United target Palace defender Clyne as long-term replacement for legend Neville Read

ciderman9000000 · 26th January 2012, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Smores

Injury prone is an odd overused term. If his injuries were of the reoccurring nature I'd be worried but they're all completely unrelated. His latest was a shoulder dislocation, another one was just bruising around the knee, he had a hamstring injury in his first season along with a hairline fracture on his ankle.

There's no long-term concerns there at all, only one was muscular. Certainly nothing to suggest he's going to have an injury ridden career.

yeah the twins aren't injury prone!

Twin starts game - 65minutes later - Twin goes off injured. Repeat for every single game.

I've met more durable daddy-long-legses.

lysglimt · 26th January 2012, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Elliott

He talkin' 'bout Rafael, bro.

Would make a bit more sense then yeah

lysglimt · 26th January 2012, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Smores

Injury prone is an odd overused term. If his injuries were of the reoccurring nature I'd be worried but they're all completely unrelated. His latest was a shoulder dislocation, another one was just bruising around the knee, he had a hamstring injury in his first season along with a hairline fracture on his ankle.

There's no long-term concerns there at all, only one was muscular. Certainly nothing to suggest he's going to have an injury ridden career.

Injury-prone doesn't necessarily mean that he has a weak ankle or a bad shoulder like Robson did

But even Ferguson has said that their playing style is contributing to their injuries - they are throwing themselves into tackles and they often end up with a yellow card or an injury. This makes them injury-prone - and they will probably learn at some stage - but it might take a while!

Smores · 26th January 2012, 15:14

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Originally Posted by lysglimt

Injury-prone doesn't necessarily mean that he has a weak ankle or a bad shoulder like Robson did

But even Ferguson has said that their playing style is contributing to their injuries - they are throwing themselves into tackles and they often end up with a yellow card or an injury. This makes them injury-prone - and they will probably learn at some stage - but it might take a while!

Yeah I agree with that, I just disagree with labelling rafael as someone who can't be relied upon in the future as he's susceptible to injuries. There's been a snowballing myth that rafael comes off every game or get's yellows all the time, neither are particularly true. He started 26 games last season and he got 2 yellows and 1 red.

The claims are much more true of his brother who has a worse record coming off injured as well as receiving more cards. In fact I think it doesn't help they kind of mould together a little

forevrared · 26th January 2012, 20:57

Twins in general, including our Da Silva variety, are genetically prone to injury as when the zygote splits into two embryos, only half of the cellular regeneration properties are transferred to each embryo. This results in more injuries for each twin in their lives (as well their hair, fingernails and teeth will tend to grow slower). It's a scientific fact, and the main reason I was so vehemently opposed to signing a set of twins in the first place.Please note that I am not a doctor and the book I obtained these facts from may or may not have been legitimate. Consult your physician.

Excal · 26th January 2012, 21:10

But when we play them both together, their twin telepathy (also scientific fact) could be a big help in link up play.

prateik · 26th January 2012, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Excal

But when we play them both together, their twin telepathy (also scientific fact) could be a big help in link up play.

Excal · 26th January 2012, 21:25

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Originally Posted by prateik

Look it up! On the Internet!

Seriously? That needed white text?

prateik · 27th January 2012, 04:13

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Originally Posted by Excal

Look it up! On the Internet!

Seriously? That needed white text?

Cant find it. Linky?
gah.
3am.. my excuse

ciderman9000000 · 27th January 2012, 06:45

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Originally Posted by forevrared

Twins in general, including our Da Silva variety, are genetically prone to injury as when the zygote splits into two embryos, only half of the cellular regeneration properties are transferred to each embryo. This results in more injuries for each twin in their lives (as well their hair, fingernails and teeth will tend to grow slower). It's a scientific fact, and the main reason I was so vehemently opposed to signing a set of twins in the first place.Please note that I am not a doctor and the book I obtained these facts from may or may not have been legitimate. Consult your physician.

Nothing about this on the internet. Pseudoscience.

68-99-08 · 19th March 2012, 20:40

@ForeverUnitedRI has said on twitter we have agreed a deal in principle to sign Nathaniel Clyne:

"We have agreed a deal in principle with Nathaniel Clyne for him to join United in the Summer. Out of contract with Palace, fee around 2/3m"

does anyone know how reliable this guy is?

