Why we won't spend big on a striker this year

Younited.7 · 8th May 2008, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilish

Where have I said that we dont need a striker?

First of all we have yet to see whether or not we did launched a bid for Benzema. We know that SAF rated him highly and considered him as a special talent (read my previous post) but till that time Benzema had came out saying that he wouldnt want to play for us. So I dont know whether or not we are still interested in him.

Secondly I dont know why the concept of 'sitting on the bench and wait for his chance' seems equivalent to you as 'being a shite player'. Just because a player had been brought to give us options, that doesnt mean that he is shite. Ole and Teddy where brought exactly for that role, both players didnt cost us 20m and both did exceptionally well.

To conclude let us study our situation. We currently have two world class strikers who had scored around 40 goals between them pushing us two games away from a historical golden double. What we lack is quality strength in depth in a role that would have been adequatly covered by Saha (hardly a 20m rated world class player that many muppets wank for) if he wasnt so crocked. Therefore unless a truly special talent at the right age and with the right attitude comes in our path then I cant see why we should spend 20m on a third striker whose role (pls read it well) will be that of sitting on the bench, waiting for his chance, and stepping in to change our team's dimension whenever needed. FFS we havent yet bought one of our world class strikers (estimated to cost us between 15 and 20m) how can we dream of bringing in another 20m striker?

You are fucking dong it again, why the quotations marks? Your building straw man arguments, its unbelievable, where did i say "being a shite player". Nobody has said they are going to be shite, nobody, we are disputing whether the player coming in will be brought in for a starting role in rotation with Rooney and Tevez or not (as you seem to think).

And i never said that you said we dont need a striker, stop misinterpreting.

Options? Its not all about options, if we wanted options we would get Peter Crouch up front, its about quality and contribution, Manucho gives us "options". Is it not blatantly clear from the names being banded about that Fergie wants quality?

Where the fuck are you going to find one of those?

How many "truly special talents" will want to play second fiddle in sunny Manchester? Big talents come for the football, not a view from the bench.

There are so many games in a season, of course there is room for more quality...

3 games a week for most of the season, 38 league games, potentially 13 Champions league games, The FA Cup, Carling Cup and possibly the World Club Championship in the space of 10 months.

Why spend 10 million on a good striker who is never going to be the best (which is minimum requirment for us), then spend more in a few years time when a "truly special talent" comes along. We wont win European cups with that attitude, we will miss the gravy train by not capitalising on our success. Other people are spending big, we cannot just sit still and wait and why not spend the little extra now, let them gel, then spend a bit less in the future. Hence the staggered fees. On top of this; we are Man Utd, we need the best of the best in every position, this is true for all the top clubs who have ambitions to win the Champions League and more, we dont have a centre forward, success or not this season; we still need a very very very good one and i cant see us stealing one for under 15 million. If the money is there, and we can sell some expendable players why not stump up the money to get one of the best (available) strikers around. Berbatov is absolutely fucking class, we could not go wrong with him. Benzema the other option (in the same class) but he does not want to come to us, Berbatov does and he is available.

lets be realistic actually we are Man Utd, and nobody is going to sell a half decent striker to us for that much. The game has changed and not so big players still command big fees, especially if it is us or Chelsea. There is not going to be a massive difference in price if we are in the market for a striker.

Anyways...

Football isnt like this anymore, 3 top quality strikers for a serious attacking outfit is the requirment. We dont want to be playing 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 every week to accomodate the fact we are short in the striking department, and we are. Ronaldo's goals have carried us in many ways, but he at his best when playing out wide and running at fullbacks, cutting in to shoot or getting behind the defence.

Thats not even it...

The role we are looking (not your bizarre sub theory) for; is somebody to directly replace Saha, if he goes. He may not have been playing much this season, he has been injured, so we have been stretched at times. If he had been fit; then he certainly would have played more, he was preferred to Tevez on a few occasions, and despite being injured for a massive amount he has still racked up 24 appearances. 14 as sub, 10 as not by the way. Im not relaying everything i have said before otherwise this will become a war of attrition, and you will tire me out with your persistancy.

40 goals between our strikeforce is actually not that great of a return rate from our strikers (minus Saha) considering Cole and Yorke got 53 between them, not including Ole's 18 and Teddy Sheringham who wasnt far behind. We need somebody else scoring 20 or more goals a season, Ronaldo no matter how good he is; cannot be expected to knock another 40 from out wide. If he does: then it should be in addition to our strikers scoring lots of goals in a treble winning, or record breaking season. We always aim to be the best, no more Djemba-Djemba's or Klebersons or Forlans that need time to gel, we need something with an instant impact or somebody so talented that it is worth waiting for (Ronaldo).

