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Old 7th May 2008, 00:12   #121 (permalink)
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Quality - Torres, Benzema, Eto'o and Adebayor, I think they would all be better and they have Champions League experience which always helps

Attitude - I've seen him throw a strop plenty of times this season, didn't he also throw his shirt at the bench as he was being subbed. The bloke has a terrible attitude. He also has zero loyality to Tottenham and has spent this whole season whoring himself to other teams.
Price - You'll be lucky to get him for 25 million, 30-35 million at the least I would say, as for his wages 100k +

Age - He's 27 so at the very most has about 10 years left playing at the highest level, that's if he is lucky too, Benzema is only 20. I think in 5 years Berbatov will have peaked and be on the decline and will be worth significantly less, in 5 years Benzema would not have reached his prime.

1) Berbatov has Champions League experience, and those players you have listed are all unrealistic, bar Eto'o.
Torres? Are you serious? Afther the whole Heinz affair, do you really think they would sell their best player?
Adebayor? Arsenal already turned down an offer last season. Why would they sell their top scorer? Especially to their main rivals.
Benzema? Doesn't seem attracted to the PL for some strange reason.

2) I agree that Berbatov's attitude is questionable. However I do feel he would be very happy at OT, and under SAF, I wouldn't forecast any Berbatov attitude problems.

3) United already have a relatively young strikeforce. Why wait for seasons to come anyway; Berbatov is already in his prime.
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:13   #122 (permalink)
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Exactly but Berbatov is, does that not say something to you?
That it's completely useless comparing the two?
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:17   #123 (permalink)
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Quality - Torres, Benzema, Eto'o and Adebayor, I think they would all be better and they have Champions League experience which always helps

Attitude - I've seen him throw a strop plenty of times this season, didn't he also throw his shirt at the bench as he was being subbed. The bloke has a terrible attitude. He also has zero loyality to Tottenham and has spent this whole season whoring himself to other teams.

Price - You'll be lucky to get him for 25 million, 30-35 million at the least I would say, as for his wages 100k +

Age - He's 27 so at the very most has about 10 years left playing at the highest level, that's if he is lucky too, Benzema is only 20. I think in 5 years Berbatov will have peaked and be on the decline and will be worth significantly less, in 5 years Benzema would not have reached his prime.
1) You are talking about players that play for other "big" clubs, who are not available. I dont disagree that some are probably better all round players than him, but none are as intelligent, and none are as available.

2) Rooney throws his shirt at the bench, Ronaldo wasnt happy when he got taken off after spanking you lot, big players dont like losing. Fergie is a master of the egotistical footballer, there is nobody who has the experience he has with footballers. Ramos has done pretty well with Berbatov considering they dont speak the same language. He has always come across as quite reserved in interviews that i have heard, and thats what i would base my judgement on, not his occasionally "sluggish" style or attitude.

3) Tottenham know they will be selling him this summer, he has been respectful and not thrown strops about a transfer. They have to accept that it is his time, and they will. He is 27, so Spurs will not get a fee of 30 million, nobody bar Chelsea and maybe Real Madrid would pay that, and they will probably be in for other targets ie Eto'o. Madrid have changed philosophy's and seem to be investing in youth as opposed to older players, they probably wont pay big big money like you are talking.

4) Nobody would expect Berbatov to last ten years, 7 or 8 years, which would be the best of his career would be good value for money considering what he would (arguably) bring to the team. Benzema is not really an option considering his resistance to a move to us, Berbatov his though, will Fergie want to settle for anything less (somebody outside of these two) in possibly his last 5 years (if that) as manager? I think not.
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:18   #124 (permalink)
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Easier to keep Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov happy in Manchester United, than keeping Keane, Berbatov, Bent and Modric(earlier Defoe) happy in Tottenham Hotspur.

Tevez is not some diva craving to play 90 minutes two games a week. Rooney will obviously want to play as much as possible, and Berbatov would be our main centre forward, at least when composure and stature is more important than acceleration. You could also play all three of them if you want to. Manucho as the fourth option/second bencher would have no problem to watch and learn.
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:19   #125 (permalink)
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Easier to keep Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov happy in Manchester United, than keeping Keane, Berbatov, Bent and Modric(earlier Defoe) happy in Tottenham Hotspur.

Tevez is not some diva craving to play 90 minutes two games a week. Rooney will obviously want to play as much as possible, and Berbatov would be our main centre forward, at least when composure and stature is more important than acceleration. You could also play all three of them if you want to. Manucho as the fourth option/second bencher would have no problem to watch and learn.
If you think Tevez will be happy to play second fiddle to Rooney and Berbatov, you're wrong.
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:20   #126 (permalink)
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1) You are talking about players that play for other "big" clubs, who are not available. I dont disagree that some are probably better all round players than him, but none are as intelligent, and none are as available.

