Downing to Liverpool?

Snow · 21st January 2012, 01:18

Where does this stuff come that Dalglish doesn't control the transfers? I thought every transfer potential was run by him and he has to agree with it. He might not control the figure per ce, who knows, but he certainly ain't getting players he didn't want.

africanspur · 21st January 2012, 01:35

At Spurs, Comolli was on a committee with the manager, levy and the club secretary. They would decide our needs, manager etc would give suggestions and then Comolli and his scouts would go out and compile lists for the committee to go through.

Whatever you want to say about Comolli, he knows a lot about the football transfer market and is often able to pick up quite a few gems. At Spurs, our transfer policy mostly revolved around buying young English players from the lower leagues for the future and talented players from abroad. The only signings I can think off from the top of my head which follow the transfer policy Liverpool have followed since he got there were Bentley and Bent. I certainly don't think he's got overarching control over transfer policy.

Varun_Utd · 21st January 2012, 06:00

Dalglish must have had ridiculously low expectations then.

SharkyMcShark · 21st January 2012, 06:10

Quote:

Liverpool's Kenny Dalglish: Stewart Downing is better than I thought

Was he expecting negative assists?

prateik · 21st January 2012, 06:14

Downing must be better than Joe 'betterthanmessi' Cole in training.

Bryan_Munich · 21st January 2012, 20:34

Is he still on 0 goals and 0 assists?

anver · 27th January 2012, 05:50

VIDEO: It's official, Liverpool's Downing really has bin rubbish!

By Neil Moxley

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th January 2012

For Liverpool fans wondering what, after a return of one goal in 26 games, the club saw in Stewart Downing, the secret is now out.

Owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner watched YouTube footage of him supposedly kicking five consecutive balls into five dustbins from 30 yards at Aston Villa’s training ground and were persuaded to complete a £20million move.

The only problem? The footage which shows Downing’s party piece was a fake. Villa’s audio-visual team edited the video to suggest Downing achieved the feat with five consecutive kicks.

When Kenny Dalglish’s interest in Downing was first communicated to the club’s paymasters, they logged on to YouTube. ‘There was some footage of Stewart where he is kicking footballs into five different trash cans,’ said Werner. ‘It was brilliant.
‘John and I said, “Oh my god, this player is brilliant, we have to figure out a way to make a deal”.’

It will never be known for certain, but was this mock-up responsible for Liverpool increasing their offer from £18m to £20m when the two clubs were haggling over the fee last July?

As for Villa, it appears that Nick Finney, who works in the club’s media department, was the brains behind the wheeze.

A Villa source said: ‘It was part of our 2010-11 season-ticket drive. ‘There is a message after it which reads, “Seeing is believing,” which we thought was a giveaway. Obviously, it wasn’t a big enough clue.’

Read more: Stewart Downing bin video | Mail Online

Pogue Mahone · 27th January 2012, 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by anver

VIDEO: It's official, Liverpool's Downing really has bin rubbish!

By Neil Moxley

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th January 2012

For Liverpool fans wondering what, after a return of one goal in 26 games, the club saw in Stewart Downing, the secret is now out.

Owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner watched YouTube footage of him supposedly kicking five consecutive balls into five dustbins from 30 yards at Aston Villa’s training ground and were persuaded to complete a £20million move.

The only problem? The footage which shows Downing’s party piece was a fake. Villa’s audio-visual team edited the video to suggest Downing achieved the feat with five consecutive kicks.

When Kenny Dalglish’s interest in Downing was first communicated to the club’s paymasters, they logged on to YouTube. ‘There was some footage of Stewart where he is kicking footballs into five different trash cans,’ said Werner. ‘It was brilliant.
‘John and I said, “Oh my god, this player is brilliant, we have to figure out a way to make a deal”.’

It will never be known for certain, but was this mock-up responsible for Liverpool increasing their offer from £18m to £20m when the two clubs were haggling over the fee last July?

As for Villa, it appears that Nick Finney, who works in the club’s media department, was the brains behind the wheeze.

A Villa source said: ‘It was part of our 2010-11 season-ticket drive. ‘There is a message after it which reads, “Seeing is believing,” which we thought was a giveaway. Obviously, it wasn’t a big enough clue.’

