Matthew Upson

Jason F · 5th May 2004, 13:35

Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth.

Kop in for Upson
By PAT SHEEHAN

GERARD HOULLIER wants Birmingham’s Matthew Upson to prop up his ageing Anfield defence.

The Liverpool boss has had centre-half Upson under almost constant scrutiny as he looks to replace Sami Hyypia and Stephane Henchoz.

Swiss defender Henchoz, 29, has struggled to maintain the high standards demanded at Anfield this season while Hyypia, 30, has had his lack of pace exposed several times.

Upson, 24, who moved to St Andrew’s from Arsenal, will cost Houllier around £5million.

He was surprisingly shipped out of Highbury by boss Arsene Wenger, who now insists he should definitely be part of England’s Euro 2004 squad.

Upson is among the fastest defenders in the Premiership and one of Europe’s few naturally left-footed centre-backs.

Birmingham have Upson under contract for the next two seasons and manager Steve Bruce will fight hard to keep him.

But Bruce, who moved from Norwich to Manchester United during his playing career, knows only too well it is almost impossible for a player to resist the pull of one of the big five clubs.

Upson won two championship medals while at Highbury and was the first English player bought by Wenger when he arrived from Luton in 1997 for £2m.

He was reluctant to leave the Gunners but found it difficult to hold down a first-team place after suffering knee ligament damage and then a broken leg.

But Upson, who has played six times for England, battled back successfully from those injuries and jumped at the chance to play regular football at Blues.

Upson earns around £18,000 a week and a move to the Kop would almost certainly double his money.

Liverpool forward Vladimir Smicer fears he could miss Euro 2004 after a scan revealed he suffered cartilage damage during Sunday’s 2-0 win against Middlesbrough.

The Czech Republic striker has endured an injury-wrecked season and had only just returned from a three-month lay-off with an Achilles problem.

Smicer lasted just 45 minutes against Boro. If his injury requires surgery, it will be touch and go whether he will be fit for the European Championships that kick off in Portugal on June 12.

An Extremely Boring Man · 5th May 2004, 13:38

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Originally Posted by Jason F

Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth.

Why, when we have four relatively young and good centrebacks in Borwn, Rio, Mickey and O'Shea, and with McShane Spector coming through, would you even entertain the thought of signing Upson?

a_devil_inside · 5th May 2004, 14:46

United need to buy world class players this year, not just regular players

thewelshconjurer · 5th May 2004, 15:03

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Originally Posted by a_devil_inside

United need to buy world class players this year, not just regular players

yeah, 11 of them Einstein ?

An Extremely Boring Man · 5th May 2004, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_devil_inside

United need to buy world class players this year, not just regular players

Define a world class player

a_devil_inside · 5th May 2004, 15:28

somebody who will have a huge impact on games.
Other players / fans would admire them greatly

What I was trying to say before was we don't need anymore squad players, we bought enough of them already

LenSharkey · 5th May 2004, 15:52

Upson wouldnt strengthen the first choice 11, which is the calibre of player we need if we're to buy at all this summer.

devilish · 5th May 2004, 15:55

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Originally Posted by a_devil_inside

somebody who will have a huge impact on games.
Other players / fans would admire them greatly

What I was trying to say before was we don't need anymore squad players, we bought enough of them already

One advice

When Boring ask you to define a world class player

DONT DO IT!

Youre declaring war with him by doing so, a war that you will never win as Boring HATES discussion.

Leave him in his perfect world and his perfect team made up of 11 Matthew Taylors backed by 11 Quinton Fortunes. Dont mess with his dream or else we can forget of having a good discussion in this CAF for a long long time

CubanCigar · 5th May 2004, 15:59

One of the most annoying things:

What about this player.. what about that player...

grow the fuck up, watch a player (note: more than 1 match), evaluate him, consider his place in our team, consider our needs.. and about a million other reasons before you throw stupid suggestions up in the air..

"Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth."

That qualifies a million people and serves to aggravate the hell out of me.

Fuck off.

An Extremely Boring Man · 5th May 2004, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilish

One advice

When Boring ask you to define a world class player

DONT DO IT!

