid of him earlier in the season. I seem to remember you saying you'd prefer to get rid of him and get someone else in, in Jan.
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He's as quick as Tevez, probably quicker
I don't agree with that.
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i know you rate berbatov as the best addition to our strikeforce and even beter than bergkamp (which i respectfully disagree), but after having watched benzema for close to a year and half now, he is at the same level or even a notch higher than what wazza was when he first joined utd.

benzema really has everything in his locker when it comes to being a number 9. Scores with both feet, brilliant in the air, very good touch, wonderful dribble, top notch pace, superb strength, great movement, retains the ball well and lays it off when necessary. Most of all, he has that desire to want to be the main 'leading the line' striker. wants to play through the middle and bang in goals all day. pure pure class.

i like berbatov a lot, and for those who say he would slow down our attack, if anything he'd speed it up because he has ridiculous vision and could play 1 touch football all day if he wanted putting others through onto goal.

but benzema, at 20, is the future, short and long term. Just like euro 04 was wazza's coming out party to the world, euro 08 is benzema's IMO.
That's what we fucking need!
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Old 5th May 2008, 00:19   #299 (permalink)
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Interesting. Just seemed a very bold statement to say he's on a level with ronaldo and rooney given he hasnt done a great deal yet. I assume he'll be starting for france in the euro's?
he's not at rooney and ronaldo's CURRENT level, of course not. but he is easily better than ronaldo at age 19/20, and on level with wazza at 19/20.

well as you know with the french, well with domenech, no one knows what he'll do. He's frozen out his most inform striker of over a year (trezeguet).

On form, benzema and trezeguet should play. However domenech likes playing with henry and anelka up top. I think we'll see a lot of henry-benzema though.

we'll see. what is certain is that there are plenty who rate benzema as the next great number 9, and his price will be stupidly high because of pure competition from all the big clubs on the continent and in england. add to the fact he's from lyon, and he's a local boy who isn't in any rush to leave lyon.
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I don't agree with that.
I mean, Tevez is pretty slow, for a forward. Berbatov's not a pace-merchant, but he's certainly no slouch. A bit like Ruud when he first joined United... once he gets clear, they don't catch him.
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He's as quick as Tevez, probably quicker.



No way is he as good as Begkamp. His touch is as good, but Bergkamp was a better finisher, and basically one of the all-time great centre forwards.
i agree. i think even you are giving too much credit to berbatov in saying his touch is as good as bergkamp's. Bergkamp had arguably better touch than even zidane IMO, or atleast you could compare the two. Then again i am one of the few united supporters who feels that cantona is a notch below bergkamp, ability-wise, so maybe i am overrating bergkamp but for me he was a magic player. i was referring to gushiddink's view that berbatov is better.
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I mean, Tevez is pretty slow, for a forward. Berbatov's not a pace-merchant, but he's certainly no slouch. A bit like Ruud when he first joined United... once he gets clear, they don't catch him.
i also think we are seeing a very tired tevez. Let him hibernate this summer and watch him come back next term extremely fresh with a yard extra in quickness. he had a very decent turn of pace at boca.
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i agree. i think even you are giving too much credit to berbatov in saying his touch is as good as bergkamp's. Bergkamp had arguably better touch than even zidane IMO, or atleast you could compare the two. Then again i am one of the few united supporters who feels that cantona is a notch below bergkamp, ability-wise, so maybe i am overrating bergkamp but for me he was a magic player. i was referring to gushiddink's view that berbatov is better.
I know you were. And I agree re Bergkamp and Cantona. Bergkamp's the best striker I've ever seen live.

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i also think we are seeing a very tired tevez. Let him hibernate this summer and watch him come back next term extremely fresh with a yard extra in quickness. he had a very decent turn of pace at boca.
I hope you're right. Still, he's excellent even in this slightly sluggish incarnation.
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i also think we are seeing a very tired tevez. Let him hibernate this summer and watch him come back next term extremely fresh with a yard extra in quickness. he had a very decent turn of pace at boca.
Yep. Thus why I think he's quicker than Berbatov.
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i agree. i think even you are giving too much credit to berbatov in saying his touch is as good as bergkamp's. Bergkamp had arguably better touch than even zidane IMO, or atleast you could compare the two. Then again i am one of the few united supporters who feels that cantona is a notch below bergkamp, ability-wise, so maybe i am overrating bergkamp but for me he was a magic player. i was referring to gushiddink's view that berbatov is better.


In his prime Bergkamp was special, but with Cantona it was just not his footballing ability, it's how he completely transformed United, from a very good team to a Champions.

He was the complete package.
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In his prime Bergkamp was special, but with Cantona it was just not his footballing ability, it's how he completely transformed United, from a very good team to a Champions.

He was the complete package.
oh i agree, cantona had leadership qualities and intangibles that don't even begin to describe him completely as a player. i don't claim that bergkamp would've been better at utd than cantona either.

i merely made that comment in regards to pure ability of the two players, nothing more.

i think berbatov has more ability than tevez, but tevez has the heart and willpower of wazza or even greater. He's always shown it, from his boca days. it is why i was thrilled to bits when we got tev, and the dippers got torres. even after torres impressive goal haul, i would not have changed anything. tevez is a special player, and our club is the perfect fit for him.
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oh i agree, cantona had leadership qualities and intangibles that don't even begin to describe him completely as a player. i don't claim that bergkamp would've been better at utd than cantona either.

i merely made that comment in regards to pure ability of the two players, nothing more.

i think berbatov has more ability than tevez, but tevez has the heart and willpower of wazza or even greater. He's always shown it, from his boca days. it is why i was thrilled to bits when we got tev, and the dippers got torres. even after torres impressive goal haul, i would not have changed anything. tevez is a special player, and our club is the perfect fit for him.
In fairness, Torres playing alongside Rooney and Ronaldo would almost certainly have been totally unstoppable, better even than our strikeforce this season.

He's not as clever a player, but we've got Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick and Anderson for that. He's quicker than Tevez and a better finisher.
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