Read more: Stewart Downing bin video | Mail Online

That can't be a genuine quote? Surely?

Absolutely fecking hilarious if it is. It would also go a long way towards explaining the cack-handed way they managed the whole Suarez incident. Cretins.

Bryan_Munich · 27th January 2012, 09:27

Imagine what they said when they saw Charlie Adam taking corners.

anver · 27th January 2012, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

That can't be a genuine quote? Surely?

Absolutely fecking hilarious if it is. It would also go a long way towards explaining the cack-handed way they managed the whole Suarez incident. Cretins.

Well there you are.

They have given the name of the mastermind behind it. Nick Finney.

kouroux · 27th January 2012, 10:59

Hellboy · 27th January 2012, 12:03

Dustbin = Andy Carroll

Bryan_Munich · 27th January 2012, 16:53

Milner is better.

dev1l · 27th January 2012, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

That can't be a genuine quote? Surely?

Absolutely fecking hilarious if it is. It would also go a long way towards explaining the cack-handed way they managed the whole Suarez incident. Cretins.

Even if it's geniune, a good footballer has to have much more than precision in his passing...

Kelvin · 11th February 2012, 15:27

brilliant signing from Kenny to sign this utter shite.

kouroux · 11th February 2012, 15:35

I thought the Downing-Carroll connection was supposed to mesmerize the PL

prateik · 11th February 2012, 15:39

Better than expected.

Cold_Boy · 11th February 2012, 15:41

Kenny thought he would have been worse but he's surprised Downing is actually better.

#07 · 11th February 2012, 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by kouroux

I thought the Downing-Carroll connection was supposed to mesmerize the PL

Neo_Mufc · 11th February 2012, 16:43

20million well spent. 0 goals in the league 0 assists.

ehsanul · 11th February 2012, 19:25

Aston Villa made daylight robbery by selling Downing and Young at those prices,both are extremely limited with their abilities and skills.

Man-United · 11th February 2012, 19:28

Will always remember this, made a good laugh at redcafe back in 2006.

"He is only 22 - in the next five years, you could so easily see him being the next Ryan Giggs.

Downing tipped as next Giggs - Boro News - Boro FC - Gazette Live

EdWeatherall · 11th February 2012, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehsanul

Aston Villa made daylight robbery by selling Downing and Young at those prices,both are extremely limited with their abilities and skills.

Ridiculously harsh on Young to be fair
He's had a disrupted season, and was good at the start of the season

But yeh, they did great business with Downing

Skholesy · 11th February 2012, 19:43

give him time, he's barely been there...needs a season or so to settle sometimes..

Lynk · 11th February 2012, 19:47

Young has at least showed some class at the start of the season. Downing has shown fuck all.

mu77 · 11th February 2012, 20:20

when does he join up with them - summer?

amolbhatia100 · 11th February 2012, 20:26

What is he actually supposed to be good?

It can't be football. I refuse to believe it.

cesc's_mullet · 12th February 2012, 06:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by kouroux

I thought the Downing-Carroll connection was supposed to mesmerize the PL

It has though, for all the wrong reasons.

Really I thought Rafa was a bit of a clown in the transfer market, but not to be outdone Mr Dalglish has taken it to the next level.

Hellboy · 12th February 2012, 07:46

He's abysmal.

204Red · 12th February 2012, 08:20

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he has been worse for Liverpool than Carroll.

At least Carroll set up the goal that knocked us out of the FA cup...

Downing has done nothing and been even more dire... 20 Million, you must be having a laugh.

Inigo Montoya · 12th February 2012, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by kouroux

I thought the Downing-Carroll connection was supposed to mesmerize the PL

It has

RDCR07 · 12th February 2012, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_Mufc

20million well spent. 0 goals in the league 0 assists.

That is pathetic.

Raven Blade · 13th February 2012, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_Mufc

20million well spent. 0 goals in the league 0 assists.

Even i'm shocked by that. Downing is actually a decent overall player but Liverpool seem to have made him much worse. Carroll has got the same effect too.

gormless · 13th February 2012, 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man-United

Will always remember this, made a good laugh at redcafe back in 2006.

"He is only 22 - in the next five years, you could so easily see him being the next Ryan Giggs.