What are we yet to see?

Man Utd fail with £22M bid for Lyon's Benzema

It is obvious that he has tried, or is trying to sign him:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/180220...nzema-bid.html

In which i will quote:

"It is an area we tried to strengthen last summer and I don't think that's left us"

and...

"I have big hopes for Danny Welbeck and he's progressing well but he's young. And we have Frazier Campbell coming back who has done well at Hull, but he's young as well."

Which implies he is not in the game of waiting for players to develop and fulfill potential.

He explicitly says that he is looking for a striker. By trying to sign Benzema; he is not looking for depth, he is looking for options. If it was depth Fergie was after then why not Manucho, Campbell and Wellbeck?

So dont shy away from points by saying "We are yet to see" and sitting on the fence avoiding the facts.

You have repeatedly used the term muppet, throughout this thread, calling intelligible people who are discussing the issues at hand and listening to eachother. How ironic is it that you have been the most everpresent in the thread, yet label other people with the tag of "transfer muppet".

You are the transfer muppet my friend, you have continually spouted illogical nonsense.

Younited.7 · 8th May 2008, 20:57

Ramos prepares for Berbatov exit

Berbatov could be ready to turn his back on Spurs

Tottenham manager Juande Ramos has admitted he is already making preparations for the possible departure of star striker Dimitar Berbatov.

Ramos wants to keep the 28-year-old at White Hart Lane but revealed he could leave if Spurs's asking price is met and the player wants to move.

"I've spoken to him many times and know exactly what he wants," Ramos said.

"We have to cover our backs in case the player decides to leave and we have to have options to replace him."

The Bulgarian has been linked with a host of clubs, including Manchester United, Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Ramos added: "I would obviously like him to stay here but we don't know how future negotiations will go so it is something I cannot guarantee.

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I know he is a brilliant player, but let's just move on

3 Euro Trophies to 2

"If there are offers coming in we will see if they convince the club and the player as well.

"What we want is for the player to be happy and enjoy his football. The player has the key to this and it is up to him at the end of the day.

"If that happened I'm sure the club would prefer to have the money because with the money they would be able to sign the players necessary.

"They would be able to look on the market for appropriate players."

Ramos believes it will be possible to replace Berbatov if he leaves, adding: "Of course there are great players in Europe that can do just as well as Berbatov."

Berbatov, who has netted 23 goals this season, joined Tottenham from Bayer Leverkusen for £10.9m in the summer of 2006.

Of course there are great players in Europe that can do just as well as Berbatov

Juande Ramos

He has recovered from a groin injury and is available to play against Liverpool on Sunday, which could be a farewell appearance if an appropriate bid is tabled over the summer.

With Berbatov keen on Champions League football, Spurs have looked at other strikers in case he leaves.

Barcelona's Samuel Eto'o has been linked with a move to White Hart Lane and the Catalan giants have suggested they would study any bid made for the Cameroon forward.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...**/7369321.stm

Ceks · 8th May 2008, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by united.7

You are fucking dong it again, why the quotations marks? Your building straw man arguments, its unbelievable, where did i say "being a shite player". Nobody has said they are going to be shite, nobody, we are disputing whether the player coming in will be brought in for a starting role in rotation with Rooney and Tevez or not (as you seem to think).

And i never said that you said we dont need a striker, stop misinterpreting.

Options? Its not all about options, if we wanted options we would get Peter Crouch up front, its about quality and contribution, Manucho gives us "options". Is it not blatantly clear from the names being banded about that Fergie wants quality?

Where the fuck are you going to find one of those?

How many "truly special talents" will want to play second fiddle in sunny Manchester? Big talents come for the football, not a view from the bench.

There are so many games in a season, of course there is room for more quality...

3 games a week for most of the season, 38 league games, potentially 13 Champions league games, The FA Cup, Carling Cup and possibly the World Club Championship in the space of 10 months.

