Miguel Veloso

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

So Ronaldo is Ramsey? or Ramsey will be Ronaldo?

Every year their are a bunch of young players that burst onto the scene playing with no fear and catching the eye, it doesnt mean we should go buy them. If Cardiff had either Sam Hewson or Rodrigo they would have played most of the season and caught the eye too.

How in the hell you can base an arguement that this kid is the new Ronaldo by the simular number of appearance's he made is a new low even for the caf.

You do know that if you're calling Flawless stupid for think Ramsey is worth a punt, then you're effectively calling Fergie stupid?

FlawlessThaw · 17th May 2008, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

So Ronaldo is Ramsey? or Ramsey will be Ronaldo?

Every year their are a bunch of young players that burst onto the scene playing with no fear and catching the eye, it doesnt mean we should go buy them. If Cardiff had either Sam Hewson or Rodrigo they would have played most of the season and caught the eye too.

How in the hell you can base an arguement that this kid is the new Ronaldo by the simular number of appearance's he made is a new low even for the caf.

You obviously don't watch any reserve team football. Hewson and Rodrigo wouldn't really have caught the eye from what I have seen if they had played for Cardiff. Hewson wouldn't even have gotten a start.

I only compared Ramsey and Ronaldo because of the age they were when they were linked to a big club. That's it. I didn't doubt Ferguson about Ronaldo, and I don't see any reason to doubt Ferguson if he chooses to go after Ramsey. But to say Ferguson shouldn't sign Ramsey because he had "done fuck all" is a foolish statement, which is why I brought the comparison of Ronaldo who hadn't really done a great deal at Sporting before we signed him either (don't think he even played in the Cup final a la Weston).

devilish · 17th May 2008, 18:28

Before we signed Ronaldo, Juventus where pretty close in signing him themselves. Everything was sealed, the player wanted to go to Juve, the scouts gave their go ahead and everything seemed set. Yet, when Sporting slipped a 12m tag around the boy's neck, Juventus hesitated and we stepped in. The rest is history.

Im not saying that every talent is like Ronaldo. Quite contrary, its hard to make the grade nowadays + youth talent are so difficult to assess. Take Richardson for example. At one point he was doing so well in the EPL scoring two goals in his international debut and then, he simply vanished. On the other hand if a good talent comes on your path then there is nothing wrong in signing him up expecially when the fee isnt that high (5m is not that much for an FA finalist and a promising talent)

Scholes has two good years left in him and Anderson is set to take his place. In that situation its hard to attract talent like Veloso. On the other hand a youth talent such as Ramsey or Rodrigo wouldnt mind that. They will be loaned for a year or two and return better then ever to compete with Anderson for a first team place.

I read the transfer forum posts and deep down I feel sad because we only mention world class talent or at least finished products. FFS thats not the Manchester United's way. Our success is built by developing players and build sides and not simply by buying players. Let puts things clear I dont mind if the club spends 20m for a player that is needed but we definately dont need to spend 20m on a third striker or 10m for a 6th midfielder.

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 18:31

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

You obviously don't watch any reserve team football. Hewson and Rodrigo wouldn't really have caught the eye from what I have seen if they had played for Cardiff. Hewson wouldn't even have gotten a start.

I only compared Ramsey and Ronaldo because of the age they were when they were linked to a big club. That's it. I didn't doubt Ferguson about Ronaldo, and I don't see any reason to doubt Ferguson if he chooses to go after Ramsey. But to say Ferguson shouldn't sign Ramsey because he had "done fuck all" is a foolish statement, which is why I brought the comparison of Ronaldo who hadn't really done a great deal at Sporting before we signed him either (don't think he even played in the Cup final a la Weston).

Choose anybody but Ronaldo, nobody can be compared to Ronaldo. Foolish statement.

It was clear at 17 Ronaldo was something special, and he had good pedigree coming through the famous sporting acadamy. Why the feck do I have say this? I'm off never to return, happy ramblings..

FlawlessThaw · 17th May 2008, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

Choose anybody but Ronaldo, nobody can be compared to Ronaldo. Foolish statement.

It was clear at 17 Ronaldo was something special, and he had good pedigree coming through the famous sporting acadamy. Why the feck do I have say this? I'm off never to return, happy ramblings..

ok

bbest · 17th May 2008, 19:18

Difficult to judge him at this point in time. A stop-and-start season.

