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Old 11th May 2008, 11:02   #41 (permalink)
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It's all bollocks speculation. Hope that helps.
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Old 11th May 2008, 11:02   #42 (permalink)
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Owen? Fuck's sake please no. He is probably exactly what we don't need.

He is small, old and injury prone.
We need someone with great arial presence, who can score goals with his head, someone who hold up the ball for the like of Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo.
In a way someone like Berbatov with a better attitude. Someone like Benzema.

But certainly not an ex-Liverpool player.
Manucho.
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Old 11th May 2008, 11:02   #43 (permalink)
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FERGIE LAUNCHES OWEN BID
By ANDY DUNN and DAVID HARRISON

Louis Saha looks certain to be unloaded and Sir Alex said: "We will buy. Along with Carlos Tevez and Wayne Rooney, we may need experience in one forward position, somebody to take over from Ryan Giggs eventually."
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Alex Ferguson: Dimitar Berbatov fits the bill
Ferguson said: "We will buy in the summer. I'm quite happy with the one or two things we have done. In the striker department we have young Danny Welbeck, who's got a great future, and Fraizer Campbell, who's done a fantastic job on loan at Hull this year.

"We'll also have Manuchu back from Panathinaikos. He showed in the Africa Cup of Nations what a big, powerful striker he is. So, along with Carlos Tevez and Wayne Rooney, we've got planty of strength in that department. But we do need experience."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai.../sfnman111.xml

I'm lovin' this. Somehow, the above equates to the proposition that we're going to buy Owen and Berbatov.
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Manucho.
(too) young 'n' (probably not) learnin'
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Old 11th May 2008, 11:06   #45 (permalink)
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15 million at 29. As I said do the math. The younger you are the higher the price will be. I fail to see why you can't grasp that

Don't be silly. I was comparing prices here. Not players.


Drogba never played in the champions league final. Infact his first year in the champions league is when he scored the goals he did.

Berbatov meanwhile got the the final with Leverkursen. Has scored goals in both the UEFA Cup and Champions League. Has scored in The Bundesliga and the premiership. Is at his peak. Is the best player at his club. A club that has horrendously underperformed yet he even has more goals than both Rooney and Tevez. Frankly you don't have a leg to stand on. You are just behaving the same silly way you behaved when Torres was talked about as a potential signing.
Therefore you see justified that we would be buying Berbatov for the same amount of money (ok Garcia was in the deal too) that Liverpool bought Torres? Do you see it justified to buy Berbatov at 25m when at his age Bolton brought Anelka back for third the price?Thats ridiculous.The truth is that Berbatov is a 27yr old striker (not a young player anymore), with attitude problems, no brand name and who wants to leave a small club ASAP. He is certianly not rated 25m (5m more then Tevez ffs) expecially since its a buyers market.
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Old 11th May 2008, 11:06   #46 (permalink)
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(too) young 'n' (probably not) learnin'
He's 24 and SAF lauded him in the interview
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He's 24 and SAF lauded him in the interview
You see. I trust Fergie and all but you can't be sure that he will really make it at United.
+ we don't even know if we can get a work permit next year.

BTW same goes for Campbell and the other lad. Who knows if they are good enough.
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Old 11th May 2008, 11:12   #48 (permalink)
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This boy has an elegant style which reminds me of Berbatov.

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This boy has an elegant style which reminds me of Berbatov.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GJAuymxGBY
Why is that? Cause of his hair? Or because he wins no 1 on 1 situations?
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Therefore you see justified that we would be buying Berbatov for the same amount of money.
Yes. Berbatov is worth up to 25 million. Only pretenders claim otherwise.

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(ok Garcia was in the deal too) that Liverpool bought Torres?
So what? You are a man who said Torres wan't even worth 8 million. Based on adhoc arguments. LKiek what you are using against Berbatov now.


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Do you see it justified to buy Berbatov at 25m when at his age Bolton brought Anelka back for third the price?Thats ridiculous.
Get real. Anelka was doing next to nothing when he was bought by Bolton. You can't compare such a transfer to signing the Bulgarian now. You can only compare that tranfser to what Spurs paid Bayer for him. Which was accurate then.