Why spend 10 million on a good striker who is never going to be the best (which is minimum requirment for us), then spend more in a few years time when a "truly special talent" comes along. We wont win European cups with that attitude, we will miss the gravy train by not capitalising on our success. Other people are spending big, we cannot just sit still and wait and why not spend the little extra now, let them gel, then spend a bit less in the future. Hence the staggered fees. On top of this; we are Man Utd, we need the best of the best in every position, this is true for all the top clubs who have ambitions to win the Champions League and more, we dont have a centre forward, success or not this season; we still need a very very very good one and i cant see us stealing one for under 15 million. If the money is there, and we can sell some expendable players why not stump up the money to get one of the best (available) strikers around. Berbatov is absolutely fucking class, we could not go wrong with him. Benzema the other option (in the same class) but he does not want to come to us, Berbatov does and he is available.

lets be realistic actually we are Man Utd, and nobody is going to sell a half decent striker to us for that much. The game has changed and not so big players still command big fees, especially if it is us or Chelsea. There is not going to be a massive difference in price if we are in the market for a striker.

Anyways...

Football isnt like this anymore, 3 top quality strikers for a serious attacking outfit is the requirment. We dont want to be playing 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 every week to accomodate the fact we are short in the striking department, and we are. Ronaldo's goals have carried us in many ways, but he at his best when playing out wide and running at fullbacks, cutting in to shoot or getting behind the defence.

Thats not even it...

The role we are looking (not your bizarre sub theory) for; is somebody to directly replace Saha, if he goes. He may not have been playing much this season, he has been injured, so we have been stretched at times. If he had been fit; then he certainly would have played more, he was preferred to Tevez on a few occasions, and despite being injured for a massive amount he has still racked up 24 appearances. 14 as sub, 10 as not by the way. Im not relaying everything i have said before otherwise this will become a war of attrition, and you will tire me out with your persistancy.

40 goals between our strikeforce is actually not that great of a return rate from our strikers (minus Saha) considering Cole and Yorke got 53 between them, not including Ole's 18 and Teddy Sheringham who wasnt far behind. We need somebody else scoring 20 or more goals a season, Ronaldo no matter how good he is; cannot be expected to knock another 40 from out wide. If he does: then it should be in addition to our strikers scoring lots of goals in a treble winning, or record breaking season. We always aim to be the best, no more Djemba-Djemba's or Klebersons or Forlans that need time to gel, we need something with an instant impact or somebody so talented that it is worth waiting for (Ronaldo).

What are we yet to see?

Man Utd fail with £22M bid for Lyon's Benzema

It is obvious that he has tried, or is trying to sign him:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/180220...nzema-bid.html

In which i will quote:

"It is an area we tried to strengthen last summer and I don't think that's left us"

and...

"I have big hopes for Danny Welbeck and he's progressing well but he's young. And we have Frazier Campbell coming back who has done well at Hull, but he's young as well."

Which implies he is not in the game of waiting for players to develop and fulfill potential.

He explicitly says that he is looking for a striker. By trying to sign Benzema; he is not looking for depth, he is looking for options. If it was depth Fergie was after then why not Manucho, Campbell and Wellbeck?

So dont shy away from points by saying "We are yet to see" and sitting on the fence avoiding the facts.

You have repeatedly used the term muppet, throughout this thread, calling intelligible people who are discussing the issues at hand and listening to eachother. How ironic is it that you have been the most everpresent in the thread, yet label other people with the tag of "transfer muppet".

You are the transfer muppet my friend, you have continually spouted illogical nonsense.

All of you 'anti-Berbatov' folks should read this post. Let it be a lesson to you all. Im sick of this being regarded as "muppetry".

Devilish, you've been made to look a complete fool here. Im suprised somebody with such a high post count, would persist in spouting weak,illogical bullshit; just in order to retain your stance in this debate.

I really don't want to here any more about this topic.

I just hope Berbatov is signed in the summer, just so I can bring up this thread and shove this at of you prats who have labelled this as "muppetry".

Younited.7 · 8th May 2008, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by cekscrayons

All of you 'anti-Berbatov' folks should read this post. Let it be a lesson to you all. Im sick of this being regarded as "muppetry".

Devilish, you've been made to look a complete fool here. Im suprised somebody with such a high post count, would persist in spouting weak,illogical bullshit; just in order to retain your stance in this debate.

I really don't want to here any more about this topic.

I just hope Berbatov is signed in the summer, just so I can bring up this thread and shove it in all of you prats who have labelled this as "muppetry".

woop woop

talking robot · 8th May 2008, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by united.7

You are fucking dong it again, why the quotations marks? Your building straw man arguments, its unbelievable, where did i say "being a shite player". Nobody has said they are going to be shite, nobody, we are disputing whether the player coming in will be brought in for a starting role in rotation with Rooney and Tevez or not (as you seem to think).

And i never said that you said we dont need a striker, stop misinterpreting.

