RedCafe.net Podcast – Episode #17

December 1st, 2009

Coming up on episode 17 of the RedCafe.net podcast, Steve, Dan and Dov take a look at the last two matches with Portsmouth and Turkish champions Besiktas, as Ryan Giggs reached 100 Premier League goals.

The lads will also be discussing whether the likes of Macheda, Welbeck and Gibson will ever be good enough and the likelihood of a certain Inter Milan defender being the next arrival at Old Trafford.

As well as the rest of the regular features, Dov will be looking at a terrific servant from the 90’s in his legends profile and the lads will be joined by Iain Dale from WestHamTillIDie.com with a trip to Upton Park on the horizon.

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  1. Wes Brown, cabbage of the week ?

    Dov do you ever actually watch our games ?

    Not the first time your judgement has been shown to be dodgy as fuck, did you enjoy Fletcher's goal against Everton after writing him off a few weeks ago ?

  2. Iain Dale has got to be the poshest WH fan you'll ever hear.

    Good effort all in all lads. Thanks.

  3. quethenoo says:

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    Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice View Post
    Wes Brown, cabbage of the week ?

    Dov do you ever actually watch our games ?

    Not the first time your judgement has been shown to be dodgy as fuck, did you enjoy Fletcher's goal against Everton after writing him off a few weeks ago ?
    Berbatovs footballing brain being far inferior to ibrahimovic as well? hmm dunno about that.

  4. schiavone1 says:

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    Berbatovs footballing brain being far inferior to ibrahimovic as well? hmm dunno about that.
    Ibra is better ... FACT!!!

  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by quethenoo View Post
    Berbatovs footballing brain being far inferior to ibrahimovic as well? hmm dunno about that.
    In the words of Richard Pryor, 'you just have to let some shit slide, you just have to let some shit slide.'

    Do you reckon Dov is really Frankly Vulgar in disguise ? Both Scottish. hmmm

  6. quethenoo says:

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    Ibra is better ... FACT!!!
    Well thats up for debate i agree, but the footballing brain being far superior is a wee bit harsh on berbs i reckon. I would say berbatov is one of the more intelligent players in the game.

  7. schiavone1 says:

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    Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice View Post
    Wes Brown, cabbage of the week ?

    Dov do you ever actually watch our games ?

    Not the first time your judgement has been shown to be dodgy as fuck, did you enjoy Fletcher's goal against Everton after writing him off a few weeks ago ?
    Ill choose who i like, thank you very much and Fletcher was rubbish before I said and he will never score a goal like that again and he is not world class!! Would he get into Chelseas side... NO, would he get into Barcelona's team... NO, would he get into Inter's team... NO!!

  8. quethenoo says:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice View Post
    In the words of Richard Pryor, 'you just have to let some shit slide, you just have to let some shit slide.'

    Do you reckon Dov is really Frankly Vulgar in disguise ? Both Scottish. hmmm
    I reckon dov is mr shiavone above. Hey lets not tarnish all scots wi the same brush

  9. quethenoo says:

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    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    Ill choose who i like, thank you very much and Fletcher was rubbish before I said and he will never score a goal like that again and he is not world class!! Would he get into Chelseas side... NO, would he get into Barcelona's team... NO, would he get into Inter's team... NO!!
    Well if thats the case i fear for the rest of our midfield, as fletcher is clearly our most consistent performer.

  10. schiavone1 says:

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    Well if thats the case i fear for the rest of our midfield, as fletcher is clearly our most consistent performer.
    I agree, we have a weak midfield. Maybe Hargo will go someway to strengthening it but I would advocate some investment in a top class midfielder

  11. Brwned says:

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    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    Ill choose who i like, thank you very much and Fletcher was rubbish before I said and he will never score a goal like that again and he is not world class!! Would he get into Chelseas side... NO, would he get into Barcelona's team... NO, would he get into Inter's team... NO!!
    Rubbish? Get a grip.

    He's been one of the most consistently impressive players in our team since the start of last season. Actually, scratch that, he's been the most consistently impressive.

    He's had a very strong all round game for a while now, but this season he's stepped up his attacking input as well - more goals, much better creative passing and more snap to his typical passes to keep the tempo high.

    He's been playing better than Ballack for well over a year. Busquets is getting plenty of games for Barca, is he really better than Fletcher? Not yet.

  12. schiavone1 says:

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    Rubbish? Get a grip.

    He's been one of the most consistently impressive players in our team since the start of last season. Actually, scratch that, he's been the most consistently impressive.

    He's had a very strong all round game for a while now, but this season he's stepped up his attacking input as well - more goals, much better creative passing and more snap to his typical passes to keep the tempo high.

    He's been playing better than Ballack for well over a year. Busquets is getting plenty of games for Barca, is he really better than Fletcher? Not yet.
    Darren Fletcher is a good centre mid... nothing more

  13. Nani Nana says:

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    Originally Posted by Brwned View Post
    He's been playing better than Ballack for well over a year. Busquets is getting plenty of games for Barca, is he really better than Fletcher? Not yet.

