Gonzalo Higuain

Devilton · 2nd June 2011, 19:19

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Originally Posted by Wan

That those goal scoring stuff ain't that impressive when you play as a 2nd striker/in the hole whatever that is.

So, the 20 goals Scholes scored wasn't impressive?

Well done. You've just proved how big of a muppet you are. Do yourself a favor and stop typing.

amolbhatia100 · 2nd June 2011, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Wan

It's easy when you play as a 2nd striker almost in Spurs set up.
Scholes got 20 goals in his position in 02/03.

Yes it's so easy even Scholes can do it.

Er what?

Wan · 2nd June 2011, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Devilton

Nobody knew how quickly Hernandez was going to adapt to the English game at that time and Rooney had already indicated before the world cup that he was thinking of leaving the club. So yeah, it might have been a good idea to get a backup.

What with football being a squad game and all.

Scholes, Gibson, Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher, Hargreaves(injured tho)
Valencia, Nani, Giggs, Park.. Cleverley
Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez, Owen.. Welbeck, Macheda
13 minus those out on loan fighting for 6 position. How many do we need?

Wan · 2nd June 2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Devilton

So, the 20 goals Scholes scored wasn't impressive?

Well done. You've just proved how big of a muppet you are. Do yourself a favor and stop typing.

You keep on harping those 10+ goals, but have he done it playing in the middle of midfield?

amolbhatia100 · 2nd June 2011, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Wan

You keep on harping those 10+ goals, but have he done it playing in the middle of midfield?

What are you smoking man? Pass some this way.

Devilton · 2nd June 2011, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Wan

You keep on harping those 10+ goals, but have he done it playing in the middle of midfield?

I actually only said it once.

Put the weed down and slowly back away from the keyboard.

Brwned · 2nd June 2011, 19:43

What he's saying is that VDV scoring 13 goals as a second striker isn't all that amazingly impressive, what Scholes did was top drawer not what VDV did, and that he would have struggled to replicate that level of scoring from a deeper midfield position. And that's obviously true as you can see a number of his goals come directly from playing off Crouch, being the only player in the box alongside him).

I do question his consistency and his influence at times, and his best position is behind the striker, so I don't really think we missed out on him. I think Higuain's a better player and potentially top class in his position, I think VDV failed to establish himself as that.

Pogue Mahone · 2nd June 2011, 19:50

Wan is making an incredibly obvious point, ignored by the usual suspects.

Boss mentioned VdV as a midfielder who can get you 10 goals/season. He's not. Not at Spurs anyway. He's a support striker who can get you 10 goals/season. Which isn't bad but it's considerably less impressive than a proper central midfielder achieving the same feat.

VoetbalWizard · 2nd June 2011, 19:54

goals from midfield are overrated. sure we were blessed with scholes' career, but i'd rather have 3 forwards/strikers who have top movement and interchange and each that have the ability to get you 30.

Otherwise we'd all be wanting tim fecking cahill.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 2nd June 2011, 19:56

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

goals from midfield are overrated. sure we were blessed with scholes' career, but i'd rather have 3 forwards/strikers who have top movement and interchange and each that have the ability to get you 30.

Otherwise we'd all be wanting tim fecking cahill.

This

amolbhatia100 · 2nd June 2011, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Wan is making an incredibly obvious point, ignored by the usual suspects.

Boss mentioned VdV as a midfielder who can get you 10 goals/season. He's not. Not at Spurs anyway. He's a support striker who can get you 10 goals/season. Which isn't bad but it's considerably less impressive than a proper central midfielder achieving the same feat.

Sigh.

Collina · 2nd June 2011, 20:01

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Originally Posted by amolbhatia100

Sigh.

Why don't you answer the point instead? It's a good point. Ignore the usual suspect bit, that's not what's important in that post.

Pogue Mahone · 2nd June 2011, 20:02

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

goals from midfield are overrated. sure we were blessed with scholes' career, but i'd rather have 3 forwards/strikers who have top movement and interchange and each that have the ability to get you 30.