Youre declaring war with him by doing so, a war that you will never win as Boring HATES discussion.

Leave him in his perfect world and his perfect team made up of 11 Matthew Taylors backed by 11 Quinton Fortunes. Dont mess with his dream or else we can forget of having a good discussion in this CAF for a long long time

What a wasted post....

If I wanted 11 Quinton Fortunes in the squad, why would I suggest we sell the one Quinton Fortune we already have?

You're as clueless as ever.

Now, go back to work in that Internet cafe...

5th May 2004, 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_devil_inside

United need to buy world class players this year, not just regular players

Not in defence though, there's very little wrong with it.

devilish · 5th May 2004, 16:03

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

What a wasted post....

If I wanted 11 Quinton Fortunes in the squad, why would I suggest we sell the one Quinton Fortune we already have?

You're as clueless as ever.

Now, go back to work in that Internet cafe...

A classical example of an Extremely Boring Man's post

1)Boring

2)filled with insults

3) And with no space to discussion

Werent you suppose not to talk to me anymore or one of your insiders had told you not to do so?

LenSharkey · 5th May 2004, 16:04

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Originally Posted by devilish

One advice..blah de bleedin blah..ad infinitum..

are you capable of serious discussion without injecting your snidey remarks into any given thread? for fucks sake man.

An Extremely Boring Man · 5th May 2004, 16:07

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Originally Posted by devilish

Werent you suppose not to talk to me anymore or one of your insiders had told you not to do so?

What are you on about?

devilish · 5th May 2004, 16:08

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Originally Posted by LenSharkey

are you capable of serious discussion without injecting your snidey remarks into any given thread? for fucks sake man.

My idea was to prevent another endless war Lens. Thats all.

Returning to the subject. I dont think that we need Matthew Upson. He is a very promising defender but what we need is a leader.

MrMarcello · 5th May 2004, 16:09

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Originally Posted by WeasteDevil

Not in defence though, there's very little wrong with it.

I wouldn't mind adding a quality LB like Evra or world class CD like Ayala or Mexes and see Micky move to LB, where he would become world class soon.

Gaz--Rio--Ayala/Mexes--Micky (I've given up on Samuel...he's going to be with Chelsea most likely)

That is a quality back four, rivaling any other. Micky has performed solidly in CD, but I still feel the CD needs a hardman, a leader. If Keane would move to CD, that would solve the need for a adding a defender for one or two seasons and give the back line a true leader. It would also allow Spector to be groomed by Keane, and O'Shea would provide depth at CD and LB, with Brown at CD and RB. Also would have Phil and Fortune as cover when injuries/suspensions occur.

5th May 2004, 16:11

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

I wouldn't mind adding a quality LB like Evra or world class CD like Ayala or Mexes and see Micky move to LB, where he would become world class soon.

I just think that it can wait if money is not available for it. There are more pressing concerns at the moment.

MrMarcello · 5th May 2004, 16:17

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Originally Posted by WeasteDevil

I just think that it can wait if money is not available for it. There are more pressing concerns at the moment.

I agree that a defender is like 3rd or 4th option this summer. An attacking flair type player is my top option (VDV, Rooney, Torres). Followed by a successor/immediate fill for Keane (Alonso, Baraja, Davids). After that, a winger to shadow Giggs would be nice (Beasley).

Also, bringing Queiroz back is a top goal too...or finding a bonafide #2 if he goes elsewhere.

I also feel that Keane dropping to CD is a fairytale most likely, but it would extend his career another year and he could still take a match off here and there with Wes and JOS as cover. Also, by not bringing in a new CD that may not adapt quickly, Keane would step right in and marshall the defense and not miss a beat. Then having a Baraja or Alonso in Keane's old spot would make the side much better, IMO.

An Extremely Boring Man · 5th May 2004, 16:20

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

I agree that a defender is like 3rd or 4th option this summer. An attacking flair type player is my top option (VDV, Rooney, Torres). Followed by a successor/immediate fill for Keane (Alonso, Baraja, Davids). After that, a winger to shadow Giggs would be nice (Beasley).

van der Vaart is not coming to United (not even sure if we've ever been in for him).