GledTheRed · 19th March 2012, 20:41

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Originally Posted by 68-99-08

@ForeverUnitedRI has said on twitter we have agreed a deal in principle to sign Nathaniel Clyne:

"We have agreed a deal in principle with Nathaniel Clyne for him to join United in the Summer. Out of contract with Palace, fee around 2/3m"

does anyone know how reliable this guy is?

Sensible signing IMO.

68-99-08 · 19th March 2012, 20:46

Seems like such an apt signing right now given our recent transfer policy. Hopefully he is another player in the Chris Smalling mould who will seamlessly fit in, assuming he has actually signed.

SecondFig · 19th March 2012, 20:59

Got a friend who's a Palce fan who has been raving about Clyne for a couple of years, he's convinced that, long term, it's between Walker and Clyne for England

Sultan · 19th March 2012, 20:59

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Originally Posted by 68-99-08

@ForeverUnitedRI has said on twitter we have agreed a deal in principle to sign Nathaniel Clyne:

"We have agreed a deal in principle with Nathaniel Clyne for him to join United in the Summer. Out of contract with Palace, fee around 2/3m"

does anyone know how reliable this guy is?

Why should there be a fee if he's out of contract?

Brophs · 19th March 2012, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Why should there be a fee if he's out of contract?

It's one of those u23 compensation things, I'd guess.

JayWalker · 19th March 2012, 21:03

Hazard muppets rejoice!

68-99-08 · 19th March 2012, 21:03

This guy on twitter has went onto say that 'Jordi Alba is the next target to replace Evra'. I am curious to know how much ITK he really is?

Sultan · 19th March 2012, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Brophs

It's one of those u23 compensation things, I'd guess.

Would that really be as much as 2-3 Million?

Brophs · 19th March 2012, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Would that really be as much as 2-3 Million?

Dunno how it works, tbh.

Transfer United Till I Die · 19th March 2012, 21:11

Reading a few of his tweets, the guy is in dreamland. Can't comment of clyne but he's full of shit.

Beachryan · 19th March 2012, 21:24

Is our type of signing but yeah - looking at the Twitter account doesn't sound 'itk'.

NoLogo · 19th March 2012, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Brophs

Dunno how it works, tbh.

That would be really interesting to know. I think it has something to do with how many years a player is trained by a club since it's called and "education compensation" if I recall it right? So probably would make sense that the years he was educated/trained at a club under a certain age.

cj_sparky · 19th March 2012, 21:45

A few Palace fans I know, seemed to think that we had agreed some sort of deal in January for Clyne.

If we are in for him, it would be a good signing even at £2-3m. He has played in 130 games and he only turns 21 in April. He also fits it with the sort of players that we have been signing recently.

Transfer United Till I Die · 19th March 2012, 22:20

We are definitely looking at signing a right back this summer, but I'd think we'd be after someone more experienced to compliment rafael's youth and potential.

decorativeed · 19th March 2012, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Would that really be as much as 2-3 Million?

Exactly. Whenever we've been in Palace's situation we've got £300,000 - £500,000 for our players.

The Neviller · 19th March 2012, 22:41

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Originally Posted by decorativeed

Exactly. Whenever we've been in Palace's situation we've got £300,000 - £500,000 for our players.

Is there not something about their status within their particular club too though? Clyne having made so many appearances would presumably raise his figure higher than if it was a 20 year old kid knocking around their reserves. As it's a compensatory payment I think appearances and the players status are taken into account. Pretty sure I read this at some point, with regards to compensation for under-23's. I could be wrong about the appearances bit, but there are definitely things that raise the compensatory fee. Is there not a panel who decide on the amount of compensation?

Snow · 19th March 2012, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Would that really be as much as 2-3 Million?

I think that they United aren't even allowed to approach him until May. Something to do with the FA. But teams outside the country can.

The fee depends on the contract he's on I think. Sounds a bit much.

Snow · 19th March 2012, 22:47

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Originally Posted by 68-99-08

This guy on twitter has went onto say that 'Jordi Alba is the next target to replace Evra'. I am curious to know how much ITK he really is?

According to himself the Clyne bit was from a guy who knew a guy who knew Clyne. So if he's talking about Alba he's propelling shit by using his online mouth.

Snow · 19th March 2012, 22:59

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Originally Posted by The Neviller

Is there not something about their status within their particular club too though? Clyne having made so many appearances would presumably raise his figure higher than if it was a 20 year old kid knocking around their reserves. As it's a compensatory payment I think appearances and the players status are taken into account. Pretty sure I read this at some point, with regards to compensation for under-23's.