Options? Its not all about options, if we wanted options we would get Peter Crouch up front, its about quality and contribution, Manucho gives us "options". Is it not blatantly clear from the names being banded about that Fergie wants quality?

Where the fuck are you going to find one of those?

How many "truly special talents" will want to play second fiddle in sunny Manchester? Big talents come for the football, not a view from the bench.

There are so many games in a season, of course there is room for more quality...

3 games a week for most of the season, 38 league games, potentially 13 Champions league games, The FA Cup, Carling Cup and possibly the World Club Championship in the space of 10 months.

Why spend 10 million on a good striker who is never going to be the best (which is minimum requirment for us), then spend more in a few years time when a "truly special talent" comes along. We wont win European cups with that attitude, we will miss the gravy train by not capitalising on our success. Other people are spending big, we cannot just sit still and wait and why not spend the little extra now, let them gel, then spend a bit less in the future. Hence the staggered fees. On top of this; we are Man Utd, we need the best of the best in every position, this is true for all the top clubs who have ambitions to win the Champions League and more, we dont have a centre forward, success or not this season; we still need a very very very good one and i cant see us stealing one for under 15 million. If the money is there, and we can sell some expendable players why not stump up the money to get one of the best (available) strikers around. Berbatov is absolutely fucking class, we could not go wrong with him. Benzema the other option (in the same class) but he does not want to come to us, Berbatov does and he is available.

lets be realistic actually we are Man Utd, and nobody is going to sell a half decent striker to us for that much. The game has changed and not so big players still command big fees, especially if it is us or Chelsea. There is not going to be a massive difference in price if we are in the market for a striker.

Anyways...

Football isnt like this anymore, 3 top quality strikers for a serious attacking outfit is the requirment. We dont want to be playing 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 every week to accomodate the fact we are short in the striking department, and we are. Ronaldo's goals have carried us in many ways, but he at his best when playing out wide and running at fullbacks, cutting in to shoot or getting behind the defence.

Thats not even it...

The role we are looking (not your bizarre sub theory) for; is somebody to directly replace Saha, if he goes. He may not have been playing much this season, he has been injured, so we have been stretched at times. If he had been fit; then he certainly would have played more, he was preferred to Tevez on a few occasions, and despite being injured for a massive amount he has still racked up 24 appearances. 14 as sub, 10 as not by the way. Im not relaying everything i have said before otherwise this will become a war of attrition, and you will tire me out with your persistancy.

40 goals between our strikeforce is actually not that great of a return rate from our strikers (minus Saha) considering Cole and Yorke got 53 between them, not including Ole's 18 and Teddy Sheringham who wasnt far behind. We need somebody else scoring 20 or more goals a season, Ronaldo no matter how good he is; cannot be expected to knock another 40 from out wide. If he does: then it should be in addition to our strikers scoring lots of goals in a treble winning, or record breaking season. We always aim to be the best, no more Djemba-Djemba's or Klebersons or Forlans that need time to gel, we need something with an instant impact or somebody so talented that it is worth waiting for (Ronaldo).

What are we yet to see?

Man Utd fail with £22M bid for Lyon's Benzema

It is obvious that he has tried, or is trying to sign him:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/180220...nzema-bid.html

In which i will quote:

"It is an area we tried to strengthen last summer and I don't think that's left us"

and...

"I have big hopes for Danny Welbeck and he's progressing well but he's young. And we have Frazier Campbell coming back who has done well at Hull, but he's young as well."

Which implies he is not in the game of waiting for players to develop and fulfill potential.

He explicitly says that he is looking for a striker. By trying to sign Benzema; he is not looking for depth, he is looking for options. If it was depth Fergie was after then why not Manucho, Campbell and Wellbeck?

So dont shy away from points by saying "We are yet to see" and sitting on the fence avoiding the facts.

You have repeatedly used the term muppet, throughout this thread, calling intelligible people who are discussing the issues at hand and listening to eachother. How ironic is it that you have been the most everpresent in the thread, yet label other people with the tag of "transfer muppet".

You are the transfer muppet my friend, you have continually spouted illogical nonsense.

actually, i think you changed my mind too. you're right that buying quality is the most important thing.

Younited.7 · 8th May 2008, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by talking robot

actually, i think you changed my mind too. you're right that buying quality is the most important thing.

Well we all worked together to find the solution

Its very surprising to see somebody change their mind on the caf, says a lot, nice one mate.

Ceks · 8th May 2008, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by talking robot

actually, i think you changed my mind too. you're right that buying quality is the most important thing.

Like united.7 said.