Rooney is probably unlikely.

I cannot see us buying Torres, unless someone we don't want to sell is sold...

Alonso has as good as signed for Real Madrid.

Baraja won't be signed.

Davids has more or less agreed a deal with Barca.

MrMarcello · 5th May 2004, 16:22

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

van der Vaart is not coming to United (not even sure if we've ever been in for him).

Rooney is probably unlikely.

I cannot see us buying Torres, unless someone we don't want to sell is sold...

Alonso has as good as signed for Real Madrid.

Baraja won't be signed.

Davids has more or less agreed a deal with Barca.

You should change your name to An Extremely Pessimistic Man, despite how true those sentences may be.

An Extremely Boring Man · 5th May 2004, 16:29

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

You should change your name to An Extremely Pessimistic Man, despite how true those sentences may be.

Nah, you're wrong, I'm a very optimistic person. But I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land.

Jason F · 6th May 2004, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubanCigar

One of the most annoying things:

What about this player.. what about that player...

grow the fuck up, watch a player (note: more than 1 match), evaluate him, consider his place in our team, consider our needs.. and about a million other reasons before you throw stupid suggestions up in the air..

"Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth."

That qualifies a million people and serves to aggravate the hell out of me.

Fuck off.

Point one: Its a discussion board regarding transfers so get the cock outta of your arse before you complain about people suggesting players and if you dont want to read it fuck the hell off!.

Point two: I am considering Upson since watching him playing for Arsenal and his recent performances for Birmingham city.

Point three: Uniteds defence has been piss weak at times, Brown doesnt always cut it and anyone rating Brown higher than Upson is blind. Brown has some good games and I like the guy but he lacks consistancy. EG place in team

Point four: Rio is suspended and our defence lacks depth which Upson provides. eg Need

point five: Upson is fast, solid and fits the United mould and would develop even further at a club like United.

Point six: He is English and plays at a high standard EG International, unlike a million other people who you claim are eligible and the fact that I have to point that out clearly indicates you are very slow individual.

Basically put, your post is irrevelant bollocks, not unlike yourself really.

CubanCigar · 12th May 2004, 15:05

"Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth."

VS

6 somewhat detailed points regarding why Upson would be a good signing.

Maybe you should have documented some evalutive reasoning and a sound proposition before --like when you actually made the post. You throw a one-liner up in the air and expect me not to say anything? I like to see real argument. An opinion formulated through methodical and systematic reasoning --a real opinion.

You failed to deliver that and that pissed me right off. Your opening post could and should have delivered more than, 'ooh just a quick thought..". Never had a problem with people suggesting transfer, hell why would I? But yeah when they are isolated points which lack directive, then yeah i sart to pout.

Jason F · 12th May 2004, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubanCigar

"Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth."

VS

6 somewhat detailed points regarding why Upson would be a good signing.

Maybe you should have documented some evalutive reasoning and a sound proposition before --like when you actually made the post. You throw a one-liner up in the air and expect me not to say anything? I like to see real argument. An opinion formulated through methodical and systematic reasoning --a real opinion.

You failed to deliver that and that pissed me right off. Your opening post could and should have delivered more than, 'ooh just a quick thought..". Never had a problem with people suggesting transfer, hell why would I? But yeah when they are isolated points which lack directive, then yeah i sart to pout.

Fair enough I guess, I do see your point when people just throw names up in the air. I knew what I was thinking though!

redspoony · 1st November 2011, 09:56

Just met Upson in the lift - he lives in one of the penthouse suites in my building. Nice fella.

Also met Christian Karembeau in the departures lounge at Birmingham airport last week.

I'm always right · 1st November 2011, 10:00

Stop name dropping you gayer

Solius · 1st November 2011, 10:02

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

Why, when we have four relatively young and good centrebacks in Borwn, Rio, Mickey and O'Shea, and with McShane Spector coming through, would you even entertain the thought of signing Upson?

