Not going to repeat the comments I made in the Busby mantra thread, but surely unless we start playing good football, any dreams there are of big trophies are very unrealistic? no one is saying we need to be as extreme as say City in the beauty of our football but at the same time, you can't have as many unstructured, chaotic random performances like we have and expect to be rivalling the best clubs in the world. No matter how much money you throw at the situation, until you have a proper vision for how to play the game, for how you want those 11 players on the pitch (as well as the squad, academy) to play, they're going to go out on the pitch and play like strangers.. First thing you have to look at is, well what is the most successful modern formation at the moment, which formation is the one which most teams use.. and it still tends to be a 4-3-3, but even if you say chose a diamond or a 3-5-2, the bottom line is that there seems to be a huge emphasis placed by the top sides in controlling the midfield battle and being proactive on the ball, playing out from the back and lots of nimble possession play and pressing pretty high. That seems to be a common theme amongst the top sides, so why are we not following this formula to success.. why are we playing like the English national team from the 00's, when the rest of the major clubs seem to have taken Barca/Bayern/Dortmund template from 06-14 and added their own twists to it. We are playing football that is tactically more prehistoric than anything we played in 2008. We look out-dated. Simple eye-test tells you, we don't play good football.. we make bad decisions on the ball constantly, we kick it long, our build play is too slow and laboured, we have a big lump up front when the likes of Barca, Napoli, City have more nimble strikers and even sides like PSG/Spurs have very multi-dimensional target men up top, mobile number 9's who can drift across the pitch. What bemuses me, is people saying well we have Jose.. he's a winner! well, Jose at his best had a proper system and usually was ace at picking players who fitted that system but as he has aged.. the system remains in his head, but his ability to execute it and his choice of players for that system is not as sharp as it used to be. So we are suffering a double-whammy, slightly out-dated tactical system but it is being implemented really badly and it shows on the pitch. We have more bad performances than we do good.. we are regularly outdone tactically and it is only the superior individual quality we have at our disposal and the fact other teams have their own defensive deficiencies that we are second in the league. But it is very much a false position because playing wise, to the naked eye we look very far from a title winning side or a great challenging side. Final bone of contention is, without playing well to the naked eye.. regardless of whether you prefer a more counter-attacking style (say Leicester from a few years back) or a more proactive style, if you can see that whatever it is, it isn't clicking fluidly and the team constantly looks out of sorts. Surely that is an issue to worry about, because no side wins major titles by being disjointed? getting a cohesive side out on the pitch week in week out needs to be the first step and United have totally failed carry out their duty in this regard. It has been years since we have seen United, regularly play an identifiable and outstanding brand of football. Until that happens, we have no big major success in our near future.