Nice one.

devilish · 9th May 2008, 05:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by united.7

You are fucking dong it again, why the quotations marks? Your building straw man arguments, its unbelievable, where did i say "being a shite player". Nobody has said they are going to be shite, nobody, we are disputing whether the player coming in will be brought in for a starting role in rotation with Rooney and Tevez or not (as you seem to think).

And i never said that you said we dont need a striker, stop misinterpreting.

Options? Its not all about options, if we wanted options we would get Peter Crouch up front, its about quality and contribution, Manucho gives us "options". Is it not blatantly clear from the names being banded about that Fergie wants quality?

Where the fuck are you going to find one of those?

How many "truly special talents" will want to play second fiddle in sunny Manchester? Big talents come for the football, not a view from the bench.

There are so many games in a season, of course there is room for more quality...

3 games a week for most of the season, 38 league games, potentially 13 Champions league games, The FA Cup, Carling Cup and possibly the World Club Championship in the space of 10 months.

Why spend 10 million on a good striker who is never going to be the best (which is minimum requirment for us), then spend more in a few years time when a "truly special talent" comes along. We wont win European cups with that attitude, we will miss the gravy train by not capitalising on our success. Other people are spending big, we cannot just sit still and wait and why not spend the little extra now, let them gel, then spend a bit less in the future. Hence the staggered fees. On top of this; we are Man Utd, we need the best of the best in every position, this is true for all the top clubs who have ambitions to win the Champions League and more, we dont have a centre forward, success or not this season; we still need a very very very good one and i cant see us stealing one for under 15 million. If the money is there, and we can sell some expendable players why not stump up the money to get one of the best (available) strikers around. Berbatov is absolutely fucking class, we could not go wrong with him. Benzema the other option (in the same class) but he does not want to come to us, Berbatov does and he is available.

lets be realistic actually we are Man Utd, and nobody is going to sell a half decent striker to us for that much. The game has changed and not so big players still command big fees, especially if it is us or Chelsea. There is not going to be a massive difference in price if we are in the market for a striker.

Anyways...

Football isnt like this anymore, 3 top quality strikers for a serious attacking outfit is the requirment. We dont want to be playing 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 every week to accomodate the fact we are short in the striking department, and we are. Ronaldo's goals have carried us in many ways, but he at his best when playing out wide and running at fullbacks, cutting in to shoot or getting behind the defence.

Thats not even it...

The role we are looking (not your bizarre sub theory) for; is somebody to directly replace Saha, if he goes. He may not have been playing much this season, he has been injured, so we have been stretched at times. If he had been fit; then he certainly would have played more, he was preferred to Tevez on a few occasions, and despite being injured for a massive amount he has still racked up 24 appearances. 14 as sub, 10 as not by the way. Im not relaying everything i have said before otherwise this will become a war of attrition, and you will tire me out with your persistancy.

40 goals between our strikeforce is actually not that great of a return rate from our strikers (minus Saha) considering Cole and Yorke got 53 between them, not including Ole's 18 and Teddy Sheringham who wasnt far behind. We need somebody else scoring 20 or more goals a season, Ronaldo no matter how good he is; cannot be expected to knock another 40 from out wide. If he does: then it should be in addition to our strikers scoring lots of goals in a treble winning, or record breaking season. We always aim to be the best, no more Djemba-Djemba's or Klebersons or Forlans that need time to gel, we need something with an instant impact or somebody so talented that it is worth waiting for (Ronaldo).

What are we yet to see?

Man Utd fail with £22M bid for Lyon's Benzema

It is obvious that he has tried, or is trying to sign him:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/180220...nzema-bid.html

In which i will quote:

"It is an area we tried to strengthen last summer and I don't think that's left us"

and...

"I have big hopes for Danny Welbeck and he's progressing well but he's young. And we have Frazier Campbell coming back who has done well at Hull, but he's young as well."

Which implies he is not in the game of waiting for players to develop and fulfill potential.

He explicitly says that he is looking for a striker. By trying to sign Benzema; he is not looking for depth, he is looking for options. If it was depth Fergie was after then why not Manucho, Campbell and Wellbeck?

So dont shy away from points by saying "We are yet to see" and sitting on the fence avoiding the facts.

You have repeatedly used the term muppet, throughout this thread, calling intelligible people who are discussing the issues at hand and listening to eachother. How ironic is it that you have been the most everpresent in the thread, yet label other people with the tag of "transfer muppet".

You are the transfer muppet my friend, you have continually spouted illogical nonsense.

wow thats a long post.

