Manchester City defender Richards back on United list

Garethw · 12th May 2008, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Saq

The (Kieron) Richardsons.

Doevle · 12th May 2008, 20:39

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Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

Richards please. We need English players at the club.

Seconded

Dev · 12th May 2008, 23:17

I would love it if we signed him. He would fit in well and with Rio there to guide him he will turn out great at RB.

RedRover · 12th May 2008, 23:39

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Originally Posted by Domino

You're clearly thick. Why would Fergie throw Neville in at the deep-end when he has not even played a game for almost a year?

Thick am I?

We've been told time and again that Neville is near match fit and the last report had him playing a full game for the reserves - yet he hasn't even been getting five minutes off the bench - which incidentaly would give him the match fitness he would need should he have been required for the league run in - or indeed even the Champions League final.

Gary Neville is arguably the best full right back in the country - if he'd been fit enough to play any part Fergie would have given him the chance and you're thick to think otherwise.

Cal? · 12th May 2008, 23:39

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Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

Richards please. We need English players at the club.

We have plenty of English players at the club and the only two not at United who are anywhere near good enough are not available.

RedRover · 12th May 2008, 23:42

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Because Brown has earnt himself a new contract playing in that position all season, Hargreaves has had great performances in that position against Barcelona and SAF has said that Neville will be first choice next season.

We arent signing Lahm this year - as much as I'd love it. And Richards is a CB.

If you think hargreaves will ever be a fixture at right back you're mad. he was bought as a midfielder and thats where he'll play.

As for Brown - he's had a good season but if even he thought he'd be a shoe in for right back in the long term it wouldn't have taken this long to get him to sign a new deal.

Pscholes18 · 13th May 2008, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Trippin_Stoned

I'd like to get Richards. With the turmoil at Man City at the moment it could be a possibility. As long as they don't ask for silly money, which they will do most likely.

and he is English.

Plechazunga · 13th May 2008, 00:27

Richards is fecking great, but he's a centre-half... we've already got Vidic, so a big-money signing there makes no sense

As right-back he's not what we need, we need someone cleverer on the ball. Lahm would be ideal.

RedThaiDevils#7 · 13th May 2008, 04:36

I'd rather discuss Brown Vs Richards at RB and my opinion is that if we sign Richards we'd get the same type of RB that we don't need. Richards has got the energy and strength but what good does he offer in attack ? I've only rated his defense qualities and to me Brown is the same. If we're gonna fork out 20m on a RB I'd rather get a 20m++ rated striker who won't be injury prone like Saha.

Options in RB
Gary : Back from injury, still our captain. Let's see if he recovers in preseason.
Brown : Solid in defense but still can be outdone by pacey wingers. Still a very good choice in RB. Impressed by him this season.
Sheasy : Our versitile defender, WILL get the job done.
Hargreaves : DM RB, he's crosses are sublime and he could easily be England's first choice RB, BUT he's DM are complete and essential. Play him RB if we're gonna use Scholes and Carrick in CM.
Simpson : Hopefully he'll show a glimpse of what he can do.

New 20m RB: I'd go for a prospect under 10m IF we're really gonna buy one.

devilish · 13th May 2008, 04:49

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Originally Posted by RedThaiDevils#7

I'd rather discuss Brown Vs Richards at RB and my opinion is that if we sign Richards we'd get the same type of RB that we don't need. Richards has got the energy and strength but what good does he offer in attack ? I've only rated his defense qualities and to me Brown is the same. If we're gonna fork out 20m on a RB I'd rather get a 20m++ rated striker who won't be injury prone like Saha.

Options in RB
Gary : Back from injury, still our captain. Let's see if he recovers in preseason.
Brown : Solid in defense but still can be outdone by pacey wingers. Still a very good choice in RB. Impressed by him this season.
Sheasy : Our versitile defender, WILL get the job done.
Hargreaves : DM RB, he's crosses are sublime and he could easily be England's first choice RB, BUT he's DM are complete and essential. Play him RB if we're gonna use Scholes and Carrick in CM.
Simpson : Hopefully he'll show a glimpse of what he can do.

New 20m RB: I'd go for a prospect under 10m IF we're really gonna buy one.

From all the players you mentioned, only Brown and Gary can do the job in every circumstances. Thats the important bit because injuries crop out not before a league cup tie against Torquay United (in that case Simpson or Sheasy would do just fine) but at the later stage of the league, when fatigue starts taking over and players start losing form. Would you rely on Simpson against Barcelona in a CL semi final tie? I wouldnt

Hargreaves is a defensive midfielder. Its nice to know that he can give us options but he should be utilised there.

RedThaiDevils#7 · 13th May 2008, 07:41

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Originally Posted by devilish

From all the players you mentioned, only Brown and Gary can do the job in every circumstances. Thats the important bit because injuries crop out not before a league cup tie against Torquay United (in that case Simpson or Sheasy would do just fine) but at the later stage of the league, when fatigue starts taking over and players start losing form. Would you rely on Simpson against Barcelona in a CL semi final tie? I wouldnt

Hargreaves is a defensive midfielder. Its nice to know that he can give us options but he should be utilised there.

