Villa And Silva Ready To Sacrifice Themselves For The Club

sincher · 7th June 2008, 15:04

I'd quite like to buy a Villa in Spain, which is sort of similar to buying Villa from Spain.

Ekeke · 7th June 2008, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Keyzer Soze

I would tend to think we should keep them as well, its not like we have been unsuccessful without them. I was just saying it was not guaranteed... Fergie and Quieroz will do what they thinks best.

Well... Its a bit like saying we might sell Ferdinand and Ronaldo, hoping to improve the side. The tactics were as important as the personnel.

For me, we'll either play the same way with Rooney and Tevez, or we'll play the same way as with Saha and Rooney. I expect it would be a mistake to mess around with what has worked so well.

Cupid Stunt · 7th June 2008, 15:29

I don't know why some people are dismissing Villa for the reason that he is a small striker and we already have small striker's. Strikers are not defined in style by big and small, they're defined mostly by their movement.

I think we can agree at times we need a different option to Rooney and Tevez who are both naturally similar in their movement, and as a consequence of that we sometimes lack penetration aswell as a player who can comfortably play upfront on his own at the highest level. This is why Ronaldo is favoured up front in Europe when we play a more thought out counter attacking style.

I haven't heard SAF or Queiroz say we need a big target man type striker as foil for either Rooney or Tevez. However SAF has said he feels a out and out centre forward for Rooney to play off would perhaps get the best out of him, I don't see why Villa cant be this striker. Queiroz has also not said we need a big striker, CQ said we need a player with different movement to Rooney and Tevez.

IMO Villa would be as close to ideal as you could get, add another 5 inches on top and what more could you ask for? He stretches defences and creates space for flair players. He scores all types of goals and is proven as a striker that can lead the line at the highest level for club and country.

I think the reason why Spain prefer to play Fabregas inbehind Torres is because Torres and Villa make the same runs to the detrement of each other and the fluidity of the national team and Torres is the type of player we wouldnt have minded before he joined the dippers.

Villa is small, but he is a different type of player to Rooney and Tevez, and he would be a good signing for us and would give us the penetration we sometimes lack. Villa would add another dimension to our team and stop us being a predictable team that plays all it's football infront of the defence, which we sometimes are.

KeyserSoze · 7th June 2008, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Well... Its a bit like saying we might sell Ferdinand and Ronaldo, hoping to improve the side. The tactics were as important as the personnel.

Its absolutely nothing like saying that at all. Tactics always change, even from game to game at times last season. Results, personnel and performances dictate tactics not the past.

Drifter · 14th June 2008, 14:23

Valencia have played down any talk of star striker David Villa leaving the club by insisting that the Spaniard is not for sale, according to website Goal.com.

Reports had suggested that Valencia had priced the striker for around €40 million; however the Spanish club insist that Villa is not for sale, for any amount of money.

Villa had been subject to speculation before Euro 2008 and after his impressive hat-trick in Spain’s first game against Russia, rumours intensified to such a level that nearly all the top European clubs were being linked with a move.

However, any move is unlikely to materialise now after Valencia manager Unai Emery told press: “This player is not on the market,I have demanded continuity in regards to Villa and Silva and I am confident that I will get it.

“The club have made it clear that the pair are not for sale.

“They are key to my plans for the future and there absence would be a problem.

“It is normal that the big European clubs are interested in Villa, but we are determined to fight to keep him in Valencia.”

Reports claim that Chelsea thought Villa was on his way to Stamford Bridge before Euro 2008 in a £20 million move, however Villa is now thought to be worth around £30 million. However, with Emery looking to improve the team after Valencia’s poor La Liga finish, it may take something very special to make the Copa del Rey champions sell up.

Well that's that then.

fanutd · 14th June 2008, 14:25

more like they are already letting us know that getting villa won't be cheap. They can't say come have him, they seem to be already making it quite visible that he won't come cheap.

Donut · 14th June 2008, 14:31

Valencia are in turmoil, they will sell for big money.