When Anelka did something, you so how much Chelsea spent on him. Aged 28. To attempt to claim Berbatov should go as cheaply is beyond ludicrous


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The truth is that Berbatov is a 27yr old striker (not a young player anymore), with attitude problems, no brand name and who wants to leave a small club ASAP. He is certianly not rated 25m (5m more then Tevez ffs) expecially since its a buyers market.
That's bullshit. Berbatov doens't have these alleged "attitude problems", is at the PEAK of his powers, (fuck being a young player, we want experience), is at a not at a small, just an under peforming one, is a player with pedigree in European competition, Germany and England plus international football. Has out scored both our best strikers in a team horrendously under performing and has as many assist too. You are free to not like him but to under value him and disrespect him like you are doing is criminal.
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Old 11th May 2008, 11:27   #51 (permalink)
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You see. I trust Fergie and all but you can't be sure that he will really make it at United.
+ we don't even know if we can get a work permit next year.

BTW same goes for Campbell and the other lad. Who knows if they are good enough.
Which is exactly why, after talking about him, he says "But we need experience too."

Of the 3, Manucho is the most proven - but we still need someone more proven than that. Frankly, everyone we've been linked to is more proven and experienced. Thats why we've been linked with them, because they have performed well in their European leagues.

The point I was making was that we already have that type of player in our ranks (SAF seems confident about the permit) so we dont really need someone of the exact same mold. We have great off-strikers in Rooney and Tevez, we have a slightly proven tall striker who is great in the air and then we have a Championship-proven speed demon in Campbell and a barely proven skillful striker, still with some decent pace, in Welbeck.

We have most things covered there. Whoever we buy will surely fit into one or several of the above categories - but we dont really need any specific one.
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Why is that? Cause of his hair? Or because he wins no 1 on 1 situations?
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Berbatov would be perfect, even more so because of his age.
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Manucho.
Unproven and certainly not experienced.

There is a slim chance that this guy is the real deal. I will be ecstatic if he is, but a large part off me says he will be very average and we won't even see him play for the first team (ala' Dong).

We need a top class centre forward to make our squad the strongest in Europe.
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Unproven and certainly not experienced.

There is a slim chance that this guy is the real deal. I will be ecstatic if he is, but a large part off me says he will be very average and we won't even see him play for the first team (ala' Dong).

We need a top class centre forward to make our squad the strongest in Europe.
So you believe SAF's words about needing an experienced striker, but not his words about Manucho?

I never said we dont need a striker. Just that we have all types covered so we can really sign any striker - any striker more experienced than Manucho, Campbell and Welbeck
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Watch carefully, the way he strokes the ball, his movement.
It is rumoured that he is believed to be 'the New Batistuta"..in South American quarters.........
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Old 11th May 2008, 11:42   #57 (permalink)
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Saha is surely gonna be sold.

SAF doesn't even mention him.
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Benzema would be my first choice, no doubt about it. But it looks more and more likely he ain't gonna be a United player. We need to be realistic.

But i ask, How old was Cantona when we bought him? How old was Sheringham when we signed him?

What i'm trying to say is that if the sole reason people don't want to sign Berbatov is because he's 27 and not 20 then that is stupid.

Cantona and Sheringham were both older than 25 when we bought them and yet have become two of the most important players of all time for this club.

Benzema would be better, but i'd take Berbatov/Owen in a heart beat.
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You see. I trust Fergie and all but you can't be sure that he will really make it at United.
+ we don't even know if we can get a work permit next year.

BTW same goes for Campbell and the other lad. Who knows if they are good enough.
A reason why the should be given a chance. By sharing th e role of 4th choice forward at United.
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Yes. Berbatov is worth up to 25 million. Only pretenders claim otherwise.

So what? You are a man who said Torres wan't even worth 8 million. Based on adhoc arguments. LKiek what you are using against Berbatov now.


Get real. Anelka was doing next to nothing when he was bought by Bolton. You can't compare such a transfer to signing the Bulgarian now. You can only compare that tranfser to what Spurs paid Bayer for him. Which was accurate then.