For me Sheasy would get the job done. I won't spend 20m for someone who is not going to boister our champions league hope. Richards is a good CB young has strength has some potential but he is no RB compared to Nev.

For 20m we could have gotten 5 evra's. Hope Fergie is going to surprise us with the new RB not someone who's 20m.

Richards is an okay deal for a CB who can convert to RB and for 20m he's okay but if it means we're going to fork the whole transfer kit for him and get a low class striker I'd put my money on a new No.9 who we were lacking MOST this season.

BTW who is Saha ?

Collina · 13th May 2008, 08:34

I don't think we'll buy a right back, Fergie said that Neville are the first choice right back next season.

And oh yeah, Richards is a cnut.

FranklyVulgar · 13th May 2008, 09:17

Why would you want Richards?

nothing player.

devilish · 13th May 2008, 09:58

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Originally Posted by RedThaiDevils#7

For me Sheasy would get the job done. I won't spend 20m for someone who is not going to boister our champions league hope. Richards is a good CB young has strength has some potential but he is no RB compared to Nev.

For 20m we could have gotten 5 evra's. Hope Fergie is going to surprise us with the new RB not someone who's 20m.

Richards is an okay deal for a CB who can convert to RB and for 20m he's okay but if it means we're going to fork the whole transfer kit for him and get a low class striker I'd put my money on a new No.9 who we were lacking MOST this season.

BTW who is Saha ?

At his age Gaz wasnt even near to Richards level. In my opinion if the price is right than we should get him. The boy has 13 good years left in him, he can cover both the right and central back positions well, he covers great aerial cover (ive always feel that we are shaky against two tall strikers) he is English and he can only improve. Regarding Evra, well he wanted to leave and we got him at a good price. Its not as if you will find bargains like that, that often.

ciderman9000000 · 13th May 2008, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Because Brown has earnt himself a new contract playing in that position all season, Hargreaves has had great performances in that position against Barcelona and SAF has said that Neville will be first choice next season.

We arent signing Lahm this year - as much as I'd love it. And Richards is a CB.

Brown, though a decent fullback, is a player who's replacement will strengthen the team. There are many better fullbacks out there and SAF will not think twice about bringing them in if he thinks the team will improve as a result. Brown has earned himself a new contract, but, with his poor attacking abilities, he's far from made the right-back position his own.

As for Hargreaves- he's a midfielder ffs, yes he played a couple of good games at right back when Vidic was out, but that doesn't mean he should take the position permanently.

It's all well and good SAF saying that Neville will be first choice next season, but he knows that that's a big leap of faith on a player who's missed 14 months of football due to reoccurring injury.

IMO we'll get a pacy new right-back this summer who can attack as well as defend, and we'll be willing to pay big for him.

Amir · 13th May 2008, 11:21

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Originally Posted by RedRover

We've been told time and again that Neville is near match fit and the last report had him playing a full game for the reserves - yet he hasn't even been getting five minutes off the bench - which incidentaly would give him the match fitness he would need should he have been required for the league run in - or indeed even the Champions League final.

Gary Neville is arguably the best full right back in the country - if he'd been fit enough to play any part Fergie would have given him the chance and you're thick to think otherwise.

He was fit enough to play, but by the time it happened just about every match was a cup final and we couldn't take a risk with a player who hasn't played in anything but reserve level for a year. It doesn't matter how good he is, he still needed time to readjust, and we just couldn't give him that time with the stakes so high and the margins so narrow.

Garethw · 13th May 2008, 11:30

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Originally Posted by ciderman9000000

Brown, though a decent fullback, is a player who's replacement will strengthen the team. There are many better fullbacks out there and SAF will not think twice about bringing them in if he thinks the team will improve as a result. Brown has earned himself a new contract, but, with his poor attacking abilities, he's far from made the right-back position his own.

As for Hargreaves- he's a midfielder ffs, yes he played a couple of good games at right back when Vidic was out, but that doesn't mean he should take the position permanently.

It's all well and good SAF saying that Neville will be first choice next season, but he knows that that's a big leap of faith on a player who's missed 14 months of football due to reoccurring injury.

IMO we'll get a pacy new right-back this summer who can attack as well as defend, and we'll be willing to pay big for him.

Sky Sports News is linking us with a 30 million double brazillian swoop for Luis Fabiano and Dani Alves.

Floyd · 13th May 2008, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Garethw

Sky Sports News is linking us with a 30 million double brazillian swoop for Luis Fabiano and Dani Alves.

Dani Alves is everything Richards isn't and vice versa.

I'd prefer Richards.

giggs-beckham · 13th May 2008, 15:18

We dont need a right back.

Lot 49 · 13th May 2008, 15:46

Would be an excellent signing.