Otherwise we'd all be wanting tim fecking cahill.

We could definitely do with more goals from central midfield. It's more important that whoever we do sign is a good midfielder but we'd be a better side if we were less reliant on our wingers/strikers to get all our goals. All the best sides have central midfielders that get a share of the goals.

amolbhatia100 · 2nd June 2011, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Collina

Why don't you answer the point instead? It's a good point. Ignore the usual suspect bit, that's not what's important in that post.

Because petty little jibes aren't necessary.

It's a good point actually and makes complete sense. Wasn't worded very well though.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 2nd June 2011, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

We could definitely do with more goals from central midfield. It's more important that whoever we do sign is a good midfielder but we'd be a better side if we were less reliant on our wingers/strikers to get all our goals. All the best sides have central midfielders that get a share of the goals.

Barca's current midfield is not known for their goal scoring prowess. Yet its the best on the planet.

De Selby · 2nd June 2011, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

We could definitely do with more goals from central midfield. It's more important that whoever we do sign is a good midfielder but we'd be a better side if we were less reliant on our wingers/strikers to get all our goals. All the best sides have central midfielders that get a share of the goals.

I don't think Barca are particularly prolific from midfield, though. Or maybe they are...I just can't remember Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets or Keita weighing in with a lot of goals.

Either way, I don't think it's a necessity for a team to have goal-scoring midfielders. Once the forwards are doing their job then that should be enough.

De Selby · 2nd June 2011, 20:09

Fuck you, Red Indian Chief!

I hardly make any serious football-related posts, and when I do some gimp has to step in and steal my thunder. I hope you're happy.

Pogue Mahone · 2nd June 2011, 20:10

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Originally Posted by De Selby

I don't think Barca are particularly prolific from midfield, though. Or maybe they are...I just can't remember Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets or Keita weighing in with a lot of goals.

Either way, I don't think it's a necessity for a team to have goal-scoring midfielders. Once the forwards are doing their job then that should be enough.

I think Xavi and Iniesta have got a good few this season. It's not an absolute necessity (we've done well enough without one these last few years) but it's definitely a good string to have to your bow (if a football team could ever somehow share a bow)

EDIT: just checked. 14 between them. That's definitely not "a good few". My bad.

KM · 2nd June 2011, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Devilton

He can play in Giggs position as well. Are you actually telling me you think VdV who has been a natural midfielder all his life can't do the job a 37 year old converted winger is doing? That's ridiculous...

VdV could have walked onto our team and immediately added quality and depth to the squad. The only reason for not signing him as far I know is that SAF thought Scholes / Giggs could share the burden and then Carrick / Fletcher / Hargreaves (as we all believed he'd be back last year) / Anderson and Gibson would make it difficult for VdV to get enough games.

But you look at his ability and there is no question he brings a unique skill set to the midfield. How many of our midfielders can give you the 10 goals a season that he can?

VdV would have been a great signing for us, if nothing else then because he went for dirt cheap. A few million pounds more then Bebe. heh...talk about value.

VdV will do very well to replicate the kind of form that 37yr Converted Winger has shown in the last two-three months.

On a completely unrelated note, why are so fucking obsessed about this Value thing anyways?

Bebe's signing didn't affect VDV's non-arrival, so why is the obsession of bringing Bebe into this. I also remember how you made sarcastic comments about value when Hernandez was signed, how has that turned out?

Devil may care · 2nd June 2011, 20:14

Xavi has 5 and Iniesta 9 for this season.

On the subject of Higuain, if £15M is all Real are asking for I imagine he'll have his pick of just about every top club in the 3 main leagues.

niMic · 2nd June 2011, 21:04

£15 million for Higuain? If that's really on the table, and he wouldn't mind coming to us, we should pounce.

Chabon · 2nd June 2011, 21:28

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

goals from midfield are overrated. sure we were blessed with scholes' career, but i'd rather have 3 forwards/strikers who have top movement and interchange and each that have the ability to get you 30.

