Newcastle agree fee for Yanga-Mbiwa

Broyphs

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...ou-Yanga-Mbiwa

He's looked a good player when I've seen him. Good signing if they can get it done.

Castia

The Remy deal didn't quite happen for them but fair play they keep getting these French International players for a decent fee. Only seen Mbiwa a couple of times but he's looked decent on those games.

NinjaFletch

He'll sign for QPR tomorrow then.

RedSky At Night

Wtf, that's a superb deal.

Quinton Fortune

I've heard Southampton were interested, might try and step in too here.

Raven Blade

Another good player, good price. Their Chief Scout, Graham Carr, has an obvious eye for talent, and they keep beating other top teams to them.

Phil

..in the French league.

Robbie Boy

Hate this statement. They have signed mostly established players.

OGkush

If you're not a particularly big club that's the best place to look at.
great value for money, you won't find clubs selling their players as cheaply as it's done by teams in France, and they're pretty talented to boot.

Castia

That's true the surprising thing for me is the price they are getting these players for. The likes of Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Debuchy and now Mbiwa all for £5m each. Tiote for £3.5m and Santon for £5m are also great deals for the club.

Grinner

West Ham boss Alan Pardew has hit out at Arsene Wenger for not fielding an English player in Arsenal's Champions League win against Real Madrid.
"I saw a headline saying Arsenal are flying the flag for Britain," he said.

"I kind of wondered where that British involvement actually was when I looked at their team.

"It's important that top clubs don't lose sight of the fact that it's the English Premier League and English players should be involved."

Pardew added: "Foreign players have been fantastic. We have learned from them and from foreign coaches.

"But, to some extent, we could lose the soul of British football - the English player.

"We have a young team at West Ham and we are proud we have so many Englishmen.

"The soul of this team will remain with at least three or four English players as long as I am West Ham. I think that's important, I really do."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/4792270.stm


Today:

Newcastle United
01 Krul
02 Coloccini
03 Santon
06 Williamson Booked
26 Debuchy Booked
04 Cabaye (Bigirimana - 74' )
08 Anita (Obertan - 80' )
18 Gutierrez
22 Marveaux (Perch - 65' )
09 Cisse
23 Sh Ameobi


Cunt!

Robbie Boy

Indeed. If anything, it is their negotiating skills that have to be commended and not this apparent 'brilliant' scouting network.

vanthaman

With eir injury situation I don't think he has much choice in the players he picks, there are 2 1/2 English players there

Marching

And another 4 on the bench.

Ignore the bitter gooner

Cevno

Huh ? Even if they have (which they haven't actually) how the hell does what he said go against what you said ?

Sandikan

Doesn't like City because they keep pillaging their players, doesn't like us as they still we're rivals and for nicking VP, doesn't like Pardew because of some quote from years and years back.
Doesn't like Tottenham or Chelsea for obvious reasons....
etc etc

Grinner

Dunno why you're laughing...you've got him for another 8 years.

Robbie Boy

This makes no sense.

Cevno

Even, if they are established players, he needs a good eye for talent to sign the right ones ahead of other clubs, No ?

(Not that i am agreeing, that all their signings have been established.)

Spoony Kobayashi

It's funny not seeing him look as smug thesedays.

Robbie Boy

I don't know how much European football you watch but they really haven't uncovered any unheard of gems at all. It seems that saying Carr is a scout extraordinaire is the new hip thing to say. As I said; they have done well to get players at the prices they have paid, but that is about it.

Cevno

Yeah, but they're are many so called gems that haven't done well in the bigger leagues or Struggled in the PL. Have had attitude problems and what not.

You need to have a good eye to scout the so called upcoming talents to take a call which one to sign and which one not and what price. There's a reason why every club doesn't move for every known player at every price.

And they have also signed the likes of Bigirimanna, Amalfitano, Marveaux amongst others who weren't established stars by any means.

I am not sure what you mean by Unheard gems anyway though ? 16 year olds or Players from outside Europe ? Or Players from Mars ?

Robbie Boy

The only players I was unfamiliar with were Perch, Williamson and Bigiramana, and 2 out of those 3 are nowhere near Premiership level while the other is a prospect. Anita has also been a poor signing.

Cabaye captained the team that won Ligue 1, whilst only Gomez had scored more than Cisse in the Bundesliga, over the course of 2 seasons. You are talking nonsense, they don't have this 'amazing' scouting network that some make out. You are not offering any evidence to the contrary.

Unheard of players? Erm, Hernandez would be an 'unheard' of player, to me anyway. A young unknown talent that has been a major success. That is one mere example, more would be Palacios, Valencia etc. what signings of this ilk have Newcastle made?

Edit: I suppose Tiote would be the only one really.

Sarni

It's a bit strange when we proclaim Carr as a great scout on the basis of signing a player that we all know is good before he even steps his foot on a Premier League ground. If we're able to tell that Yanga-Mbiwa will be good for them, then it makes us good scouts as well.