Ill try to read through this epic and reply you back as soon as possible. Anyway it would be pointless since I dont think that bringing in a good player = spending 25m and you dont. Anyway it will soon start that part of season that will make your day and dont worry the media will make sure to keep you on your toes. Luckily we have a manager who wouldnt spend that outrageous sums of money unless the player is truly special and he has the right attitude for the job.

devilish · 9th May 2008, 05:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by cekscrayons

All of you 'anti-Berbatov' folks should read this post. Let it be a lesson to you all. Im sick of this being regarded as "muppetry".

Devilish, you've been made to look a complete fool here. Im suprised somebody with such a high post count, would persist in spouting weak,illogical bullshit; just in order to retain your stance in this debate.

I really don't want to here any more about this topic.

I just hope Berbatov is signed in the summer, just so I can bring up this thread and shove this at of you prats who have labelled this as "muppetry".

lao · 9th May 2008, 05:57

It's funny how people in here claim that we can't have three top class forwards while a team like Barcelona has Eto'o, Henry, Messi, Giovani, Gudjohnsen, Ronaldinho and Bojan...

devilish · 9th May 2008, 06:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by lao

It's funny how people in here claim that we can't have three top class forwards while a team like Barcelona has Eto'o, Henry, Messi, Giovani, Gudjohnsen, Ronaldinho and Bojan...

Ronaldinho is played on the flanks and so do Messi while Bojan is a youth talent. We would have the same star studded forward line if we insert our wingers in it

The forward line is made up of Gudjohnsen (is he top class?), Bojan (a good youth talent), Henry and Etoo. This situation had lead Barca to play Henry out of position (you cant leave a world class player out of the team for long). Barca is not the united team they used to be. The situation is terrible and Ronaldinho and Etoo may soon leave the club. Anyway none of these players had ended up amongst the topscorers in the Liga while Barca ended trophyless and THIRD in the league with 17 points away from Real and 7 points away from mighty Villareal.

Another clear example of spending big is not equal to success.

Younited.7 · 9th May 2008, 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilish

Ronaldinho is played on the flanks and so do Messi while Bojan is a youth talent. We would have the same star studded forward line if we insert our wingers in it

The forward line is made up of Gudjohnsen (is he top class?), Bojan (a good youth talent), Henry and Etoo. This situation had lead Barca to play Henry out of position (you cant leave a world class player out of the team for long). Barca is not the united team they used to be. The situation is terrible and Ronaldinho and Etoo may soon leave the club. Anyway none of these players had ended up amongst the topscorers in the Liga while Barca ended trophyless and THIRD in the league with 17 points away from Real and 7 points away from mighty Villareal.

Another clear example of spending big is not equal to success.

Stop it, now, please, no more.

They did not spend big money on their strikeforce

Henry 16 million
Eto'o 18 million
Bojan youth squad
Gudjohnsen on free

So your point is not supported, it is not another clear example and we have already said that success does not=money. There is a positive correlation between the two, but by no means does one equal the other, that is estabilished.

Sorry but...

In one moment you are saying that they have spent tons of money and it hasnt worked (which is not true) and the next you are saying that their strikeforce is not that well equipped, you happen to conveniently mention that money doesnt equal success but avoid the point; that having an that strikeforce (Gudjohnsen (who you said wasnt top class) + Bojan) has not bought them success.

If we arent ambitious with who we buy, and continually improve (winning trophies) then we will lose players such as Ronaldo and the best of our other foreign talent.

This isnt about money, this is about quality, and as said before; why should we (Man Utd) settle for second best? Especially in such an important position; centre forward.

This is the argument; can we accomodate a top class striker in our squad/team. I have comprehensively answered this question, you have continually gone in circles arguing points that nobody is making.

Ceks · 9th May 2008, 10:03

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http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory...tegoryID= 119

You would probably label me as a liar again. But there again I can assure you that this story is true.

I wasn’t personally involved in the entire story but I have heard this story from Gary Neville himself who happens to be the biggest mate of a great friend of mine. This friend of mine takes care of the Gary Neville school in Malta and is a close friend of the English international (http://www.maltamigration.com/news/times86542.shtml ) and Gaz with the guy. He told us the aftermath of this sour experience that left SAF furious, and May kicked to the first plane to Manchester

But lets start from the beginning. It was August and Manchester United accepted the invitation of Birkirkara FC (a local club) to play a friendly against them. Birkirkara FC was owned by Mr Zammit, one of the richest guys on the island whom thanks to him he managed to turn a small Maltese side into one of the leading clubs in Malta and that was achieved by signing the best local talent available. Now for the club centenary he wanted something glamorous, and what is more glamorous than bringing the richest club in the world to Malta to play against his side? An impossible task you may think, but possible if you have the right links and the right money.

