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Desperately wants to be a Muppet
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Location: Asagan and SagatX destroyed, now worship COX!
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Zorc sporting director.
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#885 (permalink) |
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Formerly MST3K
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: "Sometimes you're not sure about a player," Ferguson says. "Sometimes you doubt. Sometimes you have to guess. Sometimes..." he waves an arm in the direction of the 18-year-old Rafael, "you just know."
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Next season Dortmund could line up with Götze, Kagawa and Reus
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Desperately wants to be a Muppet
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Asagan and SagatX destroyed, now worship COX!
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Caughtoffside this morning
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#892 (permalink) |
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loco
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Keep a clean shit tomorrow, United is my final bus stop
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We probably did try, perhaps not for Gotze but maybe for other players. We didn't get where we are today by sitting on our backsides and not looking to improve. In fact, I wouldn't even be surprised in the slightest if we've lined up a deal or two for the summer.
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I suffer delusions of grandeur
Join Date: Nov 2002
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I'd sign the lad in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately he is Madrid/City/Chelsea bound I would fear. They'll offer the big money and the stupid wages. |
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#897 (permalink) |
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I suffer delusions of grandeur
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The announcer and referee of Gaz Vs DJS the meet!
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Another club who can throw money around if they so choose.
We go in and offer 25 million for the lad, they say no. We offer 30 odd they say no. We offer 32....city come in and say here's 40 and we'll give you 200 grand a week. Madrid offer similar, as to Chelsea say. We can't match that. |
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#898 (permalink) |
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Off his rocker
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Manchester City
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Chelsea or City ain't gonna be offering anyone £200k a week in wages anymore.
Glenn Moore: Financial Fair Play faces its first test as big spenders enter the transfer window - News & Comment - Football - The Independent |
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Clueless
Join Date: Sep 2007
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25m + Anderson. I think alot of us would be happy with that. |
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Reserve Team Player
Join Date: Jun 2010
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If Chelsea miss out on the Champions League this year I fully expect them to invest 9 figures in the Summer. Everyone can see by the City sponsorship deal that (still) doesn't seem to have been struck off that there are relatively simple ways to bend the rules. |
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Reserve Team Player
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Widnes
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I'm not sure thats a big offer, wasn't Anderson considered to be one of worlds top young talents at the same age? this Gotze could easily go the same way (good but not as good as people making out). I'm not saying we shouldn't go for him as I personally haven't seen enough of him to say we should throw Anderson on top of a £25m bid. But then I only watch the occasional Bundesliga match.
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Off his rocker
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Manchester City
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Hence the massive investments of the last few years; they did what was needed, threw caution to the wind and got themselves to a competitive level. Now they're having to pay the price of their goldrush tactics, they cannot avoid the FFP regulations anymore, they've reached the top and have met with the ever impending regulatory resistance from FIFA; they cannot go any further. As is well known, City must now slash their wage bills before they can buy, and they have to slash them considerably, and when they do buy they have to be far more shrewd than they have been thus far. Whether they can slash those bills at will is the big question; you say that all they need do is sell Bridge, Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Weiss, Boyata, Tevez, Onouha & Savic, well that's easier said than done when those players are on contract and earning City's silly money; who's gonna make the move worth their while, from a players' perspective I mean, they're hardly a world beating bunch of superstars. Even if City manage to offload their collection of overpaid, overpriced deadwood, will it be enough? The figures suggest not. Even without buying in replacements for the above job-lot, City will be struggling to meet the conditions of the new regulations; suggestions of City ignoring the regulations or getting around them through in-house sponsorship deals are wide of the mark, the regulations are supported with suitable legislature as to render such tactics almost entirely futile; they may be able to squeeze a few £million past the prying eyes of the independent commission employed to ensure that no income is being declared from dubious sources above market value, but it won't be enough to make any discernable difference to their massive losses if they continue in the same vein as they have been these last few seasons. City's spending has reached its apex and will now be forcibly curtailed, or else they will not be eligible for European competition, in which case they'd not really be considered a proper football team at all, they'd be nothing more than a bunch of overpaid mercenary clowns who're not allowed to play with the real teams. Such is the way of things. |
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Not a bad guy (Whale Killer)
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I agree money plays a part but I think you also have to look at where you have more chances of winning trophies. Its not that we can't match Chelsea by paying £150,000 a week but I think we choose not to. I know we also have a limit as to how much we can pay but as Fergie said before the Glazers are willing to give if he needs it. But if we and Madrid compete, we know who he is going to pick but if he chooses England, then it will be tight battle as to who will get him.
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Formerly MST3K
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: "Sometimes you're not sure about a player," Ferguson says. "Sometimes you doubt. Sometimes you have to guess. Sometimes..." he waves an arm in the direction of the 18-year-old Rafael, "you just know."
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Reserve Team Player
Join Date: Jun 2010
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2) Why is this well known, because of the regulations that do not even slightly concern them? I'd personally say that all evidence points to them not caring about slashing their wage bill, they'd have paid up Bridge's etc contract if that were the case. 3) I didn't say they needed to sell any of these players at all, they could merely pay up all there contracts and their wage bill would be slashed. Sure their capital expenditure would be high for one season, but again this would not only help trying to illustrate a "positive trend", but also be seen as exceptional expenditure. 4) As I have stated, they do not care if this is "enough", shown by paying Nasri £160+k for warming the bench and Hargreaves probably a fair whack for no other reason than to show they can. If the Regs have any bite whatsoever (in 10-12 years once all the marshmellowy "positive trend" etc BS is over), their policy of achieving overpriced sponsorship deals from Arab companies will see them over the line. 5) Around 75% of their c. £60m commercial revenue comes from Abu Dhabi companies. This isn't "sqeezing a few £m", this is the vast majority. If it carries on increasing year on year at a rate anywhere near what it has been I'm sure they will comfortably be at £100m+ revenue from commercial operations within a year of 12/13. Either Uefa's learned lawyers are just taking an exceptional amount of time to write off the majority of income from the Etihad deal, or they have given the green light for City to continue. I think c. £7m annually from Abu Dhabi tourism is a brilliant deal for both parties! 6) Again all evidence suggests that City do not believe in the foreseeable future that anyone is going to ban them from the Champions League. I believe they feel quite comfortable that the regulations aren't going to seriously effect anyone for some years (after all regulatory periods) and by the time they do (if they do) they will have comfortably sorted their Abu Dhabi based income to cover it. |
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Not a bad guy (Whale Killer)
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Borussia Dortmund's Mario Gotze targets starting spot for Germany in Euro 2012 - Goal.com
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Location: I've dealt with RiP being injured for 8 seasons - it's your problem now.
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First Team Sub
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: New Delhi
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I got afellay for 6mil as he was transfer listed at the end of the first season and got rossi in jan because both berba and welbeck got long term injuries which left me with just 2 strikers. Other than that, didnt make any signings till i got martinez and gotze to replace the ageing players.
anways, going really off topic here. |
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First Team Sub
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Dortmund, Germany
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@ RDCR07
Götze is back from injury. He played in the Winter's Cup for Dortmund on Sunday, where they lost to Düsseldorf on penalties (he missed his) but beat Bremen 1-0 in the match for 3rd place. Apart from that, there is daily speculation about him, one day it's about him extending his contract, the other day he is quoted that he could leave once it runs out.. Annoying really. |
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