Out of all first team players that Newcastle have signed in the past two years I can tell I wasn't really aware of Tiote who turned out to be very good. Santon, Cabaye, Debuchy, Ben Arfa, Cisse and Ba were all well known players, most of them internationals and genuine stars of their previous teams.

sajeev

And Tiote won the Dutch league with Twente if I am not wrong

Sarni

He did but I wasn't aware of him probably just because I don't follow that league. Anyone who does will have been aware of a title-winning midfielder I'm sure.

Robbie Boy

Yeah spot on. Out of their starting line-up, Tiote would be the only one I was unfamiliar with, but I'm sure plenty had heard of him.

It seems like saying Carr is a genuins scout is just the new hip saying.

Brwned

Just because they're established doesn't change the fact they're good signings. Spotting a good player is easy, spotting the right player isn't. For example you could say that Gastón Ramirez was already a proven talent but he's found it hard to adapt. Likewise for players like Ruiz and Granero - obviously talented and proven at a similar level but so far not a perfect fit. Newcastle have got the right players at the right price consistently under Carr - why shouldn't he be given credit for that?

Cevno

What the hell ?

Just because it was known to you doesn't make it a bad signing. There were millions of people in Mexico that knew Hernandez but maybe didn't know others like Cabaye.

And the Scout's job is not too spot a good player. But to spot the right good player who will sign for them, will be available in their budget, will be compatible with the squad off field and also will fit into the team on field and adapt to the league.

Thee deserves credit for good signings whether it be, from another premiership club even. Look at how Berbatov didn't adapt for us.
You could argue that he was not totally responsible for all the signings but the argument you're making with the logic that unless you sign players from Mars or from the streets you're not a good scout is just Weird.

Edit - Re Palacios he was going from club to club giving trials in Europe and Wenger recommended him to Bruce.

While Valencia had impressed at the World Cup and was playing in Spain. Not exactly Mars.

Cevno

Yeah, exactly. It's one thing knowing 1000's of players out of which 100's maybe rated highly, but it's another deciding which 1/2 out of those will be a good signing.

Robbie Boy

I personally think the credit given to Carr is a throw away statement at this stage. Sure on the flip side, the majority of scouts should be praised as most clubs make good signings at one stage or another.

I admire the fact they have got players at the prices which they have got them. Someone has to be credited for that, not sure who, though. They have plenty of saleable assets and stand to make a good profit on several of their players.

For me, when someone praises a teams scouting network, it would usually mean that they have uncovered some unheard of talent. Ben Arfa, Santon, Cabaye, etc, are names that even casual football fans would have heard of.

Robbie Boy

Silly post. Refer back to my previous posts. You are boring me now.

Cevno

Pretty sure fans in Mexico wouldn't have heard about them.

Liverpool fans were all clamouring for them to sign Sahin. That didn't work out that well on a loan right now. Even many were on here. Same with us and Berbatov.

Now we are being linked with Zaha and were before with Ince. Scout has to go and decide between the 2 or any other wingers outside the country and compile dossiers.

We were linked in the summer with Ander Herrera and Hector Herrera both. Maybe we would be scouting either too along with 20 other midfielders and will decide on who fits the profile we need.

Robbie Boy

Come on, Cevno, lad. You are twisting this. Think we will have to agree to disagree. Either of us can spin this any way we want, sure Everton have made some brilliant shrewd signings over the years, Moyes gets the credit for that, not some random scout. See where I am going here? Anyway, others in this thread alone agree with me, so at least I'm not the only one with this view point.

Think this thread has been derailed enough. Don't you? We aren't going to agree, so, ya know, this is pointless.

In other news, apparently Arsenal are ready to hijack this move. Would be a bad blow for Newcastle, twice in the space of a week.

moyses

Yeah but it's the amount of hits ve misses and Carr is on a good run, it's undeniable. So credit id due. Look at the same money spent on shite across the division.

Cevno

Isn't MBiwa a Manchester United fan, btw ? Pretty sure i read him quoted as saying that to play for us would be his ultimate dream come true.

Marching

You know as well as I do that Pardew's contract will be cancelled as soon as Ashley's had enough...as they say it's not worth the paper it's written on.

RedSky At Night

Yoan Gouffran the latest French player to be heading to Newcastle...

Broyphs

According to the Sky reporter they trying to bring in Mbiwa, Haidara, Gouffran, and Sissoko, all from the French league. It seems they've also agreed a fee for Gouffran and Haidara. Other than Haidara who I haven't heard much about, they're all regarded as good players. They should have done this in the summer, though.

RedSky At Night

Looks like they're spending the TV money early to avoid getting in a relegation scrap.

Although Gouffran is being reported at only being around 1m Euros, which is crazy really.