SAF had promised the Maltese a few years before that he would one day bring the entire team back to Malta, and he saw this occasion as ideal to keep his promise. Ok Birkirkara committed themselves to pay for all the expenses but from what I know Manchester United had earned nothing out of that game.

SAF knowing how much the Maltese love Manchester United brought all the players to Malta even those who were injured but could afford to miss the therapy. In fact if I remember well only Brown and Bosnich missed the trip to Malta. As usual, I was one of those who were given the task of taking care of the players, an easier job than I first thought thanks to Gary Neville’s help (man that is what I call a leader)

My limited experience with Manchester United players had thought me three things. A) They are professionals in and off the pitch. B) They are the most down to Earth ppl in the world. C) They know how to enjoy themselves, and it was the C which had put us into unneccassary trouble

The evening before the game we decided (with SAF consent) to go and enjoy the Maltese nightlife. The Nevilles and Beckham were the ‘veterans’ of this Islands and knew the right places to go without the need to consult the us. Therefore at 10 pm wearing baseball caps we (2 Maltese ‘guides’, the Nevilles, Beckham and May) were all off to Paceville, a place 10 minutes away (with a taxi) from our hotel.

At about 11am David May left the group, and it took us 2 hours to find him. We found him into another discoteque, flirting with the local girls and drunk. Gaz immediately opted to go back to the hotel and that caused an argument inside the group expecailly with Beckham who was really enjoying himself and didn’t want to end everything just because Maysie got drunk. In that argument Maysie managed to return to the dance floor, and until we could notice that, we suddenly heard a scream, and a beautiful girl turning around and slap Maysie on his face.

We ran towards Maysie and I remember Gaz asking him what was going on. Maysie told us with a smile on his face that he had touched the girls butt and that she hit him back. Yet Maysie smile was soon going to change into fear when from the right side an angry 6ft bodybuilder (+ 4 friends of his) raced angrily towards him, to break his face.

Me and Beckham moved towards the guy to calm the girls boyfriend down but it was as if trying to calm a raging bull. He started to shout at us as Gaz and co tried to move out of the scenes. Seeing that, the man got more nervous and hit Beckhams cap which felt down, exposing his face to the entire public

Luckily for us this man happened to be a Manchester United supporter and meeting Beckham face to face was enough to melt away man’s anger. He ‘forgiven’ Maysie and helped us get out from the ppl (who turned into signature predators) as long all of them gave him a signature something that seeing the situations Becks and co were more happy to give to him

We returned to the hotel as soon as we got out of the discoteque. Silence ruled as Gaz called the Gaffer to tell him the entire story (for fear that he would know it from someone else). At the hotel we fount SAF waiting in the reception. He was furious but kept himself calm in front of us, and only said that he wanted to talk with the players ASAP.

The day after May packed everything and left Malta. Official reports said that May got injured but we all knew the story.

Now let the circus begin

Found this by Devilish in the classics. Wouldn't worry about this plonker anymore united.7.

He obviously has some kind of issue.

devilish · 9th May 2008, 11:39

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Originally Posted by cekscrayons

Found this by Devilish in the classics. Wouldn't worry about this plonker anymore united.7.

He obviously has some kind of issue.

I said some things in the past that I regret but with time you get more mature. I hope that would reach that stage mate.

devilish · 9th May 2008, 11:45

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Originally Posted by united.7

Stop it, now, please, no more.

They did not spend big money on their strikeforce

Henry 16 million
Eto'o 18 million
Bojan youth squad
Gudjohnsen on free

So your point is not supported, it is not another clear example and we have already said that success does not=money. There is a positive correlation between the two, but by no means does one equal the other, that is estabilished.

Sorry but...

In one moment you are saying that they have spent tons of money and it hasnt worked (which is not true) and the next you are saying that their strikeforce is not that well equipped, you happen to conveniently mention that money doesnt equal success but avoid the point; that having an that strikeforce (Gudjohnsen (who you said wasnt top class) + Bojan) has not bought them success.

If we arent ambitious with who we buy, and continually improve (winning trophies) then we will lose players such as Ronaldo and the best of our other foreign talent.

This isnt about money, this is about quality, and as said before; why should we (Man Utd) settle for second best? Especially in such an important position; centre forward.

