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A number of good players in the midfield area may be available over the summer - M'Vila, Hazard, Kagawa, Bale, Martinez .... There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth if we don't land one or two. |
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#1043 (permalink) |
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Only way I can see him at Barca is at fall back. He's show this season that he doesn't have the ability on his weaker foot to come inside, which would make it hard for him to fit in to Barca's current system as an attacker.
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#1046 (permalink) |
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I agree. He doesn't seem the kind of technically gifted all rounder who'd fit Barcelona's style of play. More the kick and rush type, who'd stick out like a sore thumb at the Camp Nou. It's a different story at full back though.
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#1049 (permalink) | |
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As you said at fall back he could be very good for them and it would allow him to play to his strengths. As they have the ball so much, and Xavi/Busquets who are both excellent defensively he probably wouldn't get exposed at fall back much either in the same way Alves doesn't really. Dunno how happy he would be dropping back to being a fall back though. |
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#1050 (permalink) |
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Yeah I agree, there are certain players who just don't suit that way, at united from a technical view point the likes of Valencia/Hernandez just would not fit in at all with that style. Bale is another, there were some rumours of Barca being interested in Walcott as well which I thought were odd, I can see how they'd like his runs from outisde to in, but his football intelligence and final pass look a fair bit below what I would expect from a Barcelona attacker.
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#1053 (permalink) |
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I don't have an issue with his first touch, on his right foot he's excellent, but he unquestionably gets exposed when he's driven inside because he's limited by the options he can do when he's having to rely on either hitting it with the outisde of his right foot or checking and turning back towards our right back. At what he does he's excellent but what he does and where his strengths come from, doesn't ft into certain styles of football.
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#1054 (permalink) |
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That has almost nothing to do with his technical skills though, just his style of play. And his lack of a left foot, but then Fabregas, Xavi and Messi aren't exactly the most two footed players you'll ever see. Valencia's a very tidy player technically, IMO.
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#1056 (permalink) |
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They may not be as two footed as some but they're a lot more comfortable than he is which enables them to fit in that system. But I'm not trying to say he's poor technically, Hernandez is in my opinion relatively poor in his technique in comparison to other attackers at top clubs, As you said valencia is more his style. His ability on his right foot is great and suits certain styles very well, it however wouldn't fit in to a team like Bacra/Arsenal.
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#1057 (permalink) |
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bale to barca would be a good move, but he would be playing a WB sort of role akin to alves on the right, rather than as an out-and-out winger, with 3 CBs.
woudl take him here as well for a similar reason. He played a lot at LB remember, and against weaker teams would be a good option to use as a fullback to provide extra attacking oomph. I agree with some that his game is reliant on pace, but I think that under Fergies guidance he would become immensely good regardless. |
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#1062 (permalink) |
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It's because we've thought about him quite a bit that we haven't.More to do with his injuries than ability.We took a huge punt on Hargreaves whose injuries were well known and on balance that didn't work out for the best.I'm not sure we will with Bale when there could be better options out there
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#1066 (permalink) |
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I am amazed by how some posters believe the kid will not be able to develop further, he'll always have weaker right foot, will only ever rely on his pace and is one injury away from non-league football. FFS the kid is essentially just starting his football bareer, delivers balls into the box better than most players in the world and has capacity to play either LB or LW.
IMO considering our left-sided option are a fading legend and increasingly error prone left-back, a signing like Bale might fill in a few gaps in our squad. |
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#1069 (permalink) |
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I don't think so personally. I think the days of playing with two out and out wingers who always look to go on the outside are over atm. Too many teams play defensive formations you need something different hence the popularity of wingers who can come inside as well. Both bale and Valencia get exposed when they're forced inside. Plus I think if you did that you'd need a powerful striker. Don't get me wrong if we could get bale, or if we had gotten him over spurs in the first place i'd be happy but I wouldn't say with in need of an attacker of bales style that much to justify a 40m ish spend.
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We have always traditionally stuck to a formation which allows for traditional, direct wing play, but even now when we do that, we need someone who can mix it up a bit, who can cut inside and involve himself in the play a bit more. That's what someone like Nani offers us when he's out on the wing. Even with our current style, I don't think it would really work if we just had two direct wingers. As for Rooney and Nani, I'm not so sure about that either. We've seen time and time again how good Rooney is as a second striker. It's where he operates best. Yes, he can score goals up front leading the line, but for me, it's wasting him in a sense because he has so much more than that to offer. Nani is creative admittedly, so could possibly thrive in a central role behind the striker, but we've seen how inconsistent he can be at times in comparison to Rooney, and I think he's better when he's played out on the wing. |
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bale as LB (don't say he cant defend, anything would be an upgrade to evra's defending nowadays) overlapping Nani who can cut in side would be even better than Rafael and Valencia's partnership.
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#1074 (permalink) |
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Yep no doubt about that particularly if we got another defensively strong midfielder in but still I don't see how we could justify the type of expenditure it would take to get him here when we don't really need him.
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Though both Young & Nani have previously been played out on the left, more often than not both players will cut inside and not get to the byline to deliver final ball. IMO this enables any half decent RB to dictate play, pushing players infield were it is more conjested.
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#1080 (permalink) |
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Barcelona are reportedly willing to lay down £50million for him. Fifty. For what will essentially be a left-back.
For his own career, he'd be better off at City, I'd say. He'd get to play further up the pitch and they could do with some width, unless he played on the right. Barca would be a riskier move for him and he'd be 'wasted' slightly playing as a defender, albeit a very attacking one (Dani Alves, RAM). |
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