Downing tipped as next Giggs - Boro News - Boro FC - Gazette Live

Downing had a lot of potential back in his Boro days. Obviously not Giggs potential, but he could have been a Valencia type player. He basically provided Middlesbroughs creative threat single handedly for 3 or 4 years during which time they reached the UEFA cup final and won a trophy

Shimo · 13th February 2012, 04:04

Mcmanaman yesterday made a comment that made me cringe, he basically you have 2 world class wingers out there, one full of confidence and playing really well as such, the other's confidence in the crapper ...

He was talking about Valencia and Downing.

Downing world class?

Sky1981 · 13th February 2012, 04:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan_Munich

Milner is better.

Is that for real??

Cold_Boy · 13th February 2012, 05:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky1981

Is that for real??

Why are you even asking?

Kraftwerker · 13th February 2012, 18:02

Never underestimate LFC's ability to destroy even the slightest amount of talent.

Lance Uppercut · 13th February 2012, 18:07

He has been shite, but I think Henderson has been worse. Granted, not by much.

Cheesy · 13th February 2012, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

He has been shite, but I think Henderson has been worse. Granted, not by much.

The difference with Henderson is that they did buy him as a player who had potential and they expected to develop over time. It's difference with Downing. He's a player in his prime who they expected to make an instant impact, which he hasn't done.

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21st January 2012, 01:18	#1001 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 12,319	Where does this stuff come that Dalglish doesn't control the transfers? I thought every transfer potential was run by him and he has to agree with it. He might not control the figure per ce, who knows, but he certainly ain't getting players he didn't want.

21st January 2012, 01:35	#1002 (permalink)
africanspur Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,492	At Spurs, Comolli was on a committee with the manager, levy and the club secretary. They would decide our needs, manager etc would give suggestions and then Comolli and his scouts would go out and compile lists for the committee to go through. Whatever you want to say about Comolli, he knows a lot about the football transfer market and is often able to pick up quite a few gems. At Spurs, our transfer policy mostly revolved around buying young English players from the lower leagues for the future and talented players from abroad. The only signings I can think off from the top of my head which follow the transfer policy Liverpool have followed since he got there were Bentley and Bent. I certainly don't think he's got overarching control over transfer policy.

21st January 2012, 06:00	#1003 (permalink)
Varun_Utd First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Villa Posts: 5,145	Dalglish must have had ridiculously low expectations then.

21st January 2012, 06:14	#1005 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19,031	Downing must be better than Joe 'betterthanmessi' Cole in training.

21st January 2012, 20:34	#1006 (permalink)
Bryan_Munich Aka RichieRich12 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "If we are around about the top, the second half of the season presents an opportunity for us. With the way this club is organised to perform in the second half of the season, it helps us. It doesn't matter how we get there, or who is around us." Posts: 10,768	Is he still on 0 goals and 0 assists?

27th January 2012, 05:50	#1007 (permalink)
anver Shart stop Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colombo. Sri-Lanka Posts: 4,322	VIDEO: It's official, Liverpool's Downing really has bin rubbish! By Neil Moxley Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th January 2012 For Liverpool fans wondering what, after a return of one goal in 26 games, the club saw in Stewart Downing, the secret is now out. Owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner watched YouTube footage of him supposedly kicking five consecutive balls into five dustbins from 30 yards at Aston Villa’s training ground and were persuaded to complete a £20million move. The only problem? The footage which shows Downing’s party piece was a fake. Villa’s audio-visual team edited the video to suggest Downing achieved the feat with five consecutive kicks. When Kenny Dalglish’s interest in Downing was first communicated to the club’s paymasters, they logged on to YouTube. ‘There was some footage of Stewart where he is kicking footballs into five different trash cans,’ said Werner. ‘It was brilliant. ‘John and I said, “Oh my god, this player is brilliant, we have to figure out a way to make a deal”.’ It will never be known for certain, but was this mock-up responsible for Liverpool increasing their offer from £18m to £20m when the two clubs were haggling over the fee last July? As for Villa, it appears that Nick Finney, who works in the club’s media department, was the brains behind the wheeze. A Villa source said: ‘It was part of our 2010-11 season-ticket drive. ‘There is a message after it which reads, “Seeing is believing,” which we thought was a giveaway. Obviously, it wasn’t a big enough clue.’ Read more: Stewart Downing bin video \| Mail Online

27th January 2012, 09:27	#1009 (permalink)
Bryan_Munich Aka RichieRich12 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "If we are around about the top, the second half of the season presents an opportunity for us. With the way this club is organised to perform in the second half of the season, it helps us. It doesn't matter how we get there, or who is around us." Posts: 10,768	Imagine what they said when they saw Charlie Adam taking corners.