*shudder*

redspoony · 1st November 2011, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Sharky7

Stop name dropping you gayer

I'm always right · 1st November 2011, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solius

*shudder*

Sewelly The Geordie · 1st November 2011, 10:27

McShane and Spector!

Sean_RedDevil · 7th February 2012, 16:16

Shanghai Shenhua in talks over Stoke defender Matthew Upson

Apparently the honeymoon between Pulis and Upson is over, i've heard a lot of people are surprised that Upson hasn't left Stoke in January.

ciderman9000000 · 7th February 2012, 17:57

Eight year bump. Just start a new thread, you jommo.

BaldwinLegend · 7th February 2012, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood

Stop name dropping you gayer

I saw Robert Pires in Hampstead last week.

Brophs · 7th February 2012, 18:26

I remember someone saying last summer that we should replace Ferdinand with Upson.

Successful · 7th February 2012, 18:28

Just unreal how bad advice some players get from their men in charge. I just cannot imagine anything worse than having to play in China - no matter what the money are. I would even start playing with a local pub team rather than sinking to that sort of level.

Gazza · 8th February 2012, 03:02

This thread is worth a bump just because it shows devilish was a thread-diverting, cretinous twat-urchin even back in the day

Sewelly The Geordie · 8th February 2012, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Successful

Just unreal how bad advice some players get from their men in charge. I just cannot imagine anything worse than having to play in China - no matter what the money are. I would even start playing with a local pub team rather than sinking to that sort of level.

I could think of a lot of things worse than living in a fantastic city like Shanghai and playing football for massive amounts of money.

africanspur · 8th February 2012, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Successful

Just unreal how bad advice some players get from their men in charge. I just cannot imagine anything worse than having to play in China - no matter what the money are. I would even start playing with a local pub team rather than sinking to that sort of level.

Really? Live in one of the great cities of the world, in one of the most ancient and interesting countries, learning a completely new culture and in the process earning extortionate amounts of money? Its not like he's been playing at a top level either and then dropping down. He's an average centreback, playing at an average club, in a grim, grim city.

Personally, if I was a footballer, especially one as average as Upson, I would jump at the opportunity to play and live around the world.

LLMU · 8th February 2012, 09:38

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Originally Posted by africanspur

Really? Live in one of the great cities of the world, in one of the most ancient and interesting countries, learning a completely new culture and in the process earning extortionate amounts of money? Its not like he's been playing at a top level either and then dropping down. He's an average centreback, playing at an average club, in a grim, grim city.

Personally, if I was a footballer, especially one as average as Upson, I would jump at the opportunity to play and live around the world.

second this .. why would he not jump at this chance for the remaining years of his career. and shanghai is not exactly third world

cesc's_mullet · 9th February 2012, 01:37

What africanspur said, he'd be stupid not to!

5th May 2004, 13:35	#1 (permalink)
Jason F Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,392	Matthew Upson Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth. Kop in for Upson By PAT SHEEHAN GERARD HOULLIER wants Birmingham’s Matthew Upson to prop up his ageing Anfield defence. The Liverpool boss has had centre-half Upson under almost constant scrutiny as he looks to replace Sami Hyypia and Stephane Henchoz. Swiss defender Henchoz, 29, has struggled to maintain the high standards demanded at Anfield this season while Hyypia, 30, has had his lack of pace exposed several times. Upson, 24, who moved to St Andrew’s from Arsenal, will cost Houllier around £5million. He was surprisingly shipped out of Highbury by boss Arsene Wenger, who now insists he should definitely be part of England’s Euro 2004 squad. Upson is among the fastest defenders in the Premiership and one of Europe’s few naturally left-footed centre-backs. Birmingham have Upson under contract for the next two seasons and manager Steve Bruce will fight hard to keep him. But Bruce, who moved from Norwich to Manchester United during his playing career, knows only too well it is almost impossible for a player to resist the pull of one of the big five clubs. Upson won two championship medals while at Highbury and was the first English player bought by Wenger when he arrived from Luton in 1997 for £2m. He was reluctant to leave the Gunners but found it difficult to hold down a first-team place after suffering knee ligament damage and then a broken leg. But Upson, who has played six times for England, battled back successfully from those injuries and jumped at the chance to play regular football at Blues. Upson earns around £18,000 a week and a move to the Kop would almost certainly double his money. Liverpool forward Vladimir Smicer fears he could miss Euro 2004 after a scan revealed he suffered cartilage damage during Sunday’s 2-0 win against Middlesbrough. The Czech Republic striker has endured an injury-wrecked season and had only just returned from a three-month lay-off with an Achilles problem. Smicer lasted just 45 minutes against Boro. If his injury requires surgery, it will be touch and go whether he will be fit for the European Championships that kick off in Portugal on June 12.