Otherwise we'd all be wanting tim fecking cahill.

I remember a couple of years ago every spacker in the newbie forum slagging off Carrick (our defensive midfielder) for not scoring enough goals, and I produced a list of every central midfielder playing for a big European club and very few had scored more than Carrick. You could probably do the same this season for Anderson.

Centre-mids aren't there to score goals, especially these days.

RDCR07 · 3rd June 2011, 01:34

First of all I don't think they will let Higuain go. And even if they do, they won't be selling him for just £15m.

mariachi-19 · 3rd June 2011, 01:47

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Originally Posted by niMic

£15 million for Higuain? If that's really on the table, and he wouldn't mind coming to us, we should pounce.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 3rd June 2011, 06:29

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Originally Posted by De Selby

Fuck you, Red Indian Chief!

I hardly make any serious football-related posts, and when I do some gimp has to step in and steal my thunder. I hope you're happy.

Sorry mate

RedSky At Night · 3rd June 2011, 09:35

I have a feeling he could be Spurs bound.

Real won't want to sell him to any of the European rival clubs. That rules us, Chelsea/Arsenal out.

Spurs are desperate for a decent striker and with their recent VDV transfer, they have dealt with Real before. Would be a decent move for him too, 1st team football, plenty of supply from a decent midfield. It's whether he'd be willing to take a step down into the Europa League.

Sarni · 3rd June 2011, 10:49

He would be a great signing for Tottenham, but would he really move to a club that doesn't compete for trophies after years as a first team player at Real Madrid? I think there is more of a chance of him moving to a team like Bayern, Milan, even Juventus than Tottenham who will simply offer him nothing. The are a decent team for someone who wants to make his name and then move to a truly top club, like Bale, Modric or Berbatov before, but Higuain already got a name that guarantees him the interest of all top sides.

Chirag · 3rd June 2011, 10:52

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Originally Posted by RedSky At Night

I have a feeling he could be Spurs bound.

Real won't want to sell him to any of the European rival clubs. That rules us, Chelsea/Arsenal out.

Spurs are desperate for a decent striker and with their recent VDV transfer, they have dealt with Real before. Would be a decent move for him too, 1st team football, plenty of supply from a decent midfield. It's whether he'd be willing to take a step down into the Europa League.

What makes you think Higuain will settle for Spurs? Also Real will not give a fuck who they sell their players to as long as they get the money they are asking for or even considerable less..

Robben - Bayern
Sneijder - Inter

The end point is Real want to get rid of their players.. Like I have said many times over.. Real Madrid are not a football club they are a Circus..

P.S I do not believe Real Madrid want to get rid of Higuain.. If they do then they only further prove my point of how they are a complete fucking joke of a football club!

jojojo · 3rd June 2011, 11:51

Mourinho says, "Higuain and Benzema are not for sale. We all agree."

So unless Higuain is looking for a move then it's a non-story.

Boss · 3rd June 2011, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Wan is making an incredibly obvious point, ignored by the usual suspects.

Boss mentioned VdV as a midfielder who can get you 10 goals/season. He's not. Not at Spurs anyway. He's a support striker who can get you 10 goals/season. Which isn't bad but it's considerably less impressive than a proper central midfielder achieving the same feat.

I did?!?

I rarely speak about him, let me browse this thread.

Commadus · 3rd June 2011, 12:23

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

We could definitely do with more goals from central midfield. It's more important that whoever we do sign is a good midfielder but we'd be a better side if we were less reliant on our wingers/strikers to get all our goals. All the best sides have central midfielders that get a share of the goals.

Xavi 50 apps 5 goals
Iniesta 50 apps 9 goals
Busquest 46 apps 1 goals

146 apps 15 goals

Carrick 43 apps 0 goals
Ryan Giggs 38 apps 4 goals
Scholes 32 apps 1 goal
Anderson 30 apps 4 goals

143 apps 9 goals

A few more goals from midfield won't go amiss.

