Jack Rodwell

apotheosis · 16th January 2012, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

And does he look like he has a United player sort of mentality? I.e. is he, as MikeUpNorth would put it, a 'fucking winner'?

That is the question atm, once he plays one position for a decent amount of time, we should get a much better idea of what influence he can have on the team or not. I hope he can, but too early to determine anything without speculating wildly.

apotheosis · 16th January 2012, 13:26

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Originally Posted by marrakoosh

I thought the same. The amount for Gibson seemed unusually low.

Fergie and Moyes seem to have a decent relationship and so it's quite possible he'll be our first signing in the summer.

I hope so. I'll be honest from what i had seen of the 2, personally i would have rated Rodwell much higher than Jones. He seemed to just have much more capacity to his game.

Rodwell has suffered more with injury than Jones, but lookin at how Jones kicked on when he got here, i would be very hopeful of Rodwell doing the same. If he can, he will be an absolute beast of a CM imo, possibly an English Yaya Toure, although maybe not quite as technically gifted.

Varun_Utd · 16th January 2012, 14:11

I hope he steps it up IF he does come to us, havent been impressed in the few occasions that i'v seen him play. versatile player no doubt but i'd rather we signed a specialist at CM. Fucking good at what he does rather than being decently good at multiple roles. That said, at his age, he does have a lot of potential to grow as a player. Injury prone though which is always a concern.

Ramshock · 16th January 2012, 14:16

I think he would be perfect for Fergie to mould, dunno why interest has dropped!

MrMarcello · 16th January 2012, 14:16

20m (plus a player) for Rodwell... seriously? How many holding midfielders does 'Arry need?

Assuming there's any truth in that rumor.

africanspur · 16th January 2012, 14:39

I'll be honest, I don't really get the hype with him. Good player for sure but think he's been overhyped to high heaven.

Sir Matt · 16th January 2012, 14:58

The fee for Gibson was so low because he had 6 months left on his contract and was available on a free in the summer.

Pogue Mahone · 16th January 2012, 15:00

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Originally Posted by africanspur

I'll be honest, I don't really get the hype with him. Good player for sure but think he's been overhyped to high heaven.

I actually think he's one of those youngsters that attracts so much hype at a young age that when they have the sort of dodgy spell that affects most young players at some point, people gleefully tear into them to an extent where they end up being massively under-rated. Not unlike your own Gareth Bale. The same thing happened to Jonny Evans at United.

I've a sneaking suspicion the same thing is happening with Carroll and Henderson at Liverpool but fuck it, I'm enjoying their hubris while it lasts.

ha_rooney · 16th January 2012, 15:07

A young player with plenty of potential and good PL experience already and he's versatile so would suit us playing either 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. I've not seen enough of him to comment on whether he'd be a great signing for us and his injury problems may be a bit of a concern but it's the type of player SAF likes to sign.

Plechazunga · 16th January 2012, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I actually think he's one of those youngsters that attracts so much hype at a young age that when they have the sort of dodgy spell that affects most young players at some point, people gleefully tear into them to an extent where they end up being massively under-rated. Not unlike your own Gareth Bale. The same thing happened to Jonny Evans at United.

I don't think there's been much gleeful tearing into Jack Rodwell, not that I've noticed anyway. More a case of forgetting he exists.

If he does fail to live up to his potential as a footballer, he's got a cracking pornstar name. Though making it there will require some of the same qualities of character and fitness...as well as having an enormous penis.

The jury's out at the moment on all these questions

Ole's_toe_poke · 16th January 2012, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I've a sneaking suspicion the same thing is happening with Carroll and Henderson at Liverpool but fuck it, I'm enjoying their hubris while it lasts.

Nah. Carroll is just limited.

I've said before that Henderson could turn out to be a good player in a couple of years time and under good management. Only 20 years old.

soapythecat · 16th January 2012, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

I don't think there's been much gleeful tearing into Jack Rodwell, not that I've noticed anyway. More a case of forgetting he exists.

If he does fail to live up to his potential as a footballer, he's got a cracking pornstar name. Though making it there will require some of the same qualities of character and fitness...as well as on having an enormous penis.

The jury's out at the moment on all these questions

Freak · 16th January 2012, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

And does he look like he has a United player sort of mentality? I.e. is he, as MikeUpNorth would put it, a 'fucking winner'?

Nope. Everytime I see him play, the game seems to bypass him. He doesn't seem to want the ball. As ferge once said about cleverley that he's the typical united type of player who always wants the ball. Rodwell does not do that.

MrMarcello · 16th January 2012, 17:40

Plech must have some sort of inside info on Rodwell's penis size...

Fiskey · 16th January 2012, 17:44

I'll quote what I put in the Gibson thread a while ago:

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Originally Posted by Fiskey

His natural athleticism means that he is the perfect physical specimen for a modern day centre midfielder, he's strong, has the stamina to cover ground for 90 minutes and his height means that he is an asset in defensive situations. These are attributes that one is just born with, and its hugely difficult to develop so this alone sets Rodwell aside from many of his young centre midfield contemporaries.

His game as yet in centre midfield is under developed, his position is still lacking and he doesn't seem to have the game intelligence of someone like a Cleverly, possibly this is due to the fact that up until the age of 15/16 he was almost exclusively used as a central defender, so still has a lot to learn in the position which perhaps aside from goalkeeper is most reliant on experience.