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Owen Hargreaves.

Agree, he is a potential.

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Yes, without losing much creativity.

But he's still mostly potential.

KeyserSoze · 29th May 2008, 03:19

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Bolton Wanderers boss Gary Megson has sounded out Sporting Lisbon for star midfielder Miguel Veloso.

The Sun says Megson has been told to cough up £16million for Sporting's international midfield star Veloso, 21.

Bolton boss Megson turned to Portugal for his first transfer move of the summer but Sporting slapped a huge tag of 20m Euros on their man.

If he goes to Bolton i will eat my own head.

REd FUn DevIl · 29th May 2008, 03:54

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Originally Posted by Keyzer Soze

If he goes to Bolton i will eat my own head.

More chance that Zidane return to the game than Bolton getting him.

That's not even possible on FM.

December_16 · 29th May 2008, 04:24

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

More chance that Zidane return to the game than Bolton getting him.

More chance of my nan nutmegs Zidane once he returns to the game than Bolton getting him.

But at the same time, we're not getting him though.

Lil Cee · 29th May 2008, 04:59

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

More chance that Zidane return to the game than Bolton getting him.

That's not even possible on FM.

Manuel Fernandes was talked about the same way at Benfica as Veloso is at Sporting and he went to Pompey.

ALX8725 · 29th May 2008, 05:38

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Originally Posted by Lil Cee

Manuel Fernandes was talked about the same way at Benfica as Veloso is at Sporting and he went to Pompey.

true, but with Fernandes, he was loaned out to Pompey

KeyserSoze · 3rd June 2008, 18:29

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Reports in Portugal suggest that Italian giants Milan are preparing a summer swoop for Miguel Veloso.

The Sporting Lisbon midfielder has attracted interest from a host of Europe's top clubs in recent seasons, without a formal approach being made.

However, it is now understood that negotiations concerning a potential move to Serie A are already underway.

With Gennaro Gattuso's future at Giuseppe Meazza still unclear, Milan are keen to bolster their midfield options and view the 22-year-old as the ideal replacement for their ageing Italian international.
The Rossoneri are also hoping to use Argentinean defender Leandro Grimi, loaned to Sporting in January, as a bargaining tool in any potential deal.

Veloso is currently preparing to represent Portugal at Euro 2008, and is reluctant to discuss his future, but it is thought that a bid of around 25million euros (£19.8m) could see him on the move during the close season.

If Sporting make it clear that they are prepared to let Veloso leave then Milan can expect competition for his signature from English quartet: Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...644120,00.html

Bape · 3rd June 2008, 18:38

Why? They've already signed Flamini.

ALX8725 · 3rd June 2008, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Bape

Why? They've already signed Flamini.

They are planning on restructuring the squad, allegedly.

REd FUn DevIl · 3rd June 2008, 18:49

Its stupid to move to Milan if you want chances. They still have a settle midfield so they are just looking for bench players.

Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso/Flamini and Seedorf are still the first team players and after them come Flamini/Gattuso, Ambrossini. Veloso rather stay at Sporting by now.

ALX8725 · 3rd June 2008, 18:52

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

Its stupid to move to Milan if you want chances. They still have a settle midfield so they are just looking for bench players.

Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso/Flamini and Seedorf are still the first team players and after them come Flamini/Gattuso, Ambrossini. Veloso rather stay at Sporting by now.

I thought Gattuso is on his way out?

marcus agrippa · 3rd June 2008, 19:09

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

Its stupid to move to Milan if you want chances. They still have a settle midfield so they are just looking for bench players.

Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso/Flamini and Seedorf are still the first team players and after them come Flamini/Gattuso, Ambrossini. Veloso rather stay at Sporting by now.

isn't Gourcuff still lingering around there somewhere?

MrMarcello · 3rd June 2008, 19:22

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

Its stupid to move to Milan if you want chances. They still have a settle midfield so they are just looking for bench players.

Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso/Flamini and Seedorf are still the first team players and after them come Flamini/Gattuso, Ambrossini. Veloso rather stay at Sporting by now.

Supposedly Veloso can play LB in addition to midfield. Not sure who Inter have at the LB spot currently.