Modric 42 apps 4 goals
Sneijder 38 apps 7 goals
Fabregas 35 apps 9 goals

Brwned · 3rd June 2011, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Boss

I don't think Pipita is the most talented player you'll ever see.

I also question his big game mentality.

He doesn't have many facets to his game but one thing he's nearly untouchable at is scoring goals.

It's just that in todays football to make it at big clubs strikers are expected to more than just score goals and have real ability to influence the game.

but he's young, very young.

I remember back in 2006 he was playing like Bebe which shows how far he's come along.

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Originally Posted by Boss

I just hope his amazing talent does not go to waste and he makes the World Cup sqaud in the process.

What made you change your mind so drastically?

SmashedHombre · 3rd June 2011, 12:33

I don't really see what Barcelona's midfield have to do with anything in all honesty, they're a completely different beast altogether, not to mention the fact they have Lionel Messi. We are not as good as Barcelona, nor do we play the same way as them. Nor do we have Lionel Messi. We need more of a threat from midfield, which is pretty limp for a team of our stature, in all honesty.

Drifter · 3rd June 2011, 14:24

Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho says Karim Benzema and Gonzalo Higuain will remain at the Spanish club despite transfer speculation, as the Portuguese coach expects the young strikers to help the team build "a new era in European football."

Mourinho broke a self-imposed, monthlong silence in a radio interview with Cadena Ser late Thursday night to defend his actions during the ill-tempered Champions League semifinal against Barcelona, which led to UEFA giving him a five-match ban.

Mourinho has taken the case to CAS because "I've been sanctioned without knowing why."

After winning a power struggle with Jorge Valdano, who was fired as managing director, Mourinho adds that "I won't have any more power ... I'll be the coach and nothing more."

Well that seems to be that then.

Decotron · 3rd June 2011, 14:25

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Originally Posted by Boss

I don't think Pipita is the most talented player you'll ever see.

I also question his big game mentality.

He doesn't have many facets to his game but one thing he's nearly untouchable at is scoring goals.

It's just that in todays football to make it at big clubs strikers are expected to more than just score goals and have real ability to influence the game.

but he's young, very young.

I remember back in 2006 he was playing like Bebe which shows how far he's come along.

this shit again

Boss · 3rd June 2011, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Brwned

What made you change your mind so drastically?

Woke up with a different perception of talent.

Boss · 3rd June 2011, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Decotron

this shit again

Do go on....!

Brwned · 3rd June 2011, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Boss

Woke up with a different perception of talent.

Seriously though.

Boss · 3rd June 2011, 15:31

Super serial, I actually thought I explained it when I said he's a sensational goal scorer but in the current climate strikers are expected to have alot more facets to their game where Higuain lacks some serial strings to his bow.

but seriously Decetron what done you agree with?

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2nd June 2011, 19:43	#527 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	What he's saying is that VDV scoring 13 goals as a second striker isn't all that amazingly impressive, what Scholes did was top drawer not what VDV did, and that he would have struggled to replicate that level of scoring from a deeper midfield position. And that's obviously true as you can see a number of his goals come directly from playing off Crouch, being the only player in the box alongside him). I do question his consistency and his influence at times, and his best position is behind the striker, so I don't really think we missed out on him. I think Higuain's a better player and potentially top class in his position, I think VDV failed to establish himself as that.

2nd June 2011, 19:50	#528 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 59,524	Wan is making an incredibly obvious point, ignored by the usual suspects. Boss mentioned VdV as a midfielder who can get you 10 goals/season. He's not. Not at Spurs anyway. He's a support striker who can get you 10 goals/season. Which isn't bad but it's considerably less impressive than a proper central midfielder achieving the same feat.

2nd June 2011, 19:54	#529 (permalink)
VoetbalWizard First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: at the altar of ryan giggs Posts: 10,452	goals from midfield are overrated. sure we were blessed with scholes' career, but i'd rather have 3 forwards/strikers who have top movement and interchange and each that have the ability to get you 30. Otherwise we'd all be wanting tim fecking cahill.