2) Rooney throws his shirt at the bench, Ronaldo wasnt happy when he got taken off after spanking you lot, big players dont like losing. Fergie is a master of the egotistical footballer, there is nobody who has the experience he has with footballers. Ramos has done pretty well with Berbatov considering they dont speak the same language. He has always come across as quite reserved in interviews that i have heard, and thats what i would base my judgement on, not his occasionally "sluggish" style or attitude.

3) Tottenham know they will be selling him this summer, he has been respectful and not thrown strops about a transfer. They have to accept that it is his time, and they will. He is 27, so Spurs will not get a fee of 30 million, nobody bar Chelsea and maybe Real Madrid would pay that, and they will probably be in for other targets ie Eto'o. Madrid have changed philosophy's and seem to be investing in youth as opposed to older players, they probably wont pay big big money like you are talking.

4) Nobody would expect Berbatov to last ten years, 7 or 8 years, which would be the best of his career would be good value for money considering what he would (arguably) bring to the team. Benzema is not really an option considering his resistance to a move to us, Berbatov his though, will Fergie want to settle for anything less (somebody outside of these two) in possibly his last 5 years (if that) as manager? I think not.

Thats a really good point there.
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:21   #127 (permalink)
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I ask to all these pro Berbatov...

How do you think we'll manage to keep him, Tevez and Rooney all happy?

Especially considering what a twat he seems, I'm pretty sure he'll demand to play all the time.
I dont think he would, he does not throw strops like Eto'o.

With games midweek and at weekends, then the world club championship, there are going to be plenty of fixtures for three strikers, thats not accounting injuries either (Rooney).

He will be doing bench time whichever big club he goes to, he might have objected at Tottenham but he knows he will have to make sacrifices for greater rewards, Fergie is a master at this anyways.
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:22   #128 (permalink)
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If you think Tevez will be happy to play second fiddle to Rooney and Berbatov, you're wrong.
At no point did he say Tevez will play "second fiddle".
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If you think Tevez will be happy to play second fiddle to Rooney and Berbatov, you're wrong.
Tevez has been playing "second fiddle" to Rooney all season.
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If you think Tevez will be happy to play second fiddle to Rooney and Berbatov, you're wrong.
We play 4-3-3 as well, remember?

Its not as if he is vying for one position and one position only with Rooney.
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At no point did he say Tevez will play "second fiddle".
Very much implied it.

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Tevez has been playing second fiddle to Rooney all season.
They've played together most of the time.
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Old 7th May 2008, 00:26   #132 (permalink)
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Tevez has been playing "second fiddle" to Rooney all season.
This also, is true.
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1) You are talking about players that play for other "big" clubs, who are not available. I dont disagree that some are probably better all round players than him, but none are as intelligent, and none are as available.
Every player is available it just comes down to offering the right price

If it's intelligence your after there are many more options, Ashton is a much more intelligent player than Berbatov. Though Berbatov is better in other area's but then if it is just intelligence there you go.

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2) Rooney throws his shirt at the bench, Ronaldo wasnt happy when he got taken off after spanking you lot, big players dont like losing. Fergie is a master of the egotistical footballer, there is nobody who has the experience he has with footballers. Ramos has done pretty well with Berbatov considering they dont speak the same language. He has always come across as quite reserved in interviews that i have heard, and thats what i would base my judgement on, not his occasionally "sluggish" style or attitude
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Rooney and Ronaldo do it because they want to help Manchester United achieve, Berbatov does it because he thinks he is better than being subbed and he can't whore himslef out if he isn't playing.

I think the reason that Berbatov and Ramos have got on well is that Ramos knows he is leaving and respects that

Yes Fergusson has had some troubled players in his time but I don't think he can change every player. He probably could change Berbatov's attitude but it's not guaranteed.

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3) Tottenham know they will be selling him this summer, he has been respectful and not thrown strops about a transfer. They have to accept that it is his time, and they will. He is 27, so Spurs will not get a fee of 30 million, nobody bar Chelsea and maybe Real Madrid would pay that, and they will probably be in for other targets ie Eto'o. Madrid have changed philosophy's and seem to be investing in youth as opposed to older players, they probably wont pay big big money like you are talking.
I think it is very disrespectful to Tottenham what Berbatov has done and it shows he has no respect to the club paying his wages. He ism ore interested in himself

Who knows what fee they will get, Spurs wont let him go for cheap, I don't think he would go for under 30 million even though I don't think he is worth that