This is the argument; can we accomodate a top class striker in our squad/team. I have comprehensively answered this question, you have continually gone in circles arguing points that nobody is making.

Youve said it, its not about money but its about quality and having the right players at the right place. Barca has a star studded forward line which achieved absolutely nothing but problems. Etoo wants to leave, Henry doesnt feel appreceated, Ronaldinho had been in and out of the transfer market.

We may not have the 4 strikers we need but we are two games away from a historical double. That is achieved through hardwork and teamwork. What we need is to keep to those lines and bring in the right player in the right role. Now if there is a truly special talent out there with the right attitude then I wouldnt mind that we would spend 20m on him. After all that is what we did for players like Rooney and Rio. On the other hand if there isnt that type of special talent then we dont need to spend outrageous sums of money. FFS we wouldnt be talking about the need of a striker if only Saha (hardly the best striker on earth) was less injury prone.

Ceks · 9th May 2008, 11:45

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Originally Posted by devilish

I said some things in the past that I regret but with time you get more mature. I hope that would reach that stage mate.

A self confessed liar.

Well at least you are admitting to your mistakes. Which is a start, I guess.

devilish · 9th May 2008, 11:48

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Originally Posted by cekscrayons

A self confessed liar.

Well at least you are admitting to your mistakes. Which is a start, I guess.

Ive been long enough here to acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes and unlike other older posters who change their nick in a bid to hide their identity and keep their post rate low I stand to what I say. I hope that in 6 yrs time you will be here to say the same thing to the first newbie who searches in the archive for your mistakes in a bid to win an argument.

BTW believe it or not that story is true. Its a bit embelished to make it funny but the basics are true.

Chris H · 9th May 2008, 12:21

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Originally Posted by cekscrayons

A self confessed liar.

Well at least you are admitting to your mistakes. Which is a start, I guess.

Many people think Devilish is completely nuts, but there's no doubt that he adds to this forum. For you be calling him a liar after dredging up a classic post seems a bit odd. Especially since half of us think you're that Gilligan fellow, back from an extended business trip.

More football, less nonsense. Bring on Wigan.

8th May 2008, 20:57	#242 (permalink)
Younited.7 united.7 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St Evenage Posts: 2,076	Ramos prepares for Berbatov exit Berbatov could be ready to turn his back on Spurs Tottenham manager Juande Ramos has admitted he is already making preparations for the possible departure of star striker Dimitar Berbatov. Ramos wants to keep the 28-year-old at White Hart Lane but revealed he could leave if Spurs's asking price is met and the player wants to move. "I've spoken to him many times and know exactly what he wants," Ramos said. "We have to cover our backs in case the player decides to leave and we have to have options to replace him." The Bulgarian has been linked with a host of clubs, including Manchester United, Barcelona and Real Madrid. Ramos added: "I would obviously like him to stay here but we don't know how future negotiations will go so it is something I cannot guarantee. 606: DEBATE I know he is a brilliant player, but let's just move on 3 Euro Trophies to 2 "If there are offers coming in we will see if they convince the club and the player as well. "What we want is for the player to be happy and enjoy his football. The player has the key to this and it is up to him at the end of the day. "If that happened I'm sure the club would prefer to have the money because with the money they would be able to sign the players necessary. "They would be able to look on the market for appropriate players." Ramos believes it will be possible to replace Berbatov if he leaves, adding: "Of course there are great players in Europe that can do just as well as Berbatov." Berbatov, who has netted 23 goals this season, joined Tottenham from Bayer Leverkusen for £10.9m in the summer of 2006. Of course there are great players in Europe that can do just as well as Berbatov Juande Ramos He has recovered from a groin injury and is available to play against Liverpool on Sunday, which could be a farewell appearance if an appropriate bid is tabled over the summer. With Berbatov keen on Champions League football, Spurs have looked at other strikers in case he leaves. Barcelona's Samuel Eto'o has been linked with a move to White Hart Lane and the Catalan giants have suggested they would study any bid made for the Cameroon forward. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...**/7369321.stm

9th May 2008, 05:57	#250 (permalink)
lao A Real Cock Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrounded by Swedish Pussies. Posts: 2,339	It's funny how people in here claim that we can't have three top class forwards while a team like Barcelona has Eto'o, Henry, Messi, Giovani, Gudjohnsen, Ronaldinho and Bojan...

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Ceks Cekscrayons Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Arsene Wenger says he is surprised by Great Britain's gold rush at the Olympic Games. "I didn't know the English were good at swimming," said the Arsenal manager. "I have been in this country for 12 years and I haven't seen a swimming pool."