Spoonov · 14th June 2008, 14:31

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Originally Posted by Drifter

“It is normal that the big European clubs are interested in Villa, but we are determined to fight to keep him in Valencia.”[/b]

They've got huge debts. More than us, that's for sure(percentage). Plus they're building a state of the art stadium. Clearly they'll cash in on a decent offer.

Donut · 15th June 2008, 15:34

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...693685,00.html

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Spanish star David Villa has hinted he would like to move to Liverpool, if he heads to England this summer.

The Valencia striker has lit up Euro 2008 with four goals in their opening two group games.

A host of clubs are tracking Villa with Liverpool and Chelsea reported to be heading the queue for the diminutive front-man.

Villa, who has linked up so well with current Reds star Fernando Torres for Spain, admits he would be tempted by the prospect of playing with him on a weekly basis.

"Liverpool and Chelsea are both big clubs with a lot of attraction," he told the News of the World.

Villa also admitted that Liverpool's Spanish coach Rafa Benitez could play a big role in attracting him as he tried to sign him earlier in his career.

"Liverpool have a Spanish coach and I also have a lot of friends there," he said.

"When Rafa was coach at Valencia and I was at Zaragoza there was contact about me joining Valencia but I couldn't arrive until the year after he left there."

Shit.

AttackingFlair · 15th June 2008, 15:40

Villa has talked shit about Chelsea before their clashes in the Champions League. I think he'd prefer any of the top clubs in England apart from Chelsea.

Ekeke · 15th June 2008, 15:43

He's also alledgedly said he likes Arsenal most.

Drifter · 15th June 2008, 15:44

If the dippers get him.They will have a lethal pairing up front.Hope we show some interest.

Ekeke · 15th June 2008, 15:46

I'd be shocked if Liverpool managed to get him. Partly because it would be their whole budget on one player.

M160RA · 15th June 2008, 16:35

I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool got him.

I think he'd be good for us, despite his small stature. We need a more clinical finisher more desperately than we need someone who is good in the air, IMO.

lao · 15th June 2008, 16:40

A double swoop would be perfect for Liverpool, so here's hoping that won't happen.

peterstorey · 15th June 2008, 16:45

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Originally Posted by sincher

I'd quite like to buy a Villa in Spain, which is sort of similar to buying Villa from Spain.

Both sound more like castles in Spain.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th June 2008, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

He's also alledgedly said he likes Arsenal most.

It's not just alleged. He said it in an interview with the BBC. about a month or so ago.

Brwned · 15th June 2008, 17:22

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

I'd be shocked if Liverpool managed to get him. Partly because it would be their whole budget on one player.

So you know how much Liverpool have in their transfer budget then?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th June 2008, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

I don't know why some people are dismissing Villa for the reason that he is a small striker and we already have small striker's. Strikers are not defined in style by big and small, they're defined mostly by their movement.

We have small strikers who have the one quality all our lead forwards under Fergie have had. Physical presence and the ability to hold up the ball to bring others into play. Villa is dimissed because he possess neither of these qualities.

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

I think we can agree at times we need a different option to Rooney and Tevez who are both naturally similar in their movement, and as a consequence of that we sometimes lack penetration aswell as a player who can comfortably play upfront on his own at the highest level. This is why Ronaldo is favoured up front in Europe when we play a more thought out counter attacking style.

Exactly. Therefore it should be beyond clear that a Villa can not play upfront on his own. going by your above statement.

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

I haven't heard SAF or Queiroz say we need a big target man type striker as foil for either Rooney or Tevez. However SAF has said he feels a out and out centre forward for Rooney to play off would perhaps get the best out of him, I don't see why Villa cant be this striker. Queiroz has also not said we need a big striker, CQ said we need a player with different movement to Rooney and Tevez.

If it was a case of merely singing an alternate to Tevez and Rooney we could as well just sign Owen from Newcastle. What we need is Saha's replacement. A player with physical presence, capable of leading the line and capable of top draw hold up play. Who is a better finisher than Rooney. The only thing Villa can do that Rooney can't is finish well. Thus he simply wont do. He doesn't posses all the other qualities a Saha has.