When Anelka did something, you so how much Chelsea spent on him. Aged 28. To attempt to claim Berbatov should go as cheaply is beyond ludicrous


That's bullshit. Berbatov doens't have these alleged "attitude problems", is at the PEAK of his powers, (fuck being a young player, we want experience), is at a not at a small, just an under peforming one, is a player with pedigree in European competition, Germany and England plus international football. Has out scored both our best strikers in a team horrendously under performing and has as many assist too. You are free to not like him but to under value him and disrespect him like you are doing is criminal.
Anelka did nothing? FFS till that time he won the EPL league and the FA cup with Arsenal, the CL with Real and the Confederations cup with France. What had Berbatov ever won during his career? Absolutely nothing. What about Luca Toni then? A natural striker, fresh from winning the World Cup who signed with Bayern after an amazing season in Italy. The fee? 8M. Is Berbatov worth more then 3 times as much? My answer is no
Im not saying that Berbatov is shite but just overpriced. Lets face it we would be getting a player, who had never won anything in his life and whose causing friction in a small club. Unless Chelsea dont step in (or we act stupidly), they would never be able to sell Berbatov on 25m.
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Benzema would be my first choice, no doubt about it. But it looks more and more likely he ain't gonna be a United player. We need to be realistic.

But i ask, How old was Cantona when we bought him? How old was Sheringham when we signed him?

What i'm trying to say is that if the sole reason people don't want to sign Berbatov is because he's 27 and not 20 then that is stupid.

Cantona and Sheringham were both older than 25 when we bought them and yet have become two of the most important players of all time for this club.

Benzema would be better, but i'd take Berbatov/Owen in a heart beat.
I wouldnt want Owen because he is too injury prone. Regarding Berbatov I wouldnt mind him if the price is right.
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David Villa, the latin and non-injury prone Michael Owen - with added class and teamwork.
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Old 11th May 2008, 12:06   #63 (permalink)
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I wouldnt want Owen because he is too injury prone. Regarding Berbatov I wouldnt mind him if the price is right.
Owen's injuries worry me to. The last thing we want is to trade one saha for another.

He'd score shit loads of goals for us but the question is is he worth the gamble?

Berbatov is overpriced but he is top quality.
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Anelka did nothing? FFS till that time he won the EPL league and the FA cup with Arsenal, the CL with Real and the Confederations cup with France. What had Berbatov ever won during his career? Absolutely nothing. What about Luca Toni then? A natural striker, fresh from winning the World Cup who signed with Bayern after an amazing season in Italy. The fee? 8M. Is Berbatov worth more then 3 times as much? My answer is noIm not saying that Berbatov is shite but just overpriced. Lets face it we would be getting a player, who had never won anything in his life and whose causing friction in a small club. Unless Chelsea dont step in (or we act stupidly), they would never be able to sell Berbatov on 25m.
Why does it matter or not whether they have won any silverware? It holds no weight in this debate.

Luca Toni is 30. That is 3 years older than Berbatov.

I actually think he has conducted himself well during this whole fiasco. Its his agent that has done a lot of the talking.
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Anelka did nothing? FFS till that time he won the EPL league and the FA cup with Arsenal, the CL with Real and the Confederations cup with France..
FFS Devlish Stop acting stupid! Anelka while at Besiktas did fuck all. That is why he was bought as cheaply as he was. When he went to Bolton, and performed, his value obviously increased again. Bringing up his past glories at Arsenal is not remotely relevant. Or he would have cost way more than Henry when Cheslea bought him.

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What had Berbatov ever won during his career? Absolutely nothing.
So what? What had Rooney won when we bought him? Or Rio ? Or Carrick?

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What about Luca Toni then? A natural striker, fresh from winning the World Cup who signed with Bayern after an amazing season in Italy. The fee? 8M. Is Berbatov worth more then 3 times as much? My answer is no
Dumb statement. You are talking about a player who had 6 months left on his contract. At 29 years old. Who wnet for 8 million. Berbatov has 2 years left and is 27. He would obviously cost more. It's that same principle that made an okay talent like Bent cost more than Henry.

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Im not saying that Berbatov is shite but just overpriced.
Which is frankly the same thing. Because you don't want to admit his true quality or value as player. That is why you're coming up with every bullshit reason to say his price is too high.

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Lets face it we would be getting a player, who had never won anything in his life and whose causing friction in a small club.
First off Spurs isn't a small club. That's blatantly clear. Furthermore Berbatov doesn't have to have one anything to be worth 25 million. FFS we bought raw Rooney for 30 million quid and he was fresh out high school? There is nothing more dumb than to think we would buy a finished article at the peak of his powers for half that price

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Unless Chelsea dont step in (or we act stupidly), they would never be able to sell Berbatov on 25m.