RedRover · 13th May 2008, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Amir

He was fit enough to play, but by the time it happened just about every match was a cup final and we couldn't take a risk with a player who hasn't played in anything but reserve level for a year. It doesn't matter how good he is, he still needed time to readjust, and we just couldn't give him that time with the stakes so high and the margins so narrow.

Rubbish.

The fact that every game was so important would only serve to increase fergie's desire to have Neville play a part in the run in.

No game is that much of a cup final that you cant afford to have a player of Neville's quality on the bench - you've got four other subs to use if required.

gary neville would have wanted to be involved and I'm certain that if fit then Fergie would have given him time off the bench in case he was called upon in the run in. That hasn;t happened so we can only assume that he is not fit enough to play first team standard.

Besides - if united had no intention of "taking the risk" why play him at reserve level - why not tell him to rest up until the end of the season and get fit in the summer?

Looking at the current situation it doesn't look that good for Neville - a year out with the same niggling injuries at his age isn't promising.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 13th May 2008, 23:39

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Richards is fecking great, but he's a centre-half... we've already got Vidic, so a big-money signing there makes no sense

As right-back he's not what we need, we need someone cleverer on the ball. Lahm would be ideal.

Richards is young enough and talented enough to b moulded into the best right back in the business

VoetbalWizard · 13th May 2008, 23:49

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Richards is young enough and talented enough to b moulded into the best right back in the business

this is true. i see sergio ramos and figure that richards can be atleast 85% of that player but with enhanced strength and pace.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 13th May 2008, 23:51

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

this is true. i see sergio ramos and figure that richards can be atleast 85% of that player but with enhanced strength and pace.

Precisely. Talents like Ramos and Richards are an absolute waste at Center back IMO. Their talents are best used in attacking fullback roles, long term, Roberto Carlos style.

KeyserSoze · 13th May 2008, 23:53

Richards has only played centre back for one full year and has played right back all the rest of the time. Im sure he could switch back it is not as if he is a ten year veteran in the position. From what i have seen he is continually out of position when there and uses his pace and strength to bail himself out anyway.

VoetbalWizard · 13th May 2008, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Precisely. Talents like Ramos and Richards are an absolute waste at Center back IMO

eh i don't know if i'd go that far. when ramos and richards develop more experience and had more pure technical ability, i'd rather have them play in the middle like beckenbauer.

you can't tell me beckenbauer would've been more useful out wide.

VoetbalWizard · 13th May 2008, 23:58

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Originally Posted by Keyzer Soze

Richards has only played centre back for one full year and has played right back all the rest of the time. Im sure he could switch back it is not as if he is a ten year veteran in the position. From what i have seen he is continually out of position when there and uses his pace and strength to bail himself out anyway.

yes and since that is the case, its better to keep him at RB.

though none of us have asked him directly what he wants. im a firm believer that if a player truely wants to be in a different position, that he'll ultimately be unhappy at the end or complain about it enough that you'll have to start accomdating him or sell him.

then again someone like fergie and a club like utd, richards might love to play anywhere to break into the first XI.

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Dev Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Posts: 2,078	I would love it if we signed him. He would fit in well and with Rio there to guide him he will turn out great at RB.

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Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint and chairs are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the principality is chief executive of David evroshampiona Gil. Posts: 49,627	Richards is fecking great, but he's a centre-half... we've already got Vidic, so a big-money signing there makes no sense As right-back he's not what we need, we need someone cleverer on the ball. Lahm would be ideal.

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RedThaiDevils#7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: THAILAND Posts: 865	I'd rather discuss Brown Vs Richards at RB and my opinion is that if we sign Richards we'd get the same type of RB that we don't need. Richards has got the energy and strength but what good does he offer in attack ? I've only rated his defense qualities and to me Brown is the same. If we're gonna fork out 20m on a RB I'd rather get a 20m++ rated striker who won't be injury prone like Saha. Options in RB Gary : Back from injury, still our captain. Let's see if he recovers in preseason. Brown : Solid in defense but still can be outdone by pacey wingers. Still a very good choice in RB. Impressed by him this season. Sheasy : Our versitile defender, WILL get the job done. Hargreaves : DM RB, he's crosses are sublime and he could easily be England's first choice RB, BUT he's DM are complete and essential. Play him RB if we're gonna use Scholes and Carrick in CM. Simpson : Hopefully he'll show a glimpse of what he can do. New 20m RB: I'd go for a prospect under 10m IF we're really gonna buy one.

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Collina Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: I drink my milk with tabasco Posts: 1,266	I don't think we'll buy a right back, Fergie said that Neville are the first choice right back next season. And oh yeah, Richards is a cnut.

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FranklyVulgar Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In amoungst the pigs raising hell Posts: 1,868	Why would you want Richards? nothing player.

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KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,696	Richards has only played centre back for one full year and has played right back all the rest of the time. Im sure he could switch back it is not as if he is a ten year veteran in the position. From what i have seen he is continually out of position when there and uses his pace and strength to bail himself out anyway.

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