    I think that has much to do with Barça looking to blend in some Cantera youngsters in the first team and should rather be likened to Welbeck for instance, getting games ahead of Park or Owen in their respective positions albeit arguably still inferior to them.

    I also do not think he'd replace Ballack at Chelsea given the confidence shown in the German by both Hiddink and Ancelotti, rewarded by some confident performances from the German over the past year.

  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    Ill choose who i like, thank you very much
    That's fair enough but if you continue to pick out players who are playing well as 'cabbage of the week' prepare to come across as a bit of an idiot to people who actually watch the game.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post

    and Fletcher was rubbish before I said and he will never score a goal like that again and he is not world class!! Would he get into Chelseas side... NO, would he get into Barcelona's team... NO, would he get into Inter's team... NO!!
    He might not be world class, he's probably in the tier just below that but he makes world class players look very ordinary when he plays against them. That was a world class goal against Everton though.

  15. quethenoo says:

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    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    I agree, we have a weak midfield. Maybe Hargo will go someway to strengthening it but I would advocate some investment in a top class midfielder
    Well i was inferring that it isnt necessarilly the case but yes i wouldnt necessarilly be against signing a so called "world class mid" but it seems to me like SAF is gonna wait and see if nani/obertan/hargreaves/gibson etc step up and stake a claim. I think we will know a lot more about the state of our mid for the next few years by the end of the season, but i cant see us signing anyone apart from Adem Liajic (or however you spell it) till then.

  16. Brwned says:

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    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    Darren Fletcher is a good centre mid... nothing more
    He's well on his way to being something more.

    He's out performed at least one midfielder from each of our rivals starting team over the past year.

    If that's not good enough for you then you need your head screwed on.

  17. Brwned says:

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    Originally Posted by Nani Nana View Post
    I think that has much to do with Barça looking to blend in some Cantera youngsters in the first team and should rather be likened to Welbeck for instance, getting games ahead of Park or Owen in their respective positions albeit arguably still inferior to them.

    I also do not think he'd replace Ballack at Chelsea given the confidence shown in the German by both Hiddink and Ancelotti, rewarded by some confident performances from the German over the past year.
    Trying to stick players in other teams doesn't work - each player's there because he fits a specific role that's been defined as necessary according to the teams tactics and original set of personnel.

    The players are there because they fit, chances are they won't fit in other teams quite as well. Makes more sense to compare their performances for their respective teams - and Fletcher measures up quite well I'd say.

  18. schiavone1 says:

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    Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice View Post
    That's fair enough but if you continue to pick out players who are playing well as 'cabbage of the week' prepare to come across as a bit of an idiot to people who actually watch the game.
    He and Vidic were not on the same wavelength and I thought he was indecisive. Who would be your cabbage then??

    [/QUOTE]He might not be world class, he's probably in the tier just below that but he makes world class players look very ordinary when he plays against them. That was a world class goal against Everton though.[/QUOTE]

    He has stepped up, which if you listen to previous podcasts, I have acknowledged. But for ability he is not the quality I demand at United

  19. Pogue Mahone says:

    I'd love to know how the fuck we managed to win two league titles on the trot (including a CL winning season) when our most consistent performed in central midfield was "not United quality"?

  20. schiavone1 says:

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    I'd love to know how the fuck we managed to win two league titles on the trot (including a CL winning season) when our most consistent performed in central midfield was "not United quality"?
    Sorry I do apologise ... Fletcher won us the Champions League and the League on his own

  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    He and Vidic were not on the same wavelength and I thought he was indecisive. Who would be your cabbage then??
    Neville.

    Brown was one of our best players against Besiktas, he was voted second in our MotM thread here on Redcafe. None of our defenders shone aganst Pompey but there's no doubt about it Wes Brown is doing a good job at the moment filling in for Rio.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    He has stepped up, which if you listen to previous podcasts, I have acknowledged. But for ability he is not the quality I demand at United
    I've listened to every podcast so far so I'm well aware of your previous. Your last sentence is laughable and sums up what I've been saying.

  22. schiavone1 says:

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    Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice View Post
    Neville.

    Brown was one of our best players against Besiktas, he was voted second in our MotM thread here on Redcafe. None of our defenders shone aganst Pompey but there's no doubt about it Wes Brown is doing a good job at the moment filling in for Rio.



    I've listened to every podcast so far so I'm well aware of your previous. Your last sentence is laughable and sums up what I've been saying.

    Browns performance against Portsmouth was the reason I gave him such an award.

    Dont you want players of high quality at United?? would you be happy having Luke Chadwick back, he works hard too??

  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post
    Browns performance against Portsmouth was the reason I gave him such an award.
    Oh that's right, you mentioned something about falling asleep in the Besiktas game.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by schiavone1 View Post

    Dont you want players of high quality at United?
    We've got them.

    What I wouldn't be happy with is spunking 50/60 million on a player in what is an inflated transfer market. A player who has the same chance of getting injured as any other.

    There's enough quality in that United squad to win the lot this season.

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