Juan Manuel Iturbe - the next Messi?

RDCR07 · 6th February 2011, 18:35

Fergie ready to swoop for Juan Manuel Iturbe - the next Lionel Messi - Football Hotline - Football - Sport - People.co.uk

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MANCHESTER UNITED boss Alex Ferguson is set to snatch the new Lionel Messi from under the noses of the world’s top clubs.

Argentinian wonder boy Juan Manuel Iturbe has been on European sides’ radar for two years despite being just 17.

As soon as he turns 18, Iturbe, in stature the image of Barcelona idol Messi, will sign for Porto, but insiders say his stay there will be a short one – with United ready to come calling as soon as he is acclimatised to European football.

Juventus, Napoli and Atletico Madrid have all offered him a contract so it was seen as something of a surprise when he chose Porto.

The reason, according to agents involved in the race, is that Porto and United have a close relationship and the player will be cleared to head to England as soon as Ferguson thinks he is ready.

Agent Gustavo Mascardi was in Portugal last month to sort out the fees involved in Iturbe’s transfer to Porto. The Portuguese giants are paying a fee of about £800,000 to be split by his former clubs Cerro Porteno of Paraguay and Quilmes of Argentina.

But there is also a signing-on fee for the player’s agent and family of about £400,000 – a clear signal of the kind of hot property Iturbe has become.

Although born in Argentina, Iturbe, seen by Fergie as a natural successor to Ryan Giggs, was raised in Paraguay where he played for top side Cerre Porteno.

With agents swirling around him, his family smuggled him back to Argentina but Cerro Porteno – fearing that he was being sold behind their backs – demanded that he be suspended for a year.

For months Iturbe was only allowed to train with Quilmes in Argentina but also turned out for his adopted country in internationals and dazzled despite a lack of match practice.

Iturbe had turned down Barcelona during his time in Paraguay but agent Mascardi offered his parents £1m to let him own his contract instead.

The deal has similarities with the controversial swoop for striker Bebe, who went from one Portuguese club to another when agent Jorge Mendes took control of his affairs – and then signed for United for £7m.

Insiders claim that Iturbe would cost United at least £10m when he moves, with the cash to be split between the player and the agents involved.

Mendes – also Cristiano Ronaldo’s agent – was the man who steered Brazilian Anderson from Porto to United. He was 18 when he joined the Portuguese side and played just a dozen times for them before moving.

Colin129 · 6th February 2011, 18:39

I'd rather we'd didn't spunk £10M on an unknown unproven player, we've got Bebe to sort out already thanks...If Porto are paying £1.2M, why is he suddenly worth £10M, his value doesn't suddenly go up 8 times? Why can't we just pay the £1.2M?

phelans shorts · 6th February 2011, 18:42

So we let him go to Porto for 800K on the basis that we will spend 10M on him?

Why not sign him for 800K and loan him to Porto?

Decotron · 6th February 2011, 18:43

RDCR07 · 6th February 2011, 18:43

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Originally Posted by phelans shorts

So we let him go to Porto for 800K on the basis that we will spend 10M on him?

Why not sign him for 800K and loan him to Porto?

I think Porto have already signed him. They are just waiting for him to turn 18, so he can move to Europe.

Silva · 6th February 2011, 18:44

This thread is useless without Youtube clips

RDCR07 · 6th February 2011, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Silva

This thread is useless without Youtube clips

I found a video for him. In that video, he is either really good or the defense just sucks. But he is pretty quick and regardless of the opposition, his finish was pretty good as well.

Devil may care · 6th February 2011, 18:51

The new Messi with the old Messi.

RDCR07 · 6th February 2011, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Devil may care

The new Messi with the old Messi.

Oh shit, they don't look alike. We have been screwed over.

Ole's_toe_poke · 6th February 2011, 18:53

New Messi. Messi is only 23. Old Messi will be around for a while yet.

phelans shorts · 6th February 2011, 18:53

He looks older than the real Messi

mexos · 6th February 2011, 19:00

Pardon my lack of enthusiasm, but no, he's probably not.

Ole's_toe_poke · 6th February 2011, 19:06

When was the last time in the last decade or so that the new (insert famous players name) turned out to be any good.

Devil may care · 6th February 2011, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

When was the last time in the last decade or so that the new (insert famous players name) turned out to be any good.

Messi as the "New Maradona"? Even though really they don't play that alike.

MikeUpNorth · 6th February 2011, 19:10

Nani as the new Ronaldo.

Ole's_toe_poke · 6th February 2011, 19:11

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Originally Posted by Devil may care

Messi as the "New Maradona"? Even though really they don't play that alike.

Yeah but Argentina have had about 20 "new Maradonas". One was bound to be good.

Brophs · 6th February 2011, 19:11

Perhaps this bloke could be the new, new Obertan then? Because some people have said he's the new Nani, and Bebe is next in line to be Obertan.