Might be true. Most players in Iceland sign contracts with clauses in them that say if a team abroad approaches them they are allowed to negotiate. It's not exactly known to people that aren't dealing with transfers directly. Breiðablik (an Icelandic team) got a lot of money, by Icelandic standards, when Gylfi was sold from Reading to Hoffenheim. He joined them when he was 15 and by definition is a home grown Reading player and trained in England yet I know for a fact that the transfer got Breiðablik more money than any other transfer has directly.

Damien1990 · 19th March 2012, 22:59

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Originally Posted by The Neviller

Is there not something about their status within their particular club too though? Clyne having made so many appearances would presumably raise his figure higher than if it was a 20 year old kid knocking around their reserves. As it's a compensatory payment I think appearances and the players status are taken into account. Pretty sure I read this at some point, with regards to compensation for under-23's.

Yep. I've read the same.

Crystal Palace co-chairman Steve Parish talked about the issue of Nathaniel Clyne and compensation a couple of months ago:

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EAGLES chief Steve Parish admits Nathaniel Clyne could leave Crystal Palace before the end of the month as the defender is still refusing to sign a new contract at Selhurst Park

Manchester United, Newcastle, Fulham and Aston Villa have all been linked with the England U21 international this month and Parish says the club would not be able to turn down any offer that met their valuation of the player.

"Nathaniel won't sign a new contract. I have offered him a very lucrative one and I can't force him to accept it," said Parish. "His agent has got Nathaniel running his contract down."

Should Clyne leave in the summer, Palace will get compensation as he is under 24 and came through the youth ranks. Parish will demand as much as possible for a player who has been tipped to go on and play for the senior England team.

"The situation is out of our control because we didn't give him his last contract as it was before the new consortium bought the club," said the chairman. "The thinking before was to give him a three-year deal and then they'd be entitled to compensation.

"That is something we will have to look at as and when someone makes us an offer this month or in the summer. We will expect to get a good deal in compensation. He is one of the best young players in the country and we'd expect to get something from a tribunal that would reflect that for a young player, plus all the add-ons.

"Nathaniel plays fantastically for us and we will get good money when he leaves. The way things have been done is not great but right now he is in the form of his life. He gives 150 per cent for us and if he sees out his contract, there is not much more you can ask for."

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/...ail/story.html

Not sure if it'd be as much as £2-3m but it would be a decent amount.

Team profile: http://www.cpfc.co.uk/page/ProfilesD...~45272,00.html

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Career History:

Season     Comp.    Apps (as sub)
2008-09    League     25 (1)
           FA Cup      3 (0)
2009-10    League     19 (3)
           FA Cup      5 (0)
           Lg Cup      1 (0)
2010-11    League     46 (0)
           FA Cup      1 (0)
           Lg Cup      2 (0)
2011-12    League     20 (0)
           FA Cup      3 (0)
Overall    League    110 (4)
           FA Cup     12 (0)
           Lg Cup      3 (0)
           Total     125 (4)

In 2010-11 he appeared in every single league game. In total he has over 100 appearances for them which is impressive considering he's just 20 years old. He signed his first professional contract in 2008 but I don't know whether he's been there longer than that or not. That will have an impact too.

He's appeared for his country in the U19s and U21s, is expected to challenge Walker for the right back slot in the long term and is also on the long-list for the GB Olympic Team squad. He's achieved so much at such a young age and that will all be taken into account when compensation is decided.

antohan · 19th March 2012, 23:19

I don't understand why we need a right back. We have Rafael and between him and Fabio they should be able to make that slot their own and if both are injured we have capable cover. If we are looking at any defenders they should be LBs, Evra hasn't been his usual self, is getting on and I don't see Fabio on the left TBH.

Snow · 19th March 2012, 23:24

Probably because we have Fabio to play on the left and the left is way harder to come by so it's easier to get a 2nd right back. IMO we only need a 4th full back and our defense is fine.

Ekeke · 19th March 2012, 23:37

Rafael is a right back, Fabio has played more often on the right than left in the last 18 months, Jones had his best spell on the right or in midfield. Smalling can cover the position but is clearly better at CB. If Evans can play left back he can certainly play right.

With Fabio being the most injury prone and Evra's form, clearly the left should be priority. But I think I read before that Clyne can play there, even if he's clearly more of a right back.

