Silvestre leaving as well

FlawlessThaw

To be honest a lot of those defenders are worse than O'Shea. If he is the barometer of "crapness" at United than we're doing quite alright thank you.

golden_blunder

yes i would, because my point would still remain. They got to the CL final. And in fact IF Terry had scored that penalty, the biggest superstar in the team (Ronaldo) would be the one who lost it for them, not the likes of O'Shea

devilish

Its good for the time being but if Silvestre leaves you need replacement. Its like saying that we dont need a striker just because we won the double with Rooney and Tevez.

devilish

You need adequate cover for every position. Now you can get away with it if injuries dont start cropping out (our first team defense is the best in Europe) in the same time. Unfortunately this will not always be the case.

Can you see us passing through against Barca if Rio got injured and we where forced to replace him with OShea? Messi would have had the time of his life.

golden_blunder

i don't disagree that IF Mickey leaves we should bring in another body. What i disagree with is that it needs to be the likes of the ones you have mentioned (Chivu etc)

For example, Fergie may see enough in training to give one of the Brazilian lads a run at fullback if Evra was injured.

Yianni

To be honest, none of the teams Dev has listed strikes fear into me. A lot of big names, but most are getting on and aren't a billion times better then what we have which seems to be what he is implying.

Our starting back four is the best in the world, and you can quote that.

golden_blunder

well as i recall it, we had to replace Vidic and we didnt do to badly against Messi.

Rio is a different matter. He is the best defender in the world. I dont care who you try to replace him with, its not going to be the same.

devilish

Ive made that post in response to someone saying that no decent defender would be ready to come as Evra's cover. That is all. If you read my previous posts you would notice that I had also said that we dont need to spend alot to find Mickey's replacement. Some experienced head coming from a small club (similar to Ronnie Johnson) would do. The brazilian kids will need at least a year to settle down.

Yianni

I agree that when a player leaves you need to replace them, but in this case, it's not the most essential thing we need to do. Silvestre played a handful of matches so it's not like he is leaving a huge hole in our squad. The very squad which won the double with him only playing 5 times in all competitions.

golden_blunder

none of us know how long it will take them to settle Dev

devilish

Vidic was replaced with Wes who is quite a decent defender. There is a big difference between Wes and OShea.

Brwned

You call him O'Shit, tell me can you see any loyalty in that?

devilish

This year we had 4 long term injuries (Foster, Saha, Mickey and Gaz) and we got away with it. This was due to many factors like team spirit etc, but luck also played a major role in it. I mean if Rooney or lets say Rio got injured for a long time then we would have been in shite. Now Im not saying that you have to have a world class cover to every world class player. Im just saying that you just have to have adequate and reliable cover for each of your players. Now OShea, Simpson and Evans do not inspire that in me yet.

golden_blunder

you are making an assumption that Rio would be replaced by O'Shea!?

who is to say that Brown wouldn't replace him? Either Gaz would be fit and back at RB, Hargreaves could go to RB, OShea could go to RB or someone else.

Your point is redundant

ronnie dazzler

And Cole and Sheringham just didn't like each other, probably didnt happen until both at club. So they didn't know in advance. Its not like you really have to talk to each other much.

If he had done it to one of my mates, I want to fucking hurt him too everytime I'd looked at him, so better not to go there. Besides its not like they were Arsenal, Chelsea or United. Newcastle are just another Premiership team.

We also forget sometimes that players are people too, not just walking football careers - they make decisions on jobs the same way we do, best money, location, work atmosphere, people to work with.

devilish

O'Shit is = to Oh Shit which is the phrase I use whenever I see O'Shea in our defense expecially as central back. I would say the same thing if I see Ronaldo there. That doesnt mean that I hate Ronaldo.

devilish

If injury strikes to both our central backs we will have to rely on two between OShea, Evans and Wes. That is not good enough at least against the toughest sides.

Brwned

Rooney had plenty of injuries this season. Clearly we weren't in shit seeing as we won the double. Get some perspective will you.

Well thankfully SAF knows that they can do a job and doesn't care enough to go out and buy world class cover to inspire fans like you.

Yianni

Did Pique inspire you? If so, then you shouldn't have any problems with Evans.

Oshea isn't as bad as you think. He is very reliable, most people can see this, SAF saw it which is why he offered him a new contract.

Simpson is the only questionable one, but you have Neville, Brown and Hargreaves all capable of playing at right full back so we may not even see Simpson play for us next season.

Brwned

It's still insulting someone who has given more to this club than half of the players you go around praising I'm sure. No loyalty.

golden_blunder

IF, IF, IF

Your point is becoming more and more extreme to try and win the argument.

As is already pointed out, Gaz and Mickey were both out most of last season. We won the double.

devilish

He never had long term injuries. Anyway do you think that we dont need a new striker then?



Where have I said that we need a world class defender?

devilish

If there arent ifs then we can scrap all our reserves and concentrate in having just the best 11. We also wouldnt have to worry to replace Saha with a new player. After all we had lived without him havent we?

devilish

If you say so.

Im sure we wouldnt have won anything without OShea. Happy now?

Yianni

What happens if injury strikes to the players who are supposed to cover both Rio and Vidic?

You have to draw the line somewhere and have faith with what you got. Otherwise you can end up with 3-4 players to each position.

I get the impression that some people would love that.

devilish

No. I myself had to admit that Ive made the mistake of overrating him a bit.

He was given a new contract because he is versatile. I applaud SAF for doing so but that doesnt mean that he could do the job as central back expecially against the stronger sides

The problem is not the rear flanks. If injuries strike for both Rio and Vidic we would have to choose 2 between Wes, OShea and Evans. Imagine us in a CL semifinal tie with that defense.

devilish