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4) Nobody would expect Berbatov to last ten years, 7 or 8 years, which would be the best of his career would be good value for money considering what he would (arguably) bring to the team. Benzema is not really an option considering his resistance to a move to us, Berbatov his though, will Fergie want to settle for anything less (somebody outside of these two) in possibly his last 5 years (if that) as manager? I think not
I think SAF has other targets in mind, who I don't know I think he will suprise everyone though
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They've played together most of the time.
I rest my case.
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Rooney-Berbatov
Nani------------Ronaldo

Rooney-Tevez
Nani-----------Ronaldo

Berbatov-Tevez
Nani------------Ronaldo

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Berbatov
Rooney---Ronaldo

Rooney
Tevez----Ronaldo

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442:

Rooney-Berbatov
Nani------------Ronaldo

Rooney-Tevez
Nani-----------Ronaldo

Berbatov-Tevez
Nani------------Ronaldo

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Berbatov
Rooney---Ronaldo

Rooney
Tevez----Ronaldo

Berbatov
Tevez-----Rooney
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Every player is available it just comes down to offering the right price

If it's intelligence your after there are many more options, Ashton is a much more intelligent player than Berbatov. Though Berbatov is better in other area's but then if it is just intelligence there you go.

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Rooney and Ronaldo do it because they want to help Manchester United achieve, Berbatov does it because he thinks he is better than being subbed and he can't whore himslef out if he isn't playing.

I think the reason that Berbatov and Ramos have got on well is that Ramos knows he is leaving and respects that

Yes Fergusson has had some troubled players in his time but I don't think he can change every player. He probably could change Berbatov's attitude but it's not guaranteed.



I think it is very disrespectful to Tottenham what Berbatov has done and it shows he has no respect to the club paying his wages. He ism ore interested in himself

Who knows what fee they will get, Spurs wont let him go for cheap, I don't think he would go for under 30 million even though I don't think he is worth that



I think SAF has other targets in mind, who I don't know I think he will suprise everyone though
Ashton is intelligent, but you saying he is more intelligent than Berbatov on a football field is ridiculous. You have been very good up until now, but that is a bit of a silly suggestion, as it is your very own pretty unpopular view. Berbatov has assists to back him up, and i know Ashton has not played much this season but pull the other one.

I think he has given Tottenham good times, and deserves his transfer after helping them to a rare piece of silverware and some great football. I dont know what age you are living in, footballers leave clubs. He deserves to showcase his talent, he doesnt owe it to Tottenham. I can respect what Shearer did at Newcastle, but at the end of the day if Berbatov is ambitious and wants to prove himself then why cant he ask for a move (like Carrick) (in private)? Its not as if Tottenham were his boyhood club. They will make a packet on him anyways.

Berbatovs attitude is a bit of a myth, he can be petulant, like most footballers including Henry, Rooney, Ronaldo, Cantona etc. He has not made negative statements about the club or manager, the trademark of a true rebel ie Eto'o. Even near the end, when Jol was shit, Berbatov kept pretty quiet.

If he is winning trophies, playing in important games, with great players then he wont complain. I dont know anyone in the world who is that big headed, maybe Mayweather, but Berbatov doesnt come across half that arrogant, more a little misunderstood.
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£35 million for a 27 (will be nearing 28 come the Summer) year old, is ridiculous.
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£35 million for a 27 (will be nearing 28 come the Summer) year old, is ridiculous.
Would you spend £46m on a 29 year old midfielder?
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£35 million for a 27 (will be nearing 28 come the Summer) year old, is ridiculous.
SAF wouldn't pay that much.

35m where did you pull that price from?
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Would you spend £46m on a 29 year old midfielder?
No.

Although, Zidane was one of the greatest players of his generation. Still, silly money.
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SAF wouldn't pay that much.

35m where did you pull that price from?
Tottenham have said £30 million +, and considering the amount of clubs that will be interested, AC Milan, Chelsea, Real etc, they'll get it.
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Would you spend £46m on a 29 year old midfielder?
If his name was Zidane
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I'd never have a hope of financing it tbh. I'd have to sell my car, for one. Then probablyt ask for a lend, as well as saving up. It'd take weeks.
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£35 million for a 27 (will be nearing 28 come the Summer) year old, is ridiculous.

Its a big carousel of the same points going around again and again...

Read the replies, he wont go for that, nobody will pay 35 million.

That would be the third biggest transfer ever, dont be silly, its a bollocks price made up by Tottenham to scare off people in January. They have now said he does have a price, which wont be that one. There are other strikers on the market, not all the interest will be focused on Berbatov, Madrid dont pay those fees for older players anymore and Chelsea will be after Eto'o in my opinion.

Inflated markets, but hes not quite Zidane or Figo, and Tottenham arent quite Juventus or Barcelona.
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I remember similar threads appearing at this time last year - and with similar justifications advanced too. Just sayin'.