Elliott · 6th February 2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

I found a video for him. In that video, he is either really good or the defense just sucks. But he is pretty quick and regardless of the opposition, his finish was pretty good as well.

Why post a youtube when you can describe it?

SATA · 6th February 2011, 19:16

No thanks

We have Bebe who is the next Obertan

Lynk · 6th February 2011, 19:33

Pardon my rudeness, but where the fuck are the FM stats muppets?

Minkaro · 6th February 2011, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Lynk

Pardon my rudeness, but where the fuck are the FM stats muppets?

I did a search on FM, and he doesn't appear to exist.

Sorry guys, we're not signing him.

Arruda · 6th February 2011, 20:32

SiYuan · 6th February 2011, 20:38

Needs a name change

RedRover · 6th February 2011, 20:43

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Originally Posted by phelans shorts

So we let him go to Porto for 800K on the basis that we will spend 10M on him?

Why not sign him for 800K and loan him to Porto?

Bebe - available for next to nothing end of last season, signs for Portuguese club and United pay his £7 million buy out clause.

Madness.

Elliott · 6th February 2011, 21:33

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Originally Posted by SiYuan

Needs a name change

I like it. Fuck knows what a turbe is, but he sounds like a really cool, really unnecessary Apple gizmo.

RDCR07 · 6th February 2011, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Elliott

I like it. Fuck knows what a turbe is, but he sounds like a really cool, really unnecessary Apple gizmo.

No wonder he is quick. He has 'turbo' in his name.

Arruda · 7th February 2011, 04:16

Had another great game today, and scored the winner.

His goal at 8:50

Ringo 07 · 7th February 2011, 04:52

Argentina Under 20 vs Brazil Under 20 Report - Goal.com
Juan Iturbe's second half strike inspired Argentina to victory against big rivals Brazil, who could not overcome a resolute 'Albiceleste' defensive effort...

Another excellent goal from Juan Manuel Iturbe steered Argentina to a narrow 2-1 reverse of 10 man Brazil in the South American U20 Championships, inflicting the first defeat of the tournament on their biggest rivals and drawing level in the final group stage. Brazil had drawn level in the encounter with a storming long-range effort from Willian, after Rogelio Funes Mori's penalty had handed Argentina the lead in a gripping encounter in Peru.

Wary of the attacking threat posed by Brazilian prodigies Neymar, Lucas and Willian, Argentina coach Walter Perazzo hedged his bets with a team geared to nullify opponents in the middle. Rogelio Funes Mori started as a lone centre forward in a 4-5-1 set up, with last week's hero Juan Iturbe playing as the link between midfield and attack. Despite the cautious approach however the 'Albiceleste' wasted no time in getting on the scoresheet, thanks to a nightmare start from Brazil.

After seeing centre back Bruno Uvini taken to hospital in the first few minutes, the favourites were dealt a hammer blow when fellow defender Juan stupidly struck Funes Mori in the face as a cross came in. Referee Wilmar Rodan had no hesitation in calling for a penalty and red card, and 'El Mellizo' dusted himself off to convert the kick and notch his second goal of the competition.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 7th February 2011, 06:18

I don't know about being the next Messi. But he is the next intelligent dribbling wizard from Argentina. I would love this rumour to be true.

RedThaiDevils#7 · 7th February 2011, 07:09

Is it just me or does United have had terrible luck with Argentinians...

Arruda · 7th February 2011, 07:36

More specifically, what's the rumour anyway? That United is favoured by Porto in the case of a future transaction? If an hypothetical price hasn't been set then this is likely to not be different than any other transfers that we do. Porto would never sell a player with such potential for 10 million unless we were forced to agree to it beforehand in order to secure him playing for us for a very short term. Otherwise he'll likely approach Anderson's price in the near future, as long as his adaptation is without problems.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 7th February 2011, 07:50

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Originally Posted by Arruda

More specifically, what's the rumour anyway? That United is favoured by Porto in the case of a future transaction? If an hypothetical price hasn't been set then this is likely to not be different than any other transfers that we do. Porto would never sell a player with such potential for 10 million unless we were forced to agree to it beforehand in order to secure him playing for us for a very short term. Otherwise he'll likely approach Anderson's price in the near future, as long as his adaptation is without problems.

Personally I wouldn't care if he reached Carroll's price in a year. He'd be a worthy signing if he settled down in Europe.

Inigo Montoya · 7th February 2011, 09:13

Those first youtube clips have just showed what it's going to be like for West Ham fans at the new Olympic stadium.

As for Iturbe he does look the business but is it more than say Morrison can offer?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 7th February 2011, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Those first youtube clips have just showed what it's going to be like for West Ham fans at the new Olympic stadium.

As for Iturbe he does look the business but is it more than say Morrison can offer?

Who cares? I'd rather have both.

Robbie Boy · 7th February 2011, 09:17

Wasn't Cheyrou the next Zidane and Diao the next Vieira?

I hate the when players are dubbed 'the next ........'

Inigo Montoya · 7th February 2011, 09:17

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Who cares? I'd rather have both.