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

IMO Villa would be as close to ideal as you could get, add another 5 inches on top and what more could you ask for? He stretches defences and creates space for flair players. He scores all types of goals and is proven as a striker that can lead the line at the highest level for club and country.

Judging from your above statement. You clearly do not know the type and style of striker that have lead the line for United under Fergie. Since he arrived at OT till now. For if you did. It would be too clear to you that Villa simply isn't even close.

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

Villa is small, but he is a different type of player to Rooney and Tevez, and he would be a good signing for us and would give us the penetration we sometimes lack. Villa would add another dimension to our team and stop us being a predictable team that plays all it's football infront of the defence, which we sometimes are.

Villa would add absolutely nothing extra to what we have upfront apart from goals. He would still be the same small, mobile striker we already have. Only this time one without any physical presence whatsoever. The same ones with whom we some times lack penetration. The type of penetration a fully fit Saha used to give us. What we really need is a forward of Saha's type.. Not a physically weaker but more clinical version of Tevez and Rooney

Ekeke · 15th June 2008, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Brwned

So you know how much Liverpool have in their transfer budget then?

Considering they took a loan to afford a £26 million Torres last year (including a player in exchange) its safe to guess they won't have more than the £30 million or so it'll take to sign Villa.

Unless of course they sell Gerrard or Torres... Or Pennant.

Oh and chief, you'll be hard pressed to find a striker who leads the line for his club like Villa who brings others into play better than him. He's absolutely fantastic at it.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th June 2008, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

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Oh and chief, you'll be hard pressed to find a striker who leads the line for his club like Villa who brings others into play better than him. He's absolutely fantastic at it.

I watch him enough to know that is bullshit. His hold up play is none existent.The most key component in leading the line for a club like United.

Ekeke · 15th June 2008, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I watch him enough to know that is bullshit. His hold up play is none existent.They mos key component in leading the line for a club like United.

His link up play is brilliant, hence his superb record of setting up goals for team mates. He also commonly wins freekicks when holding up the ball. The same as Torres.

Name Changed · 15th June 2008, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

His link up play is brilliant, hence his superb record of setting up goals for team mates. He also commonly wins freekicks when holding up the ball. The same as Torres.

Villa's link up play is good. His finishing is outstanding.

I don't know why Chelski, Arsenal and Liverpool are being linked with him heavily and not us. He could be devastating for us.

Ekeke · 15th June 2008, 18:52

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Originally Posted by Name Changed

Villa's link up play is good. His finishing is outstanding.

I don't know why Chelski, Arsenal and Liverpool are being linked with him heavily and not us. He could be devastating for us.

I agree he would.

I think the press are caught in the same mind set as a lot of people - ie. Rooney and Tevez are short, they couldnt possibly want another player smaller than 6'2.

Didnt stop them linking us with Michael Owen mind you. But hey, they probably aren't the most intelligent group of people.

I cant remember who it was, but one of our resident Arsenal fans said it well. The main thing is that we get a player who plays on the last shoulder of the defender and is a much better finisher than Rooney and Tevez - height is a bonus.

Sam#1 · 15th June 2008, 18:54

I'm surprised we haven't been linked with him.

We wouldn't get him, but surely it would sell a few papers?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th June 2008, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

His link up play is brilliant, hence his superb record of setting up goals for team mates.

So what? Link up play is not remotely related to hold up play. We already have players who can link up play just as well, and in fact better than he.,

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

He also commonly wins freekicks when holding up the ball. The same as Torres.

Hold up play is not only about winning free kicks. Villa's hold up play, I repeat is pretty much none existent. Because he has no physical presence.

Ekeke · 15th June 2008, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

So what? Link up play is not remotely related to hold up play. We already have players who can link up play just as well, and in fact better than he.,

Hold up play is not only about winning free kicks. Villa's hold up play, I repeat is pretty much none existent. Because he has no physical presence.