Technically however he is extremely sound, well sound enough as a youngster to stand out at every level he has played for England below the senior set up. He is one of the most naturally ambidextrous footballers I have ever seen, and from the perspective of a centre midfielder this skill coupled with his technique gives him so many more passing options, angles and an ability to time a pass that I have rarely seen from someone so young, when he couples these abilities with better game intelligence I see no reason why he will not be able to dictate the tempo of games in a Carrick like manner at the very highest level.

Rodwell is a player who has been a regular starter in team on the fringes of Champions league qualification in the most difficult position on the pitch since the age of 17, and as things stand is still only 20. If we look at the best centre midfielders of the last generation, very few of them had as much experience at the level Rodwell has had by this age, or in my opinion looked as convincing a talent.

Plechazunga · 16th January 2012, 17:46

That was weird, I thought it was about Gibson at first and felt like I might be going insane.

Fiskey · 16th January 2012, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

It agrees with the first one on pretty much every point.

The threads must have got merged or something!

Brwned · 8th May 2012, 00:15

26 passes per game, 81% completion in 09/10
25 passes per game, 83% completion in 10/11
27 passes per game, 87% completion in 11/12

Err...I suppose that's gradual progress. Still shockingly few passes per game, it doesn't look good when you're making half as many passes as Fellaini. Worse still is him playing less games in each season.

KingEric7 · 8th May 2012, 00:45

Have never really seen the fuss with Rodwell, I must admit. Have never seen anything to suggest he'll be top class as a midfielder, and he doesn't look to have anywhere near the level of talent of Smalling or Evans say at centre back either.

We seem to get linked with him for £20m every single transfer window despite this. There's a post up there speculating that he could end up being as good as Carrick; with all due respect to Carrick who I really rate and feel we'd be fucked without, we shouldn't be looking at players at the moment who have the potential to be of his standard - we should be looking at players at least of Carrick's standard with the potential to be better.

Rodwell just doesn't seem to be that player. I can't see him being as good as Carrick either, to be honest.

RDCR07 · 8th May 2012, 01:05

He needs to find a way to add more goals to his games, especially if he is going to play in midfield continually.

Fiskey · 8th May 2012, 10:58

I still believe!

Decotron · 8th May 2012, 11:03

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

He needs to find a way to add more goals to his games, especially if he is going to play in midfield continually.

Why exactly? plenty of top midfielders dont score many goals. Hardly an issue given his natural style of play....

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16th January 2012, 14:11	#1763 (permalink)
Varun_Utd First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Villa Posts: 5,145	I hope he steps it up IF he does come to us, havent been impressed in the few occasions that i'v seen him play. versatile player no doubt but i'd rather we signed a specialist at CM. Fucking good at what he does rather than being decently good at multiple roles. That said, at his age, he does have a lot of potential to grow as a player. Injury prone though which is always a concern.

16th January 2012, 14:16	#1764 (permalink)
Ramshock poster of nonsense Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Four Green Fields Posts: 10,350	I think he would be perfect for Fergie to mould, dunno why interest has dropped!

16th January 2012, 14:16	#1765 (permalink)
MrMarcello No Lifer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Georgia Posts: 31,943	20m (plus a player) for Rodwell... seriously? How many holding midfielders does 'Arry need? Assuming there's any truth in that rumor.

16th January 2012, 14:39	#1766 (permalink)
africanspur Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,492	I'll be honest, I don't really get the hype with him. Good player for sure but think he's been overhyped to high heaven.

16th January 2012, 14:58	#1767 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,295	The fee for Gibson was so low because he had 6 months left on his contract and was available on a free in the summer.

16th January 2012, 15:07	#1769 (permalink)
ha_rooney First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,109	A young player with plenty of potential and good PL experience already and he's versatile so would suit us playing either 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. I've not seen enough of him to comment on whether he'd be a great signing for us and his injury problems may be a bit of a concern but it's the type of player SAF likes to sign.

16th January 2012, 17:40	#1774 (permalink)
MrMarcello No Lifer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Georgia Posts: 31,943	Plech must have some sort of inside info on Rodwell's penis size...

16th January 2012, 17:46	#1776 (permalink)
Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint, chairs and computers are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Where Albert Stubbins scored a diving header Posts: 47,728	That was weird, I thought it was about Gibson at first and felt like I might be going insane.

8th May 2012, 00:15	#1778 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	26 passes per game, 81% completion in 09/10 25 passes per game, 83% completion in 10/11 27 passes per game, 87% completion in 11/12 Err...I suppose that's gradual progress. Still shockingly few passes per game, it doesn't look good when you're making half as many passes as Fellaini. Worse still is him playing less games in each season.

8th May 2012, 00:45	#1779 (permalink)
KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 18,941	Have never really seen the fuss with Rodwell, I must admit. Have never seen anything to suggest he'll be top class as a midfielder, and he doesn't look to have anywhere near the level of talent of Smalling or Evans say at centre back either. We seem to get linked with him for £20m every single transfer window despite this. There's a post up there speculating that he could end up being as good as Carrick; with all due respect to Carrick who I really rate and feel we'd be fucked without, we shouldn't be looking at players at the moment who have the potential to be of his standard - we should be looking at players at least of Carrick's standard with the potential to be better. Rodwell just doesn't seem to be that player. I can't see him being as good as Carrick either, to be honest.

8th May 2012, 10:58	#1781 (permalink)
Fiskey Can't stop thinking about David Nugent's hot naked body Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,261	I still believe!

8th May 2012, 01:05	#1780 (permalink)
RDCR07 Not a bad guy (Whale Killer) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Special One on the Great One: "I don't call him Alex or Sir or Mister. I call him Boss!" Posts: 11,328	He needs to find a way to add more goals to his games, especially if he is going to play in midfield continually.