There is that of course

Inigo Montoya · 7th February 2011, 09:18

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Originally Posted by Robbie Boy

Wasn't Cheyrou the next Zidane and Diao the next Vieira?

I hate the when players are dubbed 'the next ........'

Conor Wickham the next Rooney

Robbie Boy · 7th February 2011, 09:22

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Conor Wickham the next Rooney

Nani the next Ronaldo

Inigo Montoya · 7th February 2011, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Robbie Boy

Nani the next Ronaldo

A tad unfair but at least he delivers, not Ronaldo level but he's scoring. Some of the others mentioned are just pants.....

Robbie Boy · 7th February 2011, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

A tad unfair but at least he delivers, not Ronaldo level but he's scoring. Some of the others mentioned are just pants.....

No Nani is quality, it is just another one of those 'the next .....' Why can't a player just be themselves

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6th February 2011, 18:39	#2 (permalink)
Colin129 First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Aliens are in control of my tagline & location, but they'll never take me alive! Posts: 10,824	I'd rather we'd didn't spunk £10M on an unknown unproven player, we've got Bebe to sort out already thanks...If Porto are paying £1.2M, why is he suddenly worth £10M, his value doesn't suddenly go up 8 times? Why can't we just pay the £1.2M?

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phelans shorts First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gaz. Is a Mewling Quim. Posts: 19,521	So we let him go to Porto for 800K on the basis that we will spend 10M on him? Why not sign him for 800K and loan him to Porto?

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Silva Sticky tip Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Its best if I don't tell you. Posts: 6,672	This thread is useless without Youtube clips

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Devil may care First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,328	The new Messi with the old Messi.

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Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 18,932	New Messi. Messi is only 23. Old Messi will be around for a while yet.

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phelans shorts First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gaz. Is a Mewling Quim. Posts: 19,521	He looks older than the real Messi

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mexos Academy player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,813	Pardon my lack of enthusiasm, but no, he's probably not.

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Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 18,932	When was the last time in the last decade or so that the new (insert famous players name) turned out to be any good.

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SATA Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: We all love United Posts: 4,623	No thanks We have Bebe who is the next Obertan

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Arruda Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Porto Posts: 3,099	Had another great game today, and scored the winner. His goal at 8:50

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Ringo 07 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: "Messi can do some amazing things, but anything he can do Joe can do as well, if not better," Steven Gerrard on Joe Cole Posts: 3,107	Argentina Under 20 vs Brazil Under 20 Report - Goal.com Juan Iturbe's second half strike inspired Argentina to victory against big rivals Brazil, who could not overcome a resolute 'Albiceleste' defensive effort... Another excellent goal from Juan Manuel Iturbe steered Argentina to a narrow 2-1 reverse of 10 man Brazil in the South American U20 Championships, inflicting the first defeat of the tournament on their biggest rivals and drawing level in the final group stage. Brazil had drawn level in the encounter with a storming long-range effort from Willian, after Rogelio Funes Mori's penalty had handed Argentina the lead in a gripping encounter in Peru. Wary of the attacking threat posed by Brazilian prodigies Neymar, Lucas and Willian, Argentina coach Walter Perazzo hedged his bets with a team geared to nullify opponents in the middle. Rogelio Funes Mori started as a lone centre forward in a 4-5-1 set up, with last week's hero Juan Iturbe playing as the link between midfield and attack. Despite the cautious approach however the 'Albiceleste' wasted no time in getting on the scoresheet, thanks to a nightmare start from Brazil. After seeing centre back Bruno Uvini taken to hospital in the first few minutes, the favourites were dealt a hammer blow when fellow defender Juan stupidly struck Funes Mori in the face as a cross came in. Referee Wilmar Rodan had no hesitation in calling for a penalty and red card, and 'El Mellizo' dusted himself off to convert the kick and notch his second goal of the competition.

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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Founder of IhateMakeleles.org and Gourcufffanboysareus.com Posts: 39,441	I don't know about being the next Messi. But he is the next intelligent dribbling wizard from Argentina. I would love this rumour to be true.

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Arruda Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Porto Posts: 3,099	More specifically, what's the rumour anyway? That United is favoured by Porto in the case of a future transaction? If an hypothetical price hasn't been set then this is likely to not be different than any other transfers that we do. Porto would never sell a player with such potential for 10 million unless we were forced to agree to it beforehand in order to secure him playing for us for a very short term. Otherwise he'll likely approach Anderson's price in the near future, as long as his adaptation is without problems.

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Inigo Montoya First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 7,009	Those first youtube clips have just showed what it's going to be like for West Ham fans at the new Olympic stadium. As for Iturbe he does look the business but is it more than say Morrison can offer?

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Robbie Boy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: No player in World football could score against Stoke on a wet Wednesday night at the Brittania. Posts: 1,911	Wasn't Cheyrou the next Zidane and Diao the next Vieira? I hate the when players are dubbed 'the next ........'