27th January 2012, 10:59	#1011 (permalink)
kouroux First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 25,570

27th January 2012, 12:03	#1012 (permalink)
Hellboy First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: "If he doesn't make it big i'll jump into the Manchester Ship Canal !" Eric Harrison on Tom Cleverley. Posts: 9,575	Dustbin = Andy Carroll

27th January 2012, 16:53	#1013 (permalink)
Bryan_Munich Aka RichieRich12 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "If we are around about the top, the second half of the season presents an opportunity for us. With the way this club is organised to perform in the second half of the season, it helps us. It doesn't matter how we get there, or who is around us." Posts: 10,768	Milner is better.

11th February 2012, 15:27	#1015 (permalink)
Kelvin Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,510	brilliant signing from Kenny to sign this utter shite.

11th February 2012, 15:35	#1016 (permalink)
kouroux First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 25,570	I thought the Downing-Carroll connection was supposed to mesmerize the PL

11th February 2012, 15:39	#1017 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19,031	Better than expected.

11th February 2012, 15:41	#1018 (permalink)
Cold_Boy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London,UK Posts: 17,368	Kenny thought he would have been worse but he's surprised Downing is actually better.

11th February 2012, 16:43	#1020 (permalink)
Neo_Mufc First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Matrix Posts: 6,481	20million well spent. 0 goals in the league 0 assists.

11th February 2012, 19:25	#1021 (permalink)
ehsanul Bestower of favours Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Man utd till i die Posts: 4,625	Aston Villa made daylight robbery by selling Downing and Young at those prices,both are extremely limited with their abilities and skills.

11th February 2012, 19:28	#1022 (permalink)
Man-United First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,602	Will always remember this, made a good laugh at redcafe back in 2006. "He is only 22 - in the next five years, you could so easily see him being the next Ryan Giggs. Downing tipped as next Giggs - Boro News - Boro FC - Gazette Live

11th February 2012, 19:43	#1024 (permalink)
Skholesy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 20-5....Because 20 is the new 18. Posts: 2,947	give him time, he's barely been there...needs a season or so to settle sometimes..

11th February 2012, 19:47	#1025 (permalink)
Lynk First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: "Liverpool couldn't win the league with Torres up front, Gerrard behind and Mascherano and Alonso in midfield. They aren't gonna win it with this shower of shit. " - Peterstorey Posts: 5,977	Young has at least showed some class at the start of the season. Downing has shown fuck all.

11th February 2012, 20:20	#1026 (permalink)
mu77 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,738	when does he join up with them - summer?

11th February 2012, 20:26	#1027 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Has excellent taste in women Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 27,707	What is he actually supposed to be good? It can't be football. I refuse to believe it.

12th February 2012, 07:46	#1029 (permalink)
Hellboy First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: "If he doesn't make it big i'll jump into the Manchester Ship Canal !" Eric Harrison on Tom Cleverley. Posts: 9,575	He's abysmal.

12th February 2012, 08:20	#1030 (permalink)
204Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,661	I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he has been worse for Liverpool than Carroll. At least Carroll set up the goal that knocked us out of the FA cup... Downing has done nothing and been even more dire... 20 Million, you must be having a laugh.

13th February 2012, 04:04	#1035 (permalink)
Shimo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,968	Mcmanaman yesterday made a comment that made me cringe, he basically you have 2 world class wingers out there, one full of confidence and playing really well as such, the other's confidence in the crapper ... He was talking about Valencia and Downing. Downing world class?

13th February 2012, 18:02	#1038 (permalink)
Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict Join Date: May 2008 Location: We can't stop here. This is bat country. Posts: 9,120	Never underestimate LFC's ability to destroy even the slightest amount of talent.

13th February 2012, 18:07	#1039 (permalink)
Lance Uppercut First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NOBODY, calls Dugan a turd. Posts: 19,765	He has been shite, but I think Henderson has been worse. Granted, not by much.