The Neviller · 19th March 2012, 23:42

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Originally Posted by antohan

I don't understand why we need a right back. We have Rafael and between him and Fabio they should be able to make that slot their own and if both are injured we have capable cover. If we are looking at any defenders they should be LBs, Evra hasn't been his usual self, is getting on and I don't see Fabio on the left TBH.

Does he play left-back too? *I'm pretty sure I saw him play left-back for one of the England youth teams at some point, and can vaguely remember reading something where he said he was comfortable playing there too*. Maybe he's one of these players who can cover either side, a la Denis Irwin. Would be good having a couple of full-backs equally adept at playing either side in Fabio and Clyne, as cover for our first choice full-backs.

*I await your confirmation of this Damien.

Ralaks · 19th March 2012, 23:43

He'd be a good buy and from what I (well okay from what FM tells me) he can play on both sides, which is a very good trait imo. Definately has a bright future.

Damien1990 · 19th March 2012, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Ralaks

He'd be a good buy and from what I (well okay from what FM tells me) he can play on both sides, which is a very good trait imo. Definately has a bright future.

Yep, Soccer Manager also says the same thing.

Spoiler

But as for something a bit more solid...

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Originally Posted by The Neviller

Does he play left-back too? *I'm pretty sure I saw him play left-back for one of the England youth teams at some point, and can vaguely remember reading something where he said he was comfortable playing there too*. Maybe he's one of these players who can cover either side, a la Denis Irwin. Would be good having a couple of full-backs equally adept at playing either side in Fabio and Clyne, as cover for our first choice full-backs.

*I await your confirmation of this Damien.

You are correct. It was his first U21 cap in fact:

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Clyne, who regularly plays at right-back for his club, was given a chance a left-back following injuries to Nathan Baker and Joe Bennett, but says he’s happy to play anywhere as he eyes another cap against the Belgians.

“I didn’t really expect to start, but due to injuries I got myself in there,” said the former England U19s player. “I worked hard in training to try and get myself into the team and I grabbed it with both hands. Hopefully I have done enough to secure a place for the next game.

“I can do a job at left-back but I am predominantly a right-back. It’s always good to have another position under your belt and if called upon I can always do a job at left back, no problem.”

http://www.thefa.com/England/mens-un...-clyne-preview

Last paragraph is key and corroborates what you remember reading. He's predominantly a right back and prefers to play there, but can also play at left back too.

And I agree it is useful to have another versatile full back, just like Fabio is, and Rafael has played at left back once or twice too.

The Neviller · 20th March 2012, 00:03

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Originally Posted by Damien1990

Yep, Soccer Manager also says the same thing.

Spoiler

But as for something a bit more solid...

You are correct. It was his first U21 cap in fact:

http://www.thefa.com/England/mens-un...-clyne-preview

Last paragraph is key and corroborates what you remember reading. He's predominantly a right back and prefers to play there, but can also play at left back too.

And I agree it is useful to have another versatile full back, just like Fabio is, and Rafael has played at left back once or twice too.

I would doubt if I saw England v Belgium under-19's on the telly, so I must have just read it somewhere. Cheers Damo.

Edit: it wasn't the Belgians he played there against I see, reading it again. Who was it against Damien? Could I have seen it on the telly or did I just read it somewhere?

Damien1990 · 20th March 2012, 00:12

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Originally Posted by The Neviller

I would doubt if I saw England v Belgium under-19's on the telly, so I must have just read it somewhere. Cheers Damo.

Edit: it wasn't the Belgians he played there against I see, reading it again. Who was it against Damien? Could I have seen it on the telly or did I just read it somewhere?

It was Iceland U21. Mentions it in the article.

Crystal Palace fans talk about his performance here: http://www.cpfc.org/forums/archive/i.../t-226467.html

They talk about both the Iceland and Belgium game there. He played left back in both. The match you saw may have been another one but not sure if he's played for the U21s other than those two matches so the match you're thinking of may have been for the U19s.

The Neviller · 20th March 2012, 00:40

Good man Damien.

If he can play both left and right back then it sounds like a good move to me. He's looked handy when I've saw him, is young and English. And for £2-3mil he's a decent price too.

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26th January 2012, 20:57	#165 (permalink)
forevrared Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,973	Twins in general, including our Da Silva variety, are genetically prone to injury as when the zygote splits into two embryos, only half of the cellular regeneration properties are transferred to each embryo. This results in more injuries for each twin in their lives (as well their hair, fingernails and teeth will tend to grow slower). It's a scientific fact, and the main reason I was so vehemently opposed to signing a set of twins in the first place.Please note that I am not a doctor and the book I obtained these facts from may or may not have been legitimate. Consult your physician.