KeyserSoze · 3rd June 2008, 19:25

Seedorf, Gattuso, Pirlo and Milan are not exactly young. Maybe this indicates Milan are changing their OAP philosophy.

Sarni · 3rd June 2008, 19:27

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

Supposedly Veloso can play LB in addition to midfield. Not sure who Inter have at the LB spot currently.

Who Inter have on LB will have very little bearing on where Veloso plays for Milan.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th June 2008, 11:05

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

Supposedly Veloso can play LB in addition to midfield. Not sure who Inter have at the LB spot currently.

Maxwell

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th June 2008, 11:05

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Originally Posted by KeyzerSoze

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...644120,00.html

As long as arsenal get him not this pleases me

Brwned · 4th June 2008, 11:14

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Originally Posted by ALX8725

true, but with Fernandes, he was loaned out to Pompey

And he turned out to be shit, all flair and no substance, Valencia realised that quite quickly.

bbest · 4th June 2008, 11:14

So, you don't wish Veloso to United, Chief? Anyway, your worst fear has come true, Chelsea are apparently targeting Spalletti.

FranklyVulgar · 4th June 2008, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Maxwell

He's a very good left back i think so at least.

Veloso will play in midfield, he has too much awareness and ability on the ball for a full back.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th June 2008, 12:04

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Originally Posted by bbest

So, you don't wish Veloso to United, Chief?

On the contrary. I still want him. But as long as Arsenal do not get to partner him with Fabregas. Even if we didn't get him, I will be happy.

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Originally Posted by bbest

Anyway, your worst fear has come true, Chelsea are apparently targeting Spalletti.

Yes.

I hope it works out not. I have big hopes of him one day taking over at United

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th June 2008, 12:05

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Originally Posted by Bape

Why? They've already signed Flamini.

He can take up Ambrosini's role long term.

rooney__10 · 4th June 2008, 13:31

Havn't seen him much. Would him being a mixture of pirlo gattuso be overstating it a little. Just heard good things about him. He's a deep lying playmaker who loves a tackle. Their very hard to comeby if true.

17th May 2008, 18:28	#483 (permalink)
devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 17,823	Before we signed Ronaldo, Juventus where pretty close in signing him themselves. Everything was sealed, the player wanted to go to Juve, the scouts gave their go ahead and everything seemed set. Yet, when Sporting slipped a 12m tag around the boy's neck, Juventus hesitated and we stepped in. The rest is history. Im not saying that every talent is like Ronaldo. Quite contrary, its hard to make the grade nowadays + youth talent are so difficult to assess. Take Richardson for example. At one point he was doing so well in the EPL scoring two goals in his international debut and then, he simply vanished. On the other hand if a good talent comes on your path then there is nothing wrong in signing him up expecially when the fee isnt that high (5m is not that much for an FA finalist and a promising talent) Scholes has two good years left in him and Anderson is set to take his place. In that situation its hard to attract talent like Veloso. On the other hand a youth talent such as Ramsey or Rodrigo wouldnt mind that. They will be loaned for a year or two and return better then ever to compete with Anderson for a first team place. I read the transfer forum posts and deep down I feel sad because we only mention world class talent or at least finished products. FFS thats not the Manchester United's way. Our success is built by developing players and build sides and not simply by buying players. Let puts things clear I dont mind if the club spends 20m for a player that is needed but we definately dont need to spend 20m on a third striker or 10m for a 6th midfielder.

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Bape Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,372	Why? They've already signed Flamini.

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REd FUn DevIl First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: I Love Sugarcult Posts: 12,003	Its stupid to move to Milan if you want chances. They still have a settle midfield so they are just looking for bench players. Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso/Flamini and Seedorf are still the first team players and after them come Flamini/Gattuso, Ambrossini. Veloso rather stay at Sporting by now.

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KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,556	Seedorf, Gattuso, Pirlo and Milan are not exactly young. Maybe this indicates Milan are changing their OAP philosophy.

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bbest The Caf's worst songwriter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: .................... Posts: 7,878	So, you don't wish Veloso to United, Chief? Anyway, your worst fear has come true, Chelsea are apparently targeting Spalletti.

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rooney__10 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,129	Havn't seen him much. Would him being a mixture of pirlo gattuso be overstating it a little. Just heard good things about him. He's a deep lying playmaker who loves a tackle. Their very hard to comeby if true.