2nd June 2011, 20:09	#537 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Look at that fucker Dance. Posts: 4,709	Fuck you, Red Indian Chief! I hardly make any serious football-related posts, and when I do some gimp has to step in and steal my thunder. I hope you're happy.

2nd June 2011, 20:14	#540 (permalink)
Devil may care First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,328	Xavi has 5 and Iniesta 9 for this season. On the subject of Higuain, if £15M is all Real are asking for I imagine he'll have his pick of just about every top club in the 3 main leagues.

2nd June 2011, 21:04	#541 (permalink)
niMic may peace and blessings of God be upon me Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: And I'm all out of bubblegum. Posts: 10,781	£15 million for Higuain? If that's really on the table, and he wouldn't mind coming to us, we should pounce.

3rd June 2011, 01:34	#543 (permalink)
RDCR07 Not a bad guy (Whale Killer) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Special One on the Great One: "I don't call him Alex or Sir or Mister. I call him Boss!" Posts: 11,328	First of all I don't think they will let Higuain go. And even if they do, they won't be selling him for just £15m.

3rd June 2011, 09:35	#546 (permalink)
RedSky At Night RTA waiting to happen Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nottingham Forest (in Soccer Manager League) Posts: 16,586	I have a feeling he could be Spurs bound. Real won't want to sell him to any of the European rival clubs. That rules us, Chelsea/Arsenal out. Spurs are desperate for a decent striker and with their recent VDV transfer, they have dealt with Real before. Would be a decent move for him too, 1st team football, plenty of supply from a decent midfield. It's whether he'd be willing to take a step down into the Europa League.

3rd June 2011, 10:49	#547 (permalink)
Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan. Thinks hes intelligent though. Nutter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Krakow Posts: 21,630	He would be a great signing for Tottenham, but would he really move to a club that doesn't compete for trophies after years as a first team player at Real Madrid? I think there is more of a chance of him moving to a team like Bayern, Milan, even Juventus than Tottenham who will simply offer him nothing. The are a decent team for someone who wants to make his name and then move to a truly top club, like Bale, Modric or Berbatov before, but Higuain already got a name that guarantees him the interest of all top sides.

3rd June 2011, 11:51	#549 (permalink)
jojojo First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Watching - just in case Posts: 7,932	Mourinho says, "Higuain and Benzema are not for sale. We all agree." So unless Higuain is looking for a move then it's a non-story.

3rd June 2011, 12:33	#553 (permalink)
SmashedHombre Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lake Ch... Posts: 28,156	I don't really see what Barcelona's midfield have to do with anything in all honesty, they're a completely different beast altogether, not to mention the fact they have Lionel Messi. We are not as good as Barcelona, nor do we play the same way as them. Nor do we have Lionel Messi. We need more of a threat from midfield, which is pretty limp for a team of our stature, in all honesty.

3rd June 2011, 14:24	#554 (permalink)
Drifter No Lifer Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,939	Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho says Karim Benzema and Gonzalo Higuain will remain at the Spanish club despite transfer speculation, as the Portuguese coach expects the young strikers to help the team build "a new era in European football." Mourinho broke a self-imposed, monthlong silence in a radio interview with Cadena Ser late Thursday night to defend his actions during the ill-tempered Champions League semifinal against Barcelona, which led to UEFA giving him a five-match ban. Mourinho has taken the case to CAS because "I've been sanctioned without knowing why." After winning a power struggle with Jorge Valdano, who was fired as managing director, Mourinho adds that "I won't have any more power ... I'll be the coach and nothing more." Well that seems to be that then.

3rd June 2011, 15:31	#559 (permalink)
Boss Melodramatic, attention seeking space-attacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I left you with enough memories to resurrect me with Posts: 24,283	Super serial, I actually thought I explained it when I said he's a sensational goal scorer but in the current climate strikers are expected to have alot more facets to their game where Higuain lacks some serial strings to his bow. but seriously Decetron what done you agree with?