26th January 2012, 21:10	#166 (permalink)
Excal Chica Time! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: California in RL, Liverpool in SM Posts: 7,971	But when we play them both together, their twin telepathy (also scientific fact) could be a big help in link up play.

19th March 2012, 20:40	#171 (permalink)
68-99-08 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 877	@ForeverUnitedRI has said on twitter we have agreed a deal in principle to sign Nathaniel Clyne: "We have agreed a deal in principle with Nathaniel Clyne for him to join United in the Summer. Out of contract with Palace, fee around 2/3m" does anyone know how reliable this guy is?

19th March 2012, 20:46	#173 (permalink)
68-99-08 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 877	Seems like such an apt signing right now given our recent transfer policy. Hopefully he is another player in the Chris Smalling mould who will seamlessly fit in, assuming he has actually signed.

19th March 2012, 20:59	#174 (permalink)
SecondFig First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ▲ You Are Here? - Maybe you think we were all a sheet in the wind's eye. But I'll tell you I was sober Posts: 5,719	Got a friend who's a Palce fan who has been raving about Clyne for a couple of years, he's convinced that, long term, it's between Walker and Clyne for England

19th March 2012, 21:03	#177 (permalink)
JayWalker Ball Spotter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Still got the blues for you.. RIP The Loner. Hull City. Posts: 25,558	Hazard muppets rejoice!

19th March 2012, 21:03	#178 (permalink)
68-99-08 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 877	This guy on twitter has went onto say that 'Jordi Alba is the next target to replace Evra'. I am curious to know how much ITK he really is?

19th March 2012, 21:11	#181 (permalink)
Transfer United Till I Die I am totally in the know, honest Join Date: May 2006 Location: pessimismium Posts: 7,651	Reading a few of his tweets, the guy is in dreamland. Can't comment of clyne but he's full of shit.

19th March 2012, 21:24	#182 (permalink)
Beachryan Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,360	Is our type of signing but yeah - looking at the Twitter account doesn't sound 'itk'.

19th March 2012, 21:45	#184 (permalink)
cj_sparky Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: "At times when I've watched him, I wonder if he's being controlled by a 10 year old in the crowd with a playstation console" Gary Neville talking about David Luiz Posts: 4,068	A few Palace fans I know, seemed to think that we had agreed some sort of deal in January for Clyne. If we are in for him, it would be a good signing even at £2-3m. He has played in 130 games and he only turns 21 in April. He also fits it with the sort of players that we have been signing recently.

19th March 2012, 22:20	#185 (permalink)
Transfer United Till I Die I am totally in the know, honest Join Date: May 2006 Location: pessimismium Posts: 7,651	We are definitely looking at signing a right back this summer, but I'd think we'd be after someone more experienced to compliment rafael's youth and potential.

19th March 2012, 23:19	#192 (permalink)
antohan First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montevideo Posts: 5,919	I don't understand why we need a right back. We have Rafael and between him and Fabio they should be able to make that slot their own and if both are injured we have capable cover. If we are looking at any defenders they should be LBs, Evra hasn't been his usual self, is getting on and I don't see Fabio on the left TBH.

19th March 2012, 23:24	#193 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 12,319	Probably because we have Fabio to play on the left and the left is way harder to come by so it's easier to get a 2nd right back. IMO we only need a 4th full back and our defense is fine.

19th March 2012, 23:37	#194 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,739	Rafael is a right back, Fabio has played more often on the right than left in the last 18 months, Jones had his best spell on the right or in midfield. Smalling can cover the position but is clearly better at CB. If Evans can play left back he can certainly play right. With Fabio being the most injury prone and Evra's form, clearly the left should be priority. But I think I read before that Clyne can play there, even if he's clearly more of a right back.

19th March 2012, 23:43	#196 (permalink)
Ralaks Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,970	He'd be a good buy and from what I (well okay from what FM tells me) he can play on both sides, which is a very good trait imo. Definately has a bright future.

20th March 2012, 00:40	#200 (permalink)
The Neviller First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 8,357	Good man Damien. If he can play both left and right back then it sounds like a good move to me. He's looked handy when I've saw him, is young and English. And for £2-3mil he's a decent price too.