He does pretty much the same thing as Torres for the most part. Ball into his feet, opponent behind him - buy a freekick.

Its been very easy to see for Spain.

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sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 13,704	I'd quite like to buy a Villa in Spain, which is sort of similar to buying Villa from Spain.

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Cupid Stunt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: "In that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a shit hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a shit hanging from a stick." Posts: 1,524	I don't know why some people are dismissing Villa for the reason that he is a small striker and we already have small striker's. Strikers are not defined in style by big and small, they're defined mostly by their movement. I think we can agree at times we need a different option to Rooney and Tevez who are both naturally similar in their movement, and as a consequence of that we sometimes lack penetration aswell as a player who can comfortably play upfront on his own at the highest level. This is why Ronaldo is favoured up front in Europe when we play a more thought out counter attacking style. I haven't heard SAF or Queiroz say we need a big target man type striker as foil for either Rooney or Tevez. However SAF has said he feels a out and out centre forward for Rooney to play off would perhaps get the best out of him, I don't see why Villa cant be this striker. Queiroz has also not said we need a big striker, CQ said we need a player with different movement to Rooney and Tevez. IMO Villa would be as close to ideal as you could get, add another 5 inches on top and what more could you ask for? He stretches defences and creates space for flair players. He scores all types of goals and is proven as a striker that can lead the line at the highest level for club and country. I think the reason why Spain prefer to play Fabregas inbehind Torres is because Torres and Villa make the same runs to the detrement of each other and the fluidity of the national team and Torres is the type of player we wouldnt have minded before he joined the dippers. Villa is small, but he is a different type of player to Rooney and Tevez, and he would be a good signing for us and would give us the penetration we sometimes lack. Villa would add another dimension to our team and stop us being a predictable team that plays all it's football infront of the defence, which we sometimes are.

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Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 16,760	Valencia have played down any talk of star striker David Villa leaving the club by insisting that the Spaniard is not for sale, according to website Goal.com. Reports had suggested that Valencia had priced the striker for around €40 million; however the Spanish club insist that Villa is not for sale, for any amount of money. Villa had been subject to speculation before Euro 2008 and after his impressive hat-trick in Spain’s first game against Russia, rumours intensified to such a level that nearly all the top European clubs were being linked with a move. However, any move is unlikely to materialise now after Valencia manager Unai Emery told press: “This player is not on the market,I have demanded continuity in regards to Villa and Silva and I am confident that I will get it. “The club have made it clear that the pair are not for sale. “They are key to my plans for the future and there absence would be a problem. “It is normal that the big European clubs are interested in Villa, but we are determined to fight to keep him in Valencia.” Reports claim that Chelsea thought Villa was on his way to Stamford Bridge before Euro 2008 in a £20 million move, however Villa is now thought to be worth around £30 million. However, with Emery looking to improve the team after Valencia’s poor La Liga finish, it may take something very special to make the Copa del Rey champions sell up. Well that's that then.

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fanutd Trainee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Yankland Posts: 77	more like they are already letting us know that getting villa won't be cheap. They can't say come have him, they seem to be already making it quite visible that he won't come cheap.

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Donut Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Champions! Posts: 548	Valencia are in turmoil, they will sell for big money.

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 2,551	Villa has talked shit about Chelsea before their clashes in the Champions League. I think he'd prefer any of the top clubs in England apart from Chelsea.

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Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 16,760	If the dippers get him.They will have a lethal pairing up front.Hope we show some interest.

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Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,694	I'd be shocked if Liverpool managed to get him. Partly because it would be their whole budget on one player.

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M160RA Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,702	I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool got him. I think he'd be good for us, despite his small stature. We need a more clinical finisher more desperately than we need someone who is good in the air, IMO.

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lao A Real Cock Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrounded by Swedish Pussies. Posts: 2,101	A double swoop would be perfect for Liverpool, so here's hoping that won't happen.

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