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5th May 2004, 14:46	#3 (permalink)
a_devil_inside Big footed hermaphrodite Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Little Britain Posts: 31,324	United need to buy world class players this year, not just regular players

5th May 2004, 15:28	#6 (permalink)
a_devil_inside Big footed hermaphrodite Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Little Britain Posts: 31,324	somebody who will have a huge impact on games. Other players / fans would admire them greatly What I was trying to say before was we don't need anymore squad players, we bought enough of them already

5th May 2004, 15:52	#7 (permalink)
LenSharkey Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: bobbin on Posts: 1,884	Upson wouldnt strengthen the first choice 11, which is the calibre of player we need if we're to buy at all this summer.

5th May 2004, 15:59	#9 (permalink)
CubanCigar Youth Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 230	One of the most annoying things: What about this player.. what about that player... grow the fuck up, watch a player (note: more than 1 match), evaluate him, consider his place in our team, consider our needs.. and about a million other reasons before you throw stupid suggestions up in the air.. "Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth." That qualifies a million people and serves to aggravate the hell out of me. Fuck off.

12th May 2004, 15:05	#23 (permalink)
CubanCigar Youth Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 230	"Just a thought but he is a young decent and English defender who wouldnt cost the earth." VS 6 somewhat detailed points regarding why Upson would be a good signing. Maybe you should have documented some evalutive reasoning and a sound proposition before --like when you actually made the post. You throw a one-liner up in the air and expect me not to say anything? I like to see real argument. An opinion formulated through methodical and systematic reasoning --a real opinion. You failed to deliver that and that pissed me right off. Your opening post could and should have delivered more than, 'ooh just a quick thought..". Never had a problem with people suggesting transfer, hell why would I? But yeah when they are isolated points which lack directive, then yeah i sart to pout.

1st November 2011, 09:56	#25 (permalink)
redspoony Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: "When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm." Gianluca Vialli Posts: 3,632	Just met Upson in the lift - he lives in one of the penthouse suites in my building. Nice fella. Also met Christian Karembeau in the departures lounge at Birmingham airport last week.

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I'm always right Three-Headed Monkey Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mêlée Island Posts: 11,253	Stop name dropping you gayer

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7th February 2012, 16:16	#31 (permalink)
Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham + Londinium Posts: 9,977	Shanghai Shenhua in talks over Stoke defender Matthew Upson Apparently the honeymoon between Pulis and Upson is over, i've heard a lot of people are surprised that Upson hasn't left Stoke in January.

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ciderman9000000 Off his rocker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Manchester City Posts: 20,398	Eight year bump. Just start a new thread, you jommo.

7th February 2012, 18:26	#34 (permalink)
Brophs Brewlio's fugly sister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why don't we just kill Badger? Posts: 27,706	I remember someone saying last summer that we should replace Ferdinand with Upson.

7th February 2012, 18:28	#35 (permalink)
Successful Straight Guy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On top of the league Posts: 4,248	Just unreal how bad advice some players get from their men in charge. I just cannot imagine anything worse than having to play in China - no matter what the money are. I would even start playing with a local pub team rather than sinking to that sort of level.

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Gazza Magic Carpet Pilot Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: "some place faaar away... yes, that'll do" Posts: 27,086	This thread is worth a bump just because it shows devilish was a thread-diverting, cretinous twat-urchin even back in the day

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cesc's_mullet Get a haircut Hippy! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ONE SONG! we've only got one song... we've only got one song Posts: 18,475	